Shady JDM engine retailers (Part II) *Long Read*
03-22-2004, 08:14 PM
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[QUOTE=illicon2003]P.S. That scammer alert thing on your website is pretty dumb. It's official that you are making a big deal out of nothing. But you lost all my respect when you started saying "You get what you pay for etc.". You sound like a total jack *** by saying that, almost like "You want to save a couple bucks cause your poor, well, thats fine, you arent getting anything good." QUOTE]
I thought this was a given. since he doesnt buy the motors direct and resells them. That means he pays the lower price and the mark up you pay is his profit.
I thought this was a given. since he doesnt buy the motors direct and resells them. That means he pays the lower price and the mark up you pay is his profit.
03-23-2004, 06:39 AM
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Alright, well this is getting out of hand.
Listen, you want to make it in this industry these days you need to be different, and go that extra mile to earn trust from customers- and satisfy them. This industry is packed with scammers, everyone knows that. Unfortunately opening a shop will not earn you instant sales anymore, like alot of these companies think.
You get an engine for $200 cheaper, it will cost you $800+ on the longrun, so why not save up front? Alot of people don't understand this, and we're trying to make it more obvious. Too many people want to pay next to nothing, but expect GOLD in return.
You don't like our company, that's fine, it's up to you, but don't start trashing about how we're somehow scamming people.
And like Benbuilt mentionned, it's a given. I'm not saying if you're poor you're not going to get a good engine. I'm saying if you DO get the engine for cheaper, know what you're getting, and know the company's reputation. Besides if someone is poor, in all honesty they should not be getting a swap. They can be expensive and something always goes wrong and makes a dent in the budget.
Listen, you want to make it in this industry these days you need to be different, and go that extra mile to earn trust from customers- and satisfy them. This industry is packed with scammers, everyone knows that. Unfortunately opening a shop will not earn you instant sales anymore, like alot of these companies think.
You get an engine for $200 cheaper, it will cost you $800+ on the longrun, so why not save up front? Alot of people don't understand this, and we're trying to make it more obvious. Too many people want to pay next to nothing, but expect GOLD in return.
You don't like our company, that's fine, it's up to you, but don't start trashing about how we're somehow scamming people.
And like Benbuilt mentionned, it's a given. I'm not saying if you're poor you're not going to get a good engine. I'm saying if you DO get the engine for cheaper, know what you're getting, and know the company's reputation. Besides if someone is poor, in all honesty they should not be getting a swap. They can be expensive and something always goes wrong and makes a dent in the budget.
03-23-2004, 08:53 AM
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Well judging by your responses and your attitude shown in this thread, It looks to me like your a big time baby. I mean, you come on here and put on an act just to get free advertising for your company and negative advertising for the competition (Who's under cutting you on some stuff and carries front clips, which you don't). I think that even though it could be a genuine concern, that you are using this as a way to get ahead, and that not admitting it makes you a little bit "shady".
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by illicon2003 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well judging by your responses and your attitude shown in this thread, It looks to me like your a big time baby. I mean, you come on here and put on an act just to get free advertising for your company and negative advertising for the competition (Who's under cutting you on some stuff and carries front clips, which you don't). I think that even though it could be a genuine concern, that you are using this as a way to get ahead, and that not admitting it makes you a little bit "shady".</TD></TR></TABLE>
lets face it best way to get an engine is too pick it up yourself. japan star has very clean Type r engines infact some of the cleanest ive seen. probably wouldnt send you there cleanest since your not standing there but if you picked it up in person you could absolutely pick a clean engine. same go's for NOYAN they have clean ones too but fact is customers in CA that cant hand pick them get the dirtier ones since its alot easier to sell a clean one to a walk in customer. all in all NO CRASH engines have ever been sold by either company unless specifically told it was a core and in those few cases they are practically given away for pennies.
I think this whole thing came about because you (total JDM) approached them to be a supplier for you and you guys couldnt hack out a deal so the flame war started. lets face neither company japan star or total JDM has any real negative comments on here. so lets lock this stupid retarded post!
Us the H-T public will wait for actual hands on experience to judge are purchases on.
lets face it best way to get an engine is too pick it up yourself. japan star has very clean Type r engines infact some of the cleanest ive seen. probably wouldnt send you there cleanest since your not standing there but if you picked it up in person you could absolutely pick a clean engine. same go's for NOYAN they have clean ones too but fact is customers in CA that cant hand pick them get the dirtier ones since its alot easier to sell a clean one to a walk in customer. all in all NO CRASH engines have ever been sold by either company unless specifically told it was a core and in those few cases they are practically given away for pennies.
