D16Jon

what kind of e.t should i expect out of a n/a a6 with around 170whp with drag radials in a crx si

Fobtions

hmm 170hp isnt that alot for a n/a d16??? just wondering.

civickiller

yeah doubt u have 170whp na

Charlie Moua

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civickiller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah doubt u have 170whp na</TD></TR></TABLE>


STF up and help the kid out. How the hell did you post even help or answer his question?

well a 170whp na d16a6 is very unlikly going to be a daily driven car and certainly not streetable with seeing that it will have some crazy cams and a mean *** lumpy idle.

170whp with about 120tq should yeild you a 13sec pass if your in a super light CRX and you have your suspension down.

xci_ed6

I want to know what is in your 170whp A6.

-Dustin

Charlie Moua

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by krustindumm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to know what is in your 170whp A6.

-Dustin</TD></TR></TABLE>

he did not say he had one...... he just want to know what he can expect from this sort of setup.

you'll get
1) some respect from others
2) a very fast D16
3) a bigggg empty pocket
4) some may laugh at you for not getting a Bseries and building that
5) self satifaction that your somwhat different and when with the D16a6
6) at least into the 13s
7) a non streetable car

civickiller

we can clear it up, do you have a a6 with 170whp or do you want a a6 with 170whp ?

if u manage it, it wont be streetable, gotta run race gas. dont even mess with drag radials, go straight for slicks

D16Jon

to answer your question no i do not have one, im just trying to figure out if its worth it to go all motor or go to the dark side

Charlie Moua

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well it can be worth it if you are dedicated to it and are building it for the right reasons. Even a fully built D16a6 making 170whp with 125tq will instantly get dusted but a STOCK ls with a 45shot, a STOCK d15 motor boosting 8lbs, a GSR with h-i-e-cam. If you want to be different, learn a few things and break a few part while your learing building a D16a6 all motor will be fun and a learing experience. The real big boys will be running B16 to B18 vtec all motor. Even a all motor 250whp 150tq B seires has a hard time holding its ground with a STOCK LS boosting 7-8lbs (which only cost 1/4th of what the built NA motor)

I respect you for looking at all your options before ventureing out and doing a swap. If I personally ever say a daily driven D16a6 that made 140whp I would definatly give that car owner my respect.

fully built d16a6 will cost you about $4,000 to build. Then to make it fast in any civic/crx you'll have to spend another $2,000 on suspension, slicks, 13rims, LSD, clutch ect. Total of $6,000 or more to get you a fast as SOHC.
At they same time you could get a decent turbo kit for your STOCK motor, hondata & tunning for about $3,000 had already have a 170whp 145tq D16a6 with probably only 6-7psi

you choose the way. I'm a fan of both. BTW I was going to build my D16a6 a while back too.

PBrex

This is a little off topic, but I've been told that a D16A6 with a nice turbo set up can generate 250-300hp. This is also with new guts and some machine work? is this possible?

Reason I ask is that that's the setup I'm planning on in the spring. Just wondering if it's worth it or if I should be looking at another motor, cause it also has to be streetable

Charlie Moua

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PBrex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is a little off topic, but I've been told that a D16A6 with a nice turbo set up can generate 250-300hp. This is also with new guts and some machine work? is this possible?
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yup very TRUE. Streetable yes. It would need to be fully built and sleeved, which means yes you need machine work. 300whp turbo on a 1.6 sohc would take about atleast 25psi on a t3t4... I think

marcin

it all depends on how you build it and how much you want to spend.
engine menagement, block build, head, turbo choice, boost level, and many other factors play a role in how much power you will make. 250-300 is not unreasonable, you will have to spend some cash though.


d16jon. my $.02
it depends on your goals, but the 170 whp mark is not imposible by any means. a guy named builthatch had 162 to the wheels with a .020 over y8 block with shaved head and zc pistons+BIG cam min you he was at like 13:1+, but depending on how much you are willing to spend it could be streetable. Yes you have a a6 which doesnt have vtec so idle is something to consider, but a minor hump to work with.
In my opinoin a sleeved 78-79mm a6 with head work, including enlarged chambers, 12:1 ish(still totaly streetable) compression, the right cam, header and intake mani, along with good tuning, should get you there no problem. THIS WILL COST SOME CASH THOUGH. so there is your choice. I can honestly say that building a sohc on motor alone is a challange, the formula is not totaly written like with the DOHC side, but hey, if its what your looking for... keep an eye out on exospeeds build and get a feel for some of the aspects of what it takes. also, if your goal was around 150whp ish, the build may get much more simple than you think.

btw: my set up is a 89hatch dx with a z6 motor with zc pistons, head work, cam and a lot of extras. i should have it started within a day or two hopefully and start breaking it in soon.

jung4g

Ok, we all know that'd be quite a build to get 170 whp NA from a streetable D16a6. But from my experience, I had a buddy running a t3/t4 at 16.5 psi with hondata on slicks, and I believe he dynoed at 221 hp, stock internal d16a6 (yes with proper tuning it is possible) I don't remember his time slip, but i know it was around 12s, maybe like 11.9 at best, no issues at all, never blew it, but streetability is questionable, lower the psi to around 8 and you'll have closer to 170 whp, and more drivability.

here's his motor -

going turbo is easier, and when you blow up your stock motor, you probably didn't ruin your expensive turbo kit, and thus can toss in a new motor and do it again. Unlike NA where if you blow it up, you're screwed, except for some random pieces and bolt ons.

Jung

Charlie Moua

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jung4g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, we all know that'd be quite a build to get 170 whp NA from a streetable D16a6. But from my experience, I had a buddy running a t3/t4 at 16.5 psi with hondata on slicks, and I believe he dynoed at 221 hp, stock internal d16a6 (yes with proper tuning it is possible) I don't remember his time slip, but i know it was around 12s, maybe like 11.9 at best, no issues at all, never blew it, but streetability is questionable, lower the psi to around 8 and you'll have closer to 170 whp, and more drivability.

here's his motor -

going turbo is easier, and when you blow up your stock motor, you probably didn't ruin your expensive turbo kit, and thus can toss in a new motor and do it again. Unlike NA where if you blow it up, you're screwed, except for some random pieces and bolt ons.

Jung</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah thats Seths setup. His best time was only 13's and that 221 was on race gas and like 14psi.... very dangerouse. He makes full spool at 4500rpm in that t3t4... not very streetable and useable street power if you ask me but when it reaches full spool.... WATCHOUT!

If you want more info about how to build one up just IM me we can talk. Its not hard to do, most people can tell you how to build it to. I've spoken with Wil of Exospeed and he's the D-series MAN! Wil rocks and is super helpful with answering any questions that you may have.

check out exospeed.com, also work with RSmachines

2XS

not sure in a d, but my old b with 171hp ran 13.6, not striped out at all, but on slicks

D16Jon

well i guess my goal really is to have a mid 13 second daily driver... the only reason i was bringing up n/a was because i can slowly add more parts when i have the money (im poor), but with a turbo its all the money up front....thanks for the responses

xci_ed6

mid 13s w/ a turbo will be easy. And you can do the slowly add parts thing, start w/ engine management, then internals, then the kit. It goes about $1k at a time, but it will work.

Most importantly, remember to not cheap out on engine management!!!

-Dustin