ceLtic

http://crx.honda-perf.org/foru...=4646

i will quote here:

"I posted a while ago about a mini me a friend of mine was building for another friend. He used an A6 bottom end, stock bore with PM7 pistons (ZC) and Y8 head (.030 milled). Is it turned out to be, he ended up with 14.7:1 compression ratio. I was there the day we got it started and the thing sounded like the pistons had hit a wall as the engine started. it settled to a nice idle, but everytime we started it, we would get horrible detonation.
So they got a thicker head gasket that brought the CR to 12.5:1.

Yesterday I got a message telling me that engine put down 148 wheel horse power and 125 lb/ft of torque on a Mustang dyno, on heavy as hell 17" wheels. No tuning none yet, and the car still has the stock exhaust manifold, stock cams, stock just about everything.

I know the D series has a lot of potential and that little engine proved it. More power than a stock B16 and more torque. I will be getting the dyno printout and will post it here."

ceLtic

i guess im going out to a honda dealership and purchasing some PM7 integra pistons soon

1point5CRX

13 sec potential with some work, nice numbers

ceLtic

do you think low 13's high 12's with slicks? and since its going all motor, wouldnt it be "safer" to get new bearings and some forged rods? i mean....a rod went through my d15 at 130mph and it wasnt even boosted.

89dxhunchback

How in the hell did you get a D15 to do 130mph ??
148whp on a mustang dyno is damn sick for a high compression D16 !!!

89dxhunchback

My friend just sold a D16 with teg pistons&rods, hard core decked head, 5 angle valve job, ported, crane cams N/A cam, and light weight pulley. It was all hot tanked and rebuilt. He sold it for $300 !!! If I didn;t have a turbo civic already I would have bought it just to sick in an ole beater !!!

Cool thing is that I'm good friends with the dude that bought it, and its going into a HF CRX !! Hope it doesn't beat my civic ( hehe, what ever )..

sporkcrx

Good god, just imagine that thing with a cam to match it. It could gain like 15+ hp with a good matched one!

rice_classic

Wow, that's great.

Now where's the dyno graph to prove it?

deftones0817

ive been saying a d16a6 with a y8 head is sick. My friend had one run 13s on it.

DEF

y49crxsi

Yeah, my minime setup with just a cam, running 9.9:1 compression, i/h/e was a beast, could easily run a high 14, its just the fram it was in, teh 89 crx, as fucked up, and it would wheel hop soooo bad, so i couldnt ;launch it. But im sure if i were to put some pg7 pistons in, and get something other than a stage 1 cam, maybe a little more race, i could have dropped it to a low 14, then do dom eheadwork, and i could have run 13' all day. But now im turbo, its a little cheaper, hehe...

1fst4

http://www.tamparacing.com/for...54352


their you go

daidilus

i give you props on the SOHC configuration, but i have always wondered why people compare a "built" engine to a stock engine? if i put some bolt ons on my B16 it would make more power than stock, all i would need is some cams and a header, why compare to a b16 when you should compare it to other d-blocks?

crx_88_si

Some1 please correct me if i am wrong. But dont mustang dyno's usually read power figures a little higher then dynojet's ?

89dxhunchback

mustang dyno read lower than dyno jets.
A guy named Cal Hartline from FL maxes out the local dyno jets on torque, so he started using mustang dynos.
BTW its a V6 regal, hehe.

I wouldn't call, stock D16A1 parts in a D16A6 "built"... Only a matter of time before the B-series guys call the rain to the parade... Spend a zillion on a B-series or rods and pistons in the stock motor, sounds like and easy choice to me, plus salvage yard will praticly pay you to get a 87-89 teg outta there way, hehe.

d16X

nice #'s man now post up the dyno sheet

91' LS-VTEC

tell your freind "good job" on the build. now get a Bisi header and a nice cam.

SiZ

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How are the two things even comparable? This D series couldn't even run on pump gas, and probably won't last very long. A completley stock B16A could be beat on every single damn day and run fine for 300,000+ km..

