Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
02-25-2013, 08:42 AM
#751
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
So tomorrow is the day! Or, things will start anyway. Maybe my help will show up o.0
So a lowdown on what's happening over the next 2 days:
- tranny swap
- new clutch/lightened flywheel
- shifter bushings and shifter install
- new end link bushings
- rear main seal replaced
--- optional: cam seal replacement
Sooooooo, we shall see!
So a lowdown on what's happening over the next 2 days:
- tranny swap
- new clutch/lightened flywheel
- shifter bushings and shifter install
- new end link bushings
- rear main seal replaced
--- optional: cam seal replacement
Sooooooo, we shall see!
02-27-2013, 01:22 PM
#755
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
Patience son!
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Everything is finished! Jelly is up and running better than ever
I'm diggin the new flywheel and shifter too
Lots of picS and comparison videos of the flywheels to come in the next day or 2. I'm pretty beat (and sore).
I didn't get to put my header on because it hadn't arrived yet, but it was on my doorstep when I got home so I think that's a job for this Sunday :D
Big update coming soon....
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Everything is finished! Jelly is up and running better than ever
I'm diggin the new flywheel and shifter too Lots of picS and comparison videos of the flywheels to come in the next day or 2. I'm pretty beat (and sore).
I didn't get to put my header on because it hadn't arrived yet, but it was on my doorstep when I got home so I think that's a job for this Sunday :D
Big update coming soon....
03-04-2013, 08:24 PM
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I'd like to add jelly's transmission sucks. Cant shift it over 3k rpm without it grinding or being VERY hard to shift. I might try and source out a trans while I'm at it. Ideally, I'd like to pulls the trans and steering rack, replace both along with the clutch all at the same time. Oh, and replace the rear main seal.
03-05-2013, 03:54 PM
#761
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
Update tymez!!!!
To start things off, heres a pic of my amp installed.
Next up, is my battery terminal. It was ghetto rigged, but I'm tryin to be less whetto so I decided to fix it
Hey, it works, alright?
Teh sexyness!
And just an artsy pic :p
Alrighty, now its time to get to the work day! What I started off with.
Andrew gettin werk dun.
Jellys is def under the knife.
Engine is supported by the lift now.
Ready to drop out.
Down she goes!
Ta daa!
I'd like to say, that this is the first time that Ive ever dropped an engine from the bottom... Andrew has done it once before. We both agreed that its WAYYYYYY easier to do it this way. Which, that makes sense since thats how it was designed to be removed
A comparision of the short shifter. More on that later...
Bushing comparison.
Andrew cleanin a lil bit
\
DANGER TO TEH MANIFOLDZZ!!!!!
Notice the bolts are sorta worn down from the spring bouncing around o.0
So yeah, thats a pretty big thing I didnt know about. I'm glad I changed the clutch.
Rear main seal time.
Holla!
Another artsy pic!
SO yeah, shes up and running, good to go! My thoughts on the short shifter...
- I purchased a dual bend shifter, as you can tell from the pic. Everybody seems to get the straight shifter so I decided to be a lil diff. Plus, I was thinking it would put the shifter a lil closer to me... And I was right! Now, granted I have long monkey arms, but I can rest my arm on the Ebrake and shift with my fingers. Its very cool. The bushing kit REALLY tightened things up, however I could only use the part that I pictured. The other bushings were too large and couldnt go in. I dunno what the deal is, but I just used my old bushing. Everything seems to be fine and dandy
In conclusion, should you buy a short shifter? Well, I say YES! If you read in the forums, it says that one will decrease the life of your transmission, as it will wear out the synchros prematurely. Eh, maybe if your Fast and the Furiousing it up all the time. For me, its perfect. My wife loves it too, says Jelly feels much more solid.
