Lizardslap

everyone acts like its the bane of Honda motors and its not really that bad

grumblemarc

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Yes. It is.

apexi_rsx

LMao ... really yeah ive known some civic z6 hatches beating a si before. in all reality even a b16 and LS is slow. your only talking high to low 15's on the pavement. a y7 with a z6 or y8 trans is the only thing u can do help that motor and still it is slow. most new cars are in the 200hp range or more.

Lizardslap

well I guess you just really dont like the y7 then

Ryan96GSR

I like my Y7 for fuel economy. You must have a low expectation if you think it's quick. Drive a honda motor with 170+hp and you will see what we are getting at.

Jdmjc

moral of the story here is that the y7 is indeed slow af

Lizardslap

I do have low expectations but its still 3x as fast as my last car

Swap'DShuttle

Wow look at everyone jacking this thread arguing about slow Hondas. Sweet!

97ej8_mitch

its just something to put and nice set of wheels and a good pair of coil overs and a loud sound system in and just drive it nothing more nothing less a good all around car reliable and peppy bun no not fast

DumpdEJ6

Back when I was 18 I went from a '91 Ford Festiva (65hp/68tq) to a CRX Si with a ZC swap.


That bitch felt like a Ferrari, lol!

(I know the ZC isn't a D16y7, its still a D16 though)

speedjunkie_g35

I use to smoke U-Haul trucks back in the day when I had my four door!!!

I dogged the hell out of it every chance i got as a kid. Religious on maintence. Drove New Orleans to Pensacola every week for four years and never had a problem. Great motor if fuel e conomy and reliability is what your looking for.

Syndacate

And to think....people will likely stumble on this thread via Google....with people talking about 100hp cars that weigh over 700lbs....like they're fast....and they will share it with all their car friends....and they will laugh and enjoy.....and rightfully so....and now me and many other victims are associated as Honda owners.....dammit....

jbpnoman

If any of you really think your D series motor is "oh so fast", go borrow your grandma's Panther Body. Yes, granny's Town Car is faster thank your hatch. Seriously, the D series has anywhere from 87 to 120 BHP. That's something like 70-105 to the wheels. I've driven farm tractors with more power to the wheels, that weighed just as much.

The Y7 is a slow motor. It's made for efficiency, reliability, and simplicity. The sooner some of you realize and come to terms with that, the sooner you can start recognizing cars that are actually quick.

warnerbryan7

yea the y7 is slow. its a good fuel economy daily driver but if you're planning on tuning it,
it doesnt have much potential. Dont be afraid to hit high rpm's though because they're
very reliable. i did a 10lb nos shot on stock internals and it didnt blow lol. But anyway, keep in mind that it's a single cam.

jbpnoman

10 lbs is the size of the tank, not the size of the shot

dirty19

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I think slow is a relative term.
A Y7 compared to A Z6 yes the Y is slower... agreed
Reliable,economical,simple.
If you have a commuter car then the y7 is for you.

However A Z6 on a road course in the hands of a capable driver is a nasty little beast.
I have seen some near stock hatches eat some lunches on much higher HP'd cars before.
Keep in mind these were being driven by some very good drivers.

So those who think their 170+hp'd B series cars are the cats ***... remember a good driver in the 127hp Z6 powered car can run you down and leave you wondering wtf...
This is truth.

Syndacate

It's no different than any other low compression, low flowing, economy motor.

It has plenty of potential. You can 'tune' it just fine. It's just like any other 4 cyl aluminum motor. You can squeeze the **** out of every drop it has all motor by increasing the flow and compression (with damn-near useless results), or you blow the **** out of it and the snail fixes all.

The main problem you have to overcome is the lack of torque which you can never get due to the sheer lack of displacement. Though that will always be a problem in sub 2.0L motors. Other than that it'll work just fine if you want to 'tune' it. They just don't respond well to NA bolt-ons due to their size.

The main problem is most people who want more pep don't have 2k+ to drop into a well built turbo setup to make power efficiently. They strap their coffee can to their rice rocket and pretend their 105hp economy box is fast. Or they bolt on a header, intake, exhaust, and if they're feeling really baller, an intake manifold (which often flow the same as stock) with stock engine management and start playing the addition game with their power until their *** dyno says 145 and they successfully bench race ITR's.

EDIT:
Yup.

Only thing I'd kind of disagree with (while you're very right) is that when it comes to competitive levels of road racing, 100 whp isn't going to cut it. With a capable driver it can be pretty nasty, though.

You see it all the time in autoX, though, my friend drives an 80hp EF and smokes most cars in RAW times.

You're kind of wasting your words, though, most people around here consider "good driving" to be what cars they've beat in street racing >.<.

Swap'DShuttle

Straight lines.. in a Honda. On the street. First word that comes to mind? Skill.

dirty19

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Indeed I agree 110%, street racing light to light seems to be the norm in this forum.
How anyone can consider it fast idk. Personally i find it boring and a waste of time.
The thrill is over in seconds.

doctorake

Horrible motor for performance.

Great motor for reliability/economy.

Syndacate

I mean don't get me wrong, I've done my fair share of street races when somebody's messing with you on the highway and ****, in many cars I've done that (not too often in my civic though b/c I don't like utterly embarrassing myself :-P). Though I'd never call that skill. In fact, the only way a straight line race is going to be skill, is when traction is a problem, and when you're dealing with 100hp cars, the only traction problems you may have is from a dig.......and conveniently, NOBODY WANTS TO GO FROM A DIG!

Take the most skilled part out of a drag race (getting out of the hole), remove it, pretend you're a 'good driver' when you win. 'Tis the common Honda mentality. *facepalm*

lol ^_^

Swap'DShuttle

Exactly! Lol I'll also admit to a little fun now and then, but if we aren't already going 50 mph+ on the highway, we're gonna dig. I only consider myself a decent driver in snow. Had quite a few close calls where I saved it. Had to go up a wheel chair ramp one time to miss a fire hydrant and a stop sign but left unscathed!

SDej8

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I must say there are some funny comments in here.
I drive a Y8 and it is indeed best left to go for MPG, not drag times.

Syndacate

Yeah, I have a Y8 too and I get like 38 best (36 highway avg), 25-27 around town.

Only thing I could do in like 3 runs was a 16.7 on snow tires >.<.

Could probably crack 15's stock if the motor wasn't in the worst chassis possible. My 6th gen EX is pretty much the heaviest civic, and I'm not exactly light.

Ha, yeah, I feel I'm pretty decent in the snow too, learning to drive in NY for 10+ years.

The best moments in the snow are when you barely save it, haha.

Everybody's had highway fun, but a little highway fun and thinking a Y7 is fast are way too different!

beecee18

The "Billy's car beat Johnny's car" thing just dont do it around here.
To many varibles involved, common sence should tell you this.



#'s are the only thing that matters.