I think this whole thing came about because you (total JDM) approached them to be a supplier for you and you guys couldnt hack out a deal so the flame war started. lets face neither company japan star or total JDM has any real negative comments on here. so lets lock this stupid retarded post!
Us the H-T public will wait for actual hands on experience to judge are purchases on.
03-23-2004, 09:49 AM
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Yeah benbuilt, why dont you read this and then tell me that going to japan star to pick up an engine is the way to go.
a friend on a local board actually went there to buy a b16, not knowing about their top notch business ethics. here's the story:
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then saturday morning (yesterday) rolls around. we get up at 5:30, and are on the road by 6:10 am. we head out the turnpike to breezewood, then south through maryland and virgina. we reach Manassas at about 10:30 am. (not too bad)
as we roll up to the warehouse, i get a bad BAD vibe from the place. in front, there are about 3 BEAT *** civics that are completely riced out. They have kanji, and crappy decals, and **** hanging from the rear view mirrors. right from the start, i knew it was gonna be a bust.
so we walk inside, and ask for the owner. coincidentally, the grimiest asian guy in there is the owner, and hes also probably the shadiest motherphucker i've ever met. we ask to see the motors. the first (hence, engine #1) is sitting on the floor in the back of the warehouse, looking old and beat. we inspect it all over. the block id badge is correct. however, it has rtv-sealant around the transmission housing. hmmm, thats not a good sign. so we ask to see engine #2.
#2 was just drying off from a "wash"... which left it looking dirtier than #1. not a good sign. it also had red "ricer wires" (spark plug wires), which didnt sit well with me. again, we look all over this engine to make sure it was correct. it was. good. but we also notice that this engine also has a THICK coat of RTV sealant on the transmission housing. hmmm, not sure if this one even had an LSD.
so then we ask for compression checks on both engines. #2 fails miserable (keep in mind that the owner said both engines were fine.) Honda engines are supposed to hold 180-190 psi of air during a compression check. Well, #2 held 125, 80, 110, and 115 respectively. i told the owner flat-out that honda motors are supposed to be at least 180 psi. he said that was not right, and that the motor was fine. i insisted that he was wrong, and he just shook his head.
then we go over to #1 and give the same compression test. before we even hook up the meter, the owner says the engine is no good. well, we get the test running. cyl. 2 and 3 give back a reading of ZERO psi, and 25 psi respectively. i just look at the owner with the biggest look of disgust on my face, and he looks away. then a mechanic tests cylinder 1 on the engine. 185psi. **** you guys. i was right. and both engines are broken. you ********.
so my dad and i get out of there to talk. over lunch we discuss that we'd consider giving them 800 for engine #1 (blown head-gasket engine), or 1400 for both engines. we go back, and the owner doesnt even flinch. i say, "listen, these engines are obviously broken. i'll give you 700 for one, to take it off your hands so you can get better inventory in here."
he says
"no. nothing is wrong with these engines. you let them run for one day, and they will be fine. i will not sell them for less than 1300."
"but they are broken. we will have to fix them to get them to run."
"no, they are fine. i stand at 1300"
well, we arent buying a broken B16 for 1300. goodbye.
and then the ******* has the nerve to ask us to tell all our friends about how good their operation is. well, i'm holding up my end of the bargain. JapanStarMotorsports is the biggest shithole JDM engine supplier on the east coast. they are dishonest, and have poor business ethics. they will sell you a broken engine without thinking twice.
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well, thats my story. i know its long, and i apologize. but i just thought i'd share.
cheers
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a friend on a local board actually went there to buy a b16, not knowing about their top notch business ethics. here's the story:
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then saturday morning (yesterday) rolls around. we get up at 5:30, and are on the road by 6:10 am. we head out the turnpike to breezewood, then south through maryland and virgina. we reach Manassas at about 10:30 am. (not too bad)
as we roll up to the warehouse, i get a bad BAD vibe from the place. in front, there are about 3 BEAT *** civics that are completely riced out. They have kanji, and crappy decals, and **** hanging from the rear view mirrors. right from the start, i knew it was gonna be a bust.
so we walk inside, and ask for the owner. coincidentally, the grimiest asian guy in there is the owner, and hes also probably the shadiest motherphucker i've ever met. we ask to see the motors. the first (hence, engine #1) is sitting on the floor in the back of the warehouse, looking old and beat. we inspect it all over. the block id badge is correct. however, it has rtv-sealant around the transmission housing. hmmm, thats not a good sign. so we ask to see engine #2.