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So I installed a 9 lb flywheel. I thought long and hard, did some research and decided to go with it. I was worried about my gas mileage. I posted on a local forum and this is a link I was given.
http://www.qldstreetscene.com/forums...eel-explained/
Here is something nifty from it:
Flywheels - Lightweight vs. Heavyweight
To answer the much heated and most debated question. Should i get a light, or should i stay with stock? Let me try to explain this as easily as possible and let you decide.
Rotating mass takes energy to spin it from one RPM to another. Therefore, it takes power from the engine that could otherwise be used to accelerate the vehicle.
The significant measure of rotating mass is called the mass moment of inertia. To keep it simple, weight is bad, but weight farther from the center-of-rotation is much worse. The mass moment of inertia is measured by the mass (weight) multiplied by the distance between the weight and center of rotation squared. For instance if you had a weight of 10 pounds mass, 5 inches from the center of rotation, its' mass moment of inertia would be 10 lb x 5 in x 5 in = 250 lb in^2. That same 10 pounds only one inch from the center of rotation would only have a mass moment of inertia of 10 lb in^2 (96% less). This is why lower diameter flywheels are an issue and heavy larger wheels can have an effect.
When you were a child you may remember playing on hand pushed marry-go-rounds. Kids would stand on them and other children push to get them spinning. You may also remember that it was much harder to push when there were more kids on the marry-go-round and they stood near the edges.
Now for the stock flywheel. I am told the stock flywheel has a mass moment of inertia of 280 lb in^2 and I used this value in these calculations. Let me warn, the effect of rotating mass is not constant for RPM or road speed. In other words, the effect in 1st gear is different than second, and in any gear the effect changes with speed. This is why, if anybody quotes a given horsepower savings measured on a dyno, it is not accurate because chassis dynos DO NOT simulate accurate transients. They measure horsepower at the wheels just fine, but they can not measure the effect of a lightened flywheel, tires, or wheels. They will measure a difference, it just isn't accurate. But it is easy to calculate the difference.
From simple calculations the stock flywheel (280 lb in^2) takes 10-20 HP to spin it while accelerating in 1st gear. In second gear it takes about 5 HP. In 3rd gear it takes 2-3 HP. Therefore, if your lightweight flywheel had half the stock flywheel mass moment of inertia, you could save half the above values. To me, this would be more significant in a 1/4 mile run where the launch and 1st gear is very important. On a road course, not as important.
You might wonder why 1st gear is so much larger? The most stock engines (B or D series) spins from idle to REV LIMIT in less than 4 seconds (give or take) in 1st gear. It takes a lot of power to spin this mass to high RPM very quickly. In 4th gear, the stock flywheel takes 10-20 seconds to go from MID to REV LIMIT RPM, therefore, much less power required.
A transmission can be thought of as a fulcrum and lever in a car. First gear has a really long lever; second gear has a shorter lever, etc. The lever represents the mechanical advantage that gears give your vehicle. When your car is moving, you have two factors that are present during acceleration, one is driveline losses, which are constant and the variable, which is vehicle weight and the mechanical advantage supplied by each gear. We know that within reason, vehicle mass is a constant. Now imagine if you reduced the driveline loss from 45 to 35 with the use of a lightweight flywheel. Since the engine has less drivetrain losses to compensate for, this means the "gained" horsepower can be applied to moving the vehicle mass. Using mathematics, one can realize that the higher you go up in gears, the less effect that a lightened flywheel will have to the overall equation.
While the performance characteristics of a lightweight flywheel seem to be the perfect solution, there are compromises. Low end performance is affected. This usually means that higher revs are necessary for smooth starts due to the reduced rotational mass. For drag racers, this can be a BIG issue.
-xproductionz.com
I'm not racing it, so I havent had an issue. I'm still in the break in period so I havent dumped the clutch yet (but I will, dont worry). So, I really dont think I will have any adverse effects, relating to my gas mileage.
Now, I said I have video but my phone decided to go full homo and wont work right now... So You'll have to wait. What I've noticed:
It revs much quicker.