And guy saying it doesn't count as built because its using stock parts; A person could slap an LS block and a B16 head together and put down just as good or better numbers without comprimising its ability to be daily driven.

Its fine that someone made 146hp with a D series, but to try and compare it to a B16 is just damn stupid.. Hasn't this been done about 15,000,000 times!??!

rice_classic

I agree with SiZ. Remember that this isn't a miracle motor and it's number don't even surprise me. When you're using 12.5:1 CR and you have a SOHC VTEC motor you BETTER be puttin down number like this. So basically the only difference between this motor and a b16 is this motor has 1 cam instead of 2 and it has a MUCH higher CR. But they are BOTH VTEC motors!

It's not like power is being made from a non-vtec motor.. I don't see what the big deal is.

I know.. let's give my b16 a 12.5:1 CR and see how it does shall we? I know in those posts about it on the other forums that this girls intention was to use "pump gas" but what's the highest Octane rating in Florida? I know she ain't using the pump gas in California!

I do give to this girl for her achievements OF COURSE. But for people who want to make power but don't have the knowledge of tearing down a block and replacing pistons, cranks, heads and doing valve jobs and milling jobs then a b-series is the way to go. Most people who have the abilities to do a b-swap have the same abilities to change cams and manifolds and what not.

Good job on the D-motor but let's not make this thread about a war between D and B because like SiZ said.. it's been done 15,000 times.

JOEY F.

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.. Hasn't this been done about 15,000,000 times!??!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im a diehard SOHC guy...but cmon now...there should be no comparison between it and a B-series stock motor.

Price maybe..but not performance.

89dxhunchback

It did those numbers on pump gas.
I bet the non-vtec would have further embrassed the stock B16, hehe.

rice_classic

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I bet the non-vtec would have further embrassed the stock B16, hehe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what thread are you reading?

It did it on 94 octane in Florida not the 91 octane in California.. big difference. Also, the motor couldn't run advanced at all. Also, IT WAS A SOHC VTEC motor.. not a non-vtec motor. Please, for the love of christ, pay attention when you post!

deftones0817

Why is everyone whining about it making more power then a b16a stock did? I think its awesome you did this good job tell your friend I think its cool. Everyone on here gets all negative when they see something like this out of a d series. I'm glad you can buy cams and a header and everything for your b series...i have a b18c1 and im building up and im sure i spend alot more money than that guy did. But it was my choice. I just think its cool he made that amount of power...not everyone has the money to buy a b series. Good job man! Everyone should show him props instead of fighting about it and saying its not cool.

DEF

89dxhunchback

Maybe your the one who should pay attention.... I LIVE IN FLORIDA !!! "pump gas" IS 93oct ( not 94 like you stated ).

Your defintion of "pump gas"maybe a little different, no less it was on "pump gas", he drove to a pump shell, chevron, amaco or what ever and pumped his/her car full...

Maybe, life doesn't revolve around Cali ???

Techniclly pump gas here could be 100oct.... I know of 3 different places aroud my house to buy 100oct. at the pump, problem is, its like $4.75-$5.00 a gallon...

Guess what... None of my cars have cats ( minus stupid focus, OBD2 ), none of them have EGRs, and none of them have any problems getting registered.. all that with 91oct. ?? . Move to Cali ? nah....

Although it sure is a lot cheaper to buy honda parts there, since most nice honda get stolen within a week of buying/fixing them....

infinatenexus

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How are the two things even comparable? This D series couldn't even run on pump gas, and probably won't last very long. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to rain down on your parade of ignorance, but it will run just fine on pump gas. If you are wondering how I know... I have a set up similar to that in my civic.

infinatenexus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by daidilus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i give you props on the SOHC configuration, but i have always wondered why people compare a "built" engine to a stock engine? if i put some bolt ons on my B16 it would make more power than stock, all i would need is some cams and a header, why compare to a b16 when you should compare it to other d-blocks?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ususally the cost is the comparison. Look at the cost to build a D-series with stock Honda parts vs. a B series swap. I'll take the ZC pistons, and a 59300 cam anyday to a B-16 swap.


Modified by infinatenexus at 10:33 PM 5/16/2004