#2 was just drying off from a "wash"... which left it looking dirtier than #1. not a good sign. it also had red "ricer wires" (spark plug wires), which didnt sit well with me. again, we look all over this engine to make sure it was correct. it was. good. but we also notice that this engine also has a THICK coat of RTV sealant on the transmission housing. hmmm, not sure if this one even had an LSD.
so then we ask for compression checks on both engines. #2 fails miserable (keep in mind that the owner said both engines were fine.) Honda engines are supposed to hold 180-190 psi of air during a compression check. Well, #2 held 125, 80, 110, and 115 respectively. i told the owner flat-out that honda motors are supposed to be at least 180 psi. he said that was not right, and that the motor was fine. i insisted that he was wrong, and he just shook his head.
then we go over to #1 and give the same compression test. before we even hook up the meter, the owner says the engine is no good. well, we get the test running. cyl. 2 and 3 give back a reading of ZERO psi, and 25 psi respectively. i just look at the owner with the biggest look of disgust on my face, and he looks away. then a mechanic tests cylinder 1 on the engine. 185psi. **** you guys. i was right. and both engines are broken. you ********.
so my dad and i get out of there to talk. over lunch we discuss that we'd consider giving them 800 for engine #1 (blown head-gasket engine), or 1400 for both engines. we go back, and the owner doesnt even flinch. i say, "listen, these engines are obviously broken. i'll give you 700 for one, to take it off your hands so you can get better inventory in here."
he says
"no. nothing is wrong with these engines. you let them run for one day, and they will be fine. i will not sell them for less than 1300."
"but they are broken. we will have to fix them to get them to run."
"no, they are fine. i stand at 1300"
well, we arent buying a broken B16 for 1300. goodbye.
and then the ******* has the nerve to ask us to tell all our friends about how good their operation is. well, i'm holding up my end of the bargain. JapanStarMotorsports is the biggest shithole JDM engine supplier on the east coast. they are dishonest, and have poor business ethics. they will sell you a broken engine without thinking twice.
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well, thats my story. i know its long, and i apologize. but i just thought i'd share.
cheers
-Carl
03-23-2004, 10:29 AM
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We NEVER approached them to be one of our supplier's, I'm not sure where you got that idea. Secondly, this is not my attempt for free advertising. We were paying sponsors at the time of the "attack".
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Illicon- So what your saying is if someone defaced your business all over the ******* forums you wouldn't want to show ppl that what they're saying is bs. You're saying you would just let it slide along with your company...u'r a dumbass. 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Benbuilt4u »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
lets face it best way to get an engine is too pick it up yourself. japan star has very clean Type r engines infact some of the cleanest ive seen. probably wouldnt send you there cleanest since your not standing there but if you picked it up in person you could absolutely pick a clean engine. same go's for NOYAN they have clean ones too but fact is customers in CA that cant hand pick them get the dirtier ones since its alot easier to sell a clean one to a walk in customer. all in all NO CRASH engines have ever been sold by either company unless specifically told it was a core and in those few cases they are practically given away for pennies.
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after making that statment I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST ANYONE BUY A MOTOR FROM THEM
lets face it best way to get an engine is too pick it up yourself. japan star has very clean Type r engines infact some of the cleanest ive seen. probably wouldnt send you there cleanest since your not standing there but if you picked it up in person you could absolutely pick a clean engine. same go's for NOYAN they have clean ones too but fact is customers in CA that cant hand pick them get the dirtier ones since its alot easier to sell a clean one to a walk in customer. all in all NO CRASH engines have ever been sold by either company unless specifically told it was a core and in those few cases they are practically given away for pennies.
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after making that statment I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST ANYONE BUY A MOTOR FROM THEM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Benbuilt4u »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
lets face it best way to get an engine is too pick it up yourself. japan star has very clean Type r engines infact some of the cleanest ive seen. probably wouldnt send you there cleanest since your not standing there but if you picked it up in person you could absolutely pick a clean engine. same go's for NOYAN they have clean ones too but fact is customers in CA that cant hand pick them get the dirtier ones since its alot easier to sell a clean one to a walk in customer. all in all NO CRASH engines have ever been sold by either company unless specifically told it was a core and in those few cases they are practically given away for pennies.