First gear is actually pretty fun now! Both Andrew and I are shocked at the difference.
I had worried about it being harder to drive, but... Its not o.0 I thought it was just me, so I had my wife drive it: told her to try out the short shifter. I was paying close attention to the rpm and how she was driving. When she backed out of our yard and put it into first, she revved a lil higher than normal (because it revs much faster now) and... That was it. I had her drive all around town (faking being indecisive about where to eat) when I was just watching how she drove it. She didnt notice it.
In fact, she LIKES it. She said everything feels tighter and better (I installed a short shifter and bushing kit). Now, for what its worth, my wife is extremely awesome and a good driver (the deer wasnt her fault) so maybe that has something to do with her not noticing the flywheel. I dunno. As far as gas mileage, havent checked it yet, but I will.
OH, as far as hills and stuff: No problem. I can't tell any difference in 5th gear (which matches what the article says) so..
Do I recommend a lightened flywheel? YES! I love it. You will too!
-------------------------------
Whew! big update, eh? Moar to come! I've still got to install my header and steering rack and replace some front end goodies.
Enj0y!
To start things off, heres a pic of my amp installed.
Next up, is my battery terminal. It was ghetto rigged, but I'm tryin to be less whetto so I decided to fix it
Hey, it works, alright?
Teh sexyness!
And just an artsy pic :p
Alrighty, now its time to get to the work day! What I started off with.
Andrew gettin werk dun.
Jellys is def under the knife.
Engine is supported by the lift now.
Ready to drop out.
Down she goes!
Ta daa!
I'd like to say, that this is the first time that Ive ever dropped an engine from the bottom... Andrew has done it once before. We both agreed that its WAYYYYYY easier to do it this way. Which, that makes sense since thats how it was designed to be removed
A comparision of the short shifter. More on that later...
Bushing comparison.
Andrew cleanin a lil bit
\
DANGER TO TEH MANIFOLDZZ!!!!!
Notice the bolts are sorta worn down from the spring bouncing around o.0
So yeah, thats a pretty big thing I didnt know about. I'm glad I changed the clutch.
Rear main seal time.
Holla!
Another artsy pic!
SO yeah, shes up and running, good to go! My thoughts on the short shifter...
- I purchased a dual bend shifter, as you can tell from the pic. Everybody seems to get the straight shifter so I decided to be a lil diff. Plus, I was thinking it would put the shifter a lil closer to me... And I was right! Now, granted I have long monkey arms, but I can rest my arm on the Ebrake and shift with my fingers. Its very cool. The bushing kit REALLY tightened things up, however I could only use the part that I pictured. The other bushings were too large and couldnt go in. I dunno what the deal is, but I just used my old bushing. Everything seems to be fine and dandy
In conclusion, should you buy a short shifter? Well, I say YES! If you read in the forums, it says that one will decrease the life of your transmission, as it will wear out the synchros prematurely. Eh, maybe if your Fast and the Furiousing it up all the time. For me, its perfect. My wife loves it too, says Jelly feels much more solid.
-------------------------
So I installed a 9 lb flywheel. I thought long and hard, did some research and decided to go with it. I was worried about my gas mileage. I posted on a local forum and this is a link I was given.
http://www.qldstreetscene.com/forums...eel-explained/
Here is something nifty from it:
Originally Posted by article
Flywheels - Lightweight vs. Heavyweight
To answer the much heated and most debated question. Should i get a light, or should i stay with stock? Let me try to explain this as easily as possible and let you decide.
Rotating mass takes energy to spin it from one RPM to another. Therefore, it takes power from the engine that could otherwise be used to accelerate the vehicle.
The significant measure of rotating mass is called the mass moment of inertia. To keep it simple, weight is bad, but weight farther from the center-of-rotation is much worse. The mass moment of inertia is measured by the mass (weight) multiplied by the distance between the weight and center of rotation squared. For instance if you had a weight of 10 pounds mass, 5 inches from the center of rotation, its' mass moment of inertia would be 10 lb x 5 in x 5 in = 250 lb in^2. That same 10 pounds only one inch from the center of rotation would only have a mass moment of inertia of 10 lb in^2 (96% less). This is why lower diameter flywheels are an issue and heavy larger wheels can have an effect.