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after making that statment I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST ANYONE BUY A MOTOR FROM THEM
thats fucked that they WOULD SEND ANY ONE A shitty engine unless the person KNEW EXACTLY what they were getting.
and because you even admited that thats what they do **** THEM.
i have never bought anything from totaljdm.com or benbuilt or japan star, and you know what i never will buy anything from any one who i can't pic up the motor from.
now if i lived closer to totaljdm i might just buy a motor from him, or you benbuilt but noooooo way japan star.
i mean its like those 1094 headers that were sent off and LOOK LIKE FUCKN **** when the picture he supplied looks like a totlly awsome peace
lets face it best way to get an engine is too pick it up yourself. japan star has very clean Type r engines infact some of the cleanest ive seen. probably wouldnt send you there cleanest since your not standing there but if you picked it up in person you could absolutely pick a clean engine. same go's for NOYAN they have clean ones too but fact is customers in CA that cant hand pick them get the dirtier ones since its alot easier to sell a clean one to a walk in customer. all in all NO CRASH engines have ever been sold by either company unless specifically told it was a core and in those few cases they are practically given away for pennies.
on.
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after making that statment I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST ANYONE BUY A MOTOR FROM THEM
thats fucked that they WOULD SEND ANY ONE A shitty engine unless the person KNEW EXACTLY what they were getting.
and because you even admited that thats what they do **** THEM.
i have never bought anything from totaljdm.com or benbuilt or japan star, and you know what i never will buy anything from any one who i can't pic up the motor from.
now if i lived closer to totaljdm i might just buy a motor from him, or you benbuilt but noooooo way japan star.
i mean its like those 1094 headers that were sent off and LOOK LIKE FUCKN **** when the picture he supplied looks like a totlly awsome peace
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I probably don't know the whole story, but why would they do such things to you, Andre? Well, look at it this way why not hmo or other respectful online business ? Did you do something that made them do this? Oviously the problem is still going on as far as months (I could be wrong, maybe more), so you need to talk to them face to face once you find out where they are and straighten things out. Otherwise, a lawsuit is inevitable. I'm sorry to say that I wouldn't believe everything that you posted nor the other, but I can see where the story goes. Sometimes rumors are just nothing but rumors unless it is true. That's just my .50 cents.
04-17-2004, 09:49 PM
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To be honest with you, I'm not fully sure WHY they picked me. I made the Osaka website over a year ago, and now I've decided to start my own thing. My general business and website is growing at a speed which I'm sure they desire.
Since most of the engine places in Montreal are family related or close friends, they all know I am 20, and I guess my age seems to lead them to believe I am not aware of what I am doing, which is not the case.
Unfortunately for them my company now consists of 5 employees, aswell as a recently appointed law firm which will be narrowing down my options to resolve these repetitive attacks.
Since most of the engine places in Montreal are family related or close friends, they all know I am 20, and I guess my age seems to lead them to believe I am not aware of what I am doing, which is not the case.
Unfortunately for them my company now consists of 5 employees, aswell as a recently appointed law firm which will be narrowing down my options to resolve these repetitive attacks.
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I feel your pain.. I opened my company when i was 18.. lots of trouble with people always blaming everything on my age.. the package was shipped one day late, then they say its because im 18 and immature... it never ends.. stick with it! dont let them step on you.
Gonna give an example with no names.
I was shut down by a supplier because of the credit terms that I would not agree to.
Went to their biggest "enemy" put in an order 3 days later for $550,000 order ($552K + Customs fees to be exact)
I later faxed the company that shut me down my order status form, within an hour one of their reps called me and i turned them down.
the business world is rough. you gotta know how to deal with it. dont take crap
P.S. dont assume im some big business man i only made about $8000 of that order i quoted
Gonna give an example with no names.
I was shut down by a supplier because of the credit terms that I would not agree to.
Went to their biggest "enemy" put in an order 3 days later for $550,000 order ($552K + Customs fees to be exact)
I later faxed the company that shut me down my order status form, within an hour one of their reps called me and i turned them down.
the business world is rough. you gotta know how to deal with it. dont take crap
P.S. dont assume im some big business man i only made about $8000 of that order i quoted
Haters!
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ok to be totaly honest it really doesnt matter what people say about japanstarmotor because it is a big company that sells alot of engines and for the people who have bought from them know the deal. and now that will be passed on there friends and it will keep going. find another site that can beat the prices from japanstarmotor and best of all FREE SHIPPING ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. other places will charge you 200-400 for shipping especialy from canada.
for everyone reading this compare the prices for japanstarmotor and totalboost.
you will notice japanstar has a flat rate for the engine shiped to your door as totalboost will charge more for the engine plus you pay for shipping, customs not to mention he does not ship out the engines himself therefore not knowing exactly if the engine is being compressioned checked or if it is complete. thats all i have to say.
for everyone reading this compare the prices for japanstarmotor and totalboost.
you will notice japanstar has a flat rate for the engine shiped to your door as totalboost will charge more for the engine plus you pay for shipping, customs not to mention he does not ship out the engines himself therefore not knowing exactly if the engine is being compressioned checked or if it is complete. thats all i have to say.