When you were a child you may remember playing on hand pushed marry-go-rounds. Kids would stand on them and other children push to get them spinning. You may also remember that it was much harder to push when there were more kids on the marry-go-round and they stood near the edges.
Now for the stock flywheel. I am told the stock flywheel has a mass moment of inertia of 280 lb in^2 and I used this value in these calculations. Let me warn, the effect of rotating mass is not constant for RPM or road speed. In other words, the effect in 1st gear is different than second, and in any gear the effect changes with speed. This is why, if anybody quotes a given horsepower savings measured on a dyno, it is not accurate because chassis dynos DO NOT simulate accurate transients. They measure horsepower at the wheels just fine, but they can not measure the effect of a lightened flywheel, tires, or wheels. They will measure a difference, it just isn't accurate. But it is easy to calculate the difference.
From simple calculations the stock flywheel (280 lb in^2) takes 10-20 HP to spin it while accelerating in 1st gear. In second gear it takes about 5 HP. In 3rd gear it takes 2-3 HP. Therefore, if your lightweight flywheel had half the stock flywheel mass moment of inertia, you could save half the above values. To me, this would be more significant in a 1/4 mile run where the launch and 1st gear is very important. On a road course, not as important.
You might wonder why 1st gear is so much larger? The most stock engines (B or D series) spins from idle to REV LIMIT in less than 4 seconds (give or take) in 1st gear. It takes a lot of power to spin this mass to high RPM very quickly. In 4th gear, the stock flywheel takes 10-20 seconds to go from MID to REV LIMIT RPM, therefore, much less power required.
A transmission can be thought of as a fulcrum and lever in a car. First gear has a really long lever; second gear has a shorter lever, etc. The lever represents the mechanical advantage that gears give your vehicle. When your car is moving, you have two factors that are present during acceleration, one is driveline losses, which are constant and the variable, which is vehicle weight and the mechanical advantage supplied by each gear. We know that within reason, vehicle mass is a constant. Now imagine if you reduced the driveline loss from 45 to 35 with the use of a lightweight flywheel. Since the engine has less drivetrain losses to compensate for, this means the "gained" horsepower can be applied to moving the vehicle mass. Using mathematics, one can realize that the higher you go up in gears, the less effect that a lightened flywheel will have to the overall equation.
While the performance characteristics of a lightweight flywheel seem to be the perfect solution, there are compromises. Low end performance is affected. This usually means that higher revs are necessary for smooth starts due to the reduced rotational mass. For drag racers, this can be a BIG issue.
-xproductionz.com
Now, I said I have video but my phone decided to go full homo and wont work right now... So You'll have to wait. What I've noticed:
It revs much quicker.
First gear is actually pretty fun now! Both Andrew and I are shocked at the difference.
I had worried about it being harder to drive, but... Its not o.0 I thought it was just me, so I had my wife drive it: told her to try out the short shifter. I was paying close attention to the rpm and how she was driving. When she backed out of our yard and put it into first, she revved a lil higher than normal (because it revs much faster now) and... That was it. I had her drive all around town (faking being indecisive about where to eat) when I was just watching how she drove it. She didnt notice it.
In fact, she LIKES it. She said everything feels tighter and better (I installed a short shifter and bushing kit). Now, for what its worth, my wife is extremely awesome and a good driver (the deer wasnt her fault
) so maybe that has something to do with her not noticing the flywheel. I dunno. As far as gas mileage, havent checked it yet, but I will.OH, as far as hills and stuff: No problem. I can't tell any difference in 5th gear (which matches what the article says) so..
Do I recommend a lightened flywheel? YES! I love it. You will too!
-------------------------------
Whew! big update, eh? Moar to come! I've still got to install my header and steering rack and replace some front end goodies.
Enj0y!
Last edited by mac_24_seven; 03-05-2013 at 04:40 PM.
03-10-2013, 05:29 PM
#764
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
Thanks! Did some more work today.
I removed my 4 channel amp I had installed. It was louder, yes, but it didn't sound as good as the radio. Couldn't tune it properly. So I yanked out my stereo harness, pulled every piece of tape off and heat shrinked everything now mah tunes Sunday good again.
Also purchased a cable that SHOUD let me use the aux port so I can have my Zune hooked up. Is shipping from hong kong so it'll be a couple weeks before it gets here.
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Starting next week, I'm hitting the bodywork (again). I should have everything in order and ready to hit it hard. So expect Lots of body work updates soon!
I removed my 4 channel amp I had installed. It was louder, yes, but it didn't sound as good as the radio. Couldn't tune it properly. So I yanked out my stereo harness, pulled every piece of tape off and heat shrinked everything
now mah tunes Sunday good again.Also purchased a cable that SHOUD let me use the aux port so I can have my Zune hooked up. Is shipping from hong kong so it'll be a couple weeks before it gets here.
--------
Starting next week, I'm hitting the bodywork (again). I should have everything in order and ready to hit it hard. So expect Lots of body work updates soon!
03-12-2013, 05:19 PM
#765
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
So I picked this lil sucker up today: 1989 Crx DX, 5 speed, 121,000 miles for... $350.00!
The story goes as such:
A man named Jim owned this lil car. It burnt up a valve, so he took it to a mechanic that fixed it. He gets it home and it doesnt run right, low on power. Come to find out, the timing is off by one tooth. He was goin to fix itn, but a hurricane hit and it got water in it: not to the engine, but in the floorboards.
He sticks it on a trailer to take it back to the mechanic but decides to fix it himself.
5 years later, he sells it to me.
Feast your eyes upon the majestic Rex!
Shes a dirty gurl.
Lord help me on this interior.
Lets give her a bath!
Got the two face goin on here.
Ta freakin da!
The bad (exterior wise)
Before:
After!
Before:
After:
So, shes got a long road ahead of her. Basically, all of the brakes have to be replaced, I'm not even gonna attempt to get whats on there working. Rear disk will go in the back, new stuff (new meaning off another used civic) for the front.
The interior I'm just gonna take stock of what needs to be replaced and whatnot. The seats are junk, carpet miiight be salvageable, I dunno. Climate control prob no good, same with the cluster and ECU.
But, I'll try. ATM shes at the in laws but she'll be at my place in a couple days. Then I can start tinkering with her. Not much will go down until I finish my del sol, which if you look in my sing, you can catch up on what I've got goin on there.
I've always wanted a lil CRX. Now I have one. Gotta think up a name for her
Anyways, welcome my Rex to the HT family!
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Now, this CRX will start being worked on AFTER Jellybean is painted. So don't you worry your lil Honda heads: Jelly isnt being put on the back burner: SHE IS going to be painted
Enj0y!
The story goes as such:
A man named Jim owned this lil car. It burnt up a valve, so he took it to a mechanic that fixed it. He gets it home and it doesnt run right, low on power. Come to find out, the timing is off by one tooth. He was goin to fix itn, but a hurricane hit and it got water in it: not to the engine, but in the floorboards.
He sticks it on a trailer to take it back to the mechanic but decides to fix it himself.
5 years later, he sells it to me.
Feast your eyes upon the majestic Rex!
Shes a dirty gurl.
Lord help me on this interior.
Lets give her a bath!
Got the two face goin on here.
Ta freakin da!
The bad (exterior wise)
Before:
After!
Before:
After:
So, shes got a long road ahead of her. Basically, all of the brakes have to be replaced, I'm not even gonna attempt to get whats on there working. Rear disk will go in the back, new stuff (new meaning off another used civic) for the front.