06-14-2004, 11:40 AM
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Hi JapanStar/Nagano.
Why do you always create new usernames and trash our company? Can you not make 1 username and stick with it. It's obvious what you are doing.
I no longer need to defend my company's reputation and intentions, seeing as our REAL customers will do it for us. Do you honestly believe we charge more for an engine because we simply feel like it? It's been said before, you get what you pay for in this business.
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Why do you always create new usernames and trash our company? Can you not make 1 username and stick with it. It's obvious what you are doing.
I no longer need to defend my company's reputation and intentions, seeing as our REAL customers will do it for us. Do you honestly believe we charge more for an engine because we simply feel like it? It's been said before, you get what you pay for in this business.
Andre
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06-17-2004, 05:51 AM
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hey man nobody is talking trash. im just saying that we do good business and it really doesnt matter to us what u think. if you want to keep trying to turn things around on me then thats fine. good for you. we sell good engines and if a customer ever has a problem we fix it asap. you or your friends can say you bought a bad engine from us but if thats the truth then why havent we heard from them. and like you said if anyone out there has recieved a bad engine please contact us with your invoice # and we will fix the problem.
one more thing Total Boost who created JapanstarmotorS???? im sure you kno who this is. cause im sure it came from your server...dont bother trying to say something back because we know it is you and we are taking legal action.
http://www.japanstarmotor.com
one more thing Total Boost who created JapanstarmotorS???? im sure you kno who this is. cause im sure it came from your server...dont bother trying to say something back because we know it is you and we are taking legal action.
http://www.japanstarmotor.com
06-17-2004, 08:14 AM
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We are much too busy to have a website like that created. We have a business to run, one where customer's come to us- not the other way around.
If you are such a big company, why do you have all these trial screen names, and you go in other peoples' threads to try and earn business? If you ship so many engines, shouldn't you be busy testing and cleaning them?
I know we are right now, we put almost 2 extra hours on each engine, testing, cleaning, etc. It's alot of hard work, and we do it because we know nobody else bothers to out there.
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If you are such a big company, why do you have all these trial screen names, and you go in other peoples' threads to try and earn business? If you ship so many engines, shouldn't you be busy testing and cleaning them?
I know we are right now, we put almost 2 extra hours on each engine, testing, cleaning, etc. It's alot of hard work, and we do it because we know nobody else bothers to out there.
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06-17-2004, 08:57 AM
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hey man how can you say your busy when you live in ottawa and ship the engines from calgary. you work at home. there is now way you take 2 hours on each engine before shipping out. and about that other website we know it was you because it came from your server so theres no lying about that. so regardles we have your info and are taking legal action. and were not trying to earn business we just have to protect ourselves because your out there putting a bad name for our company. if you understand this then maybe it will stop here.
http://www.japanstarmotor.com
toll free 1-866-940-6666
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06-17-2004, 09:02 AM
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I did not make that site, it is not linked back to our company, it is not on our server, etc.
Get a valuable claim with proof against someone and maybe you will have a case. Besides, look at the title of this thread, and read it if you have time... you will notice that its in regards to your company, and I have actual proof that your party is responsible.
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Get a valuable claim with proof against someone and maybe you will have a case. Besides, look at the title of this thread, and read it if you have time... you will notice that its in regards to your company, and I have actual proof that your party is responsible.
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I just noticed this thread and thought I'd share my experience. I would just like to say that I am thoroughly impressed with Andre and totaljdm.com . I recently purchased a 3sgte engine from them for my MR2. Right from the beginning totaljdm was there to answer all my questions and tell me exactly what I would be getting. When I received my engine, I was stunned. It was even cleaner than I thought possible, and even the mechanic doing my swap was impressed. The engine was complete, and everything I was told was indeed the truth. Andre and totaljdm were there to help me along and make this an easy decision. Thanks a lot Andre/totaljdm, it was great doing business with you
Alex
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Hey Alex, thanks for the feedback. You were great to deal with, especially since you were local. I told you the engine would be awesome, and remember to take me for a ride when she's all tuned!
Andre
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