The interior I'm just gonna take stock of what needs to be replaced and whatnot. The seats are junk, carpet miiight be salvageable, I dunno. Climate control prob no good, same with the cluster and ECU.
But, I'll try. ATM shes at the in laws but she'll be at my place in a couple days. Then I can start tinkering with her. Not much will go down until I finish my del sol, which if you look in my sing, you can catch up on what I've got goin on there.
I've always wanted a lil CRX. Now I have one. Gotta think up a name for her
Anyways, welcome my Rex to the HT family!
---------------------------------------
Now, this CRX will start being worked on AFTER Jellybean is painted. So don't you worry your lil Honda heads: Jelly isnt being put on the back burner: SHE IS going to be painted
Enj0y!
03-12-2013, 05:51 PM
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Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
Ninja edit:
Here's her build thread link
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/there-back-again-crx-tale-3131052/
03-12-2013, 08:59 PM
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wtf man?! you're always making me hate you for these stupid deals you find! and to top it off, now a crx?! you're killin me here! lol. can't wait to follow along for yet another build 
03-21-2013, 07:26 PM
#771
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
Good stuff is happening guys: I bought me a new air compressor. I've never owned one before and I'm pretty stoked about it.
What this means for jelly is: I can work on her at home now I did sme hand sanding today I'll have some updates soon!
What this means for jelly is: I can work on her at home now
I did sme hand sanding today I'll have some updates soon!
03-22-2013, 12:48 PM
#774
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
DIY: Valve cover grommet install.
If your like me. youve wondered how the heck to put those nice new grommets on when you buy a valve cover gasket kit. Well after this DIY, all the ladies will be lining up to check out your new grommets. Seriously, ladies dig sexy gold grommets!
Time: 20 mins, total (maybe)
Tools needed:
10mm ratchet/socket
Knife or other sharp object.
Some pliers (optional).
Step one: Gather parts and get ready!
Step 2: remove bolts holding valve cover on. No pic of this, but easy enough! 10mm ratchet does the trick
Step 3: Separate the washer from the grommet.
Be careful not to stab yourself...
Or cut yourself...
Now, you might have another way of doing this and thats fine, but this is what I did (obviously).
Step 4: stick new grommet on.
Now, its easier than it looks. You can either shove em on with your hand or you can use the pliers with a 12 mm socket and squeeze em on.
St3p 5: reinstall and enjoy your glorious new grommets!
Enj0y!
If your like me. youve wondered how the heck to put those nice new grommets on when you buy a valve cover gasket kit. Well after this DIY, all the ladies will be lining up to check out your new grommets. Seriously, ladies dig sexy gold grommets!
Time: 20 mins, total (maybe)
Tools needed:
10mm ratchet/socket
Knife or other sharp object.
Some pliers (optional).
Step one: Gather parts and get ready!
Step 2: remove bolts holding valve cover on. No pic of this, but easy enough! 10mm ratchet does the trick
Step 3: Separate the washer from the grommet.
Be careful not to stab yourself...
Or cut yourself...
Now, you might have another way of doing this and thats fine, but this is what I did (obviously).
Step 4: stick new grommet on.
Now, its easier than it looks. You can either shove em on with your hand or you can use the pliers with a 12 mm socket and squeeze em on.
St3p 5: reinstall and enjoy your glorious new grommets!
Enj0y!
03-22-2013, 12:57 PM
#775
Re: Welcome my $100.00 Del Sol to the H-T family!
Videos!
1st gear engaging Oem
1st gear engaging, lightened flywheel.
Rpm falling from 2k OEM
Rpm falling from 2k lightened.
Short shifting
1st gear engaging Oem
1st gear engaging, lightened flywheel.
Rpm falling from 2k OEM
Rpm falling from 2k lightened.
Short shifting
Last edited by mac_24_seven; 03-22-2013 at 01:38 PM.