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07-26-2007, 06:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I favor non-ps too. my first civic didn't have it.
In fast turns my ps often scares me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There's no answer to that - gotta learn to drive better then....
I mean ****, what's gonna happen when you dump the civic and buy a real car??
Gonna buy a bently and rip the PS outta that too?
In fast turns my ps often scares me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There's no answer to that - gotta learn to drive better then....
I mean ****, what's gonna happen when you dump the civic and buy a real car??
Gonna buy a bently and rip the PS outta that too?
07-26-2007, 06:39 AM
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Well, getting groceries for me involves twisty roads. i like to take them "spirited".
No, ps only scares me on 50mph sharp turns because it fades in/out as i'm fighting the pump.
For daily driving as a normal person I don't have a problem with it at all.
No, ps only scares me on 50mph sharp turns because it fades in/out as i'm fighting the pump.
For daily driving as a normal person I don't have a problem with it at all.
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Maybe you don't understand the difference between a grocery-getter/commuter and a daily.
I daily drive my car. I have no other car. It doesn't matter if I'm doing Auto-X, going to work, drag-racing, getting milk from the store, taking a road trip, or just ******* around in the back-roads -- it's my only car.
I use my car for more than Point A -> Point B. That's the entire purpose of me being a car enthusiast. I don't just sit there and look at my car, that's not what I'm "enthused" with.
There is a more "positive" road feel without the power steering. I experience it's absence every time I drive NOFX's car. I don't know how to describe it to someone that doesn't believe it exists .... the fact that you're attacking my credibility and attacking a difference I can literally hold in my hand just shows how little you pay attention to everything while driving.
I daily drive my car. I have no other car. It doesn't matter if I'm doing Auto-X, going to work, drag-racing, getting milk from the store, taking a road trip, or just ******* around in the back-roads -- it's my only car.
I use my car for more than Point A -> Point B. That's the entire purpose of me being a car enthusiast. I don't just sit there and look at my car, that's not what I'm "enthused" with.
There is a more "positive" road feel without the power steering. I experience it's absence every time I drive NOFX's car. I don't know how to describe it to someone that doesn't believe it exists .... the fact that you're attacking my credibility and attacking a difference I can literally hold in my hand just shows how little you pay attention to everything while driving.
07-26-2007, 06:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe you don't understand the difference between a grocery-getter/commuter and a daily.
I daily drive my car. I have no other car. It doesn't matter if I'm doing Auto-X, going to work, drag-racing, getting milk from the store, taking a road trip, or just ******* around in the back-roads -- it's my only car.
I use my car for more than Point A -> Point B. That's the entire purpose of me being a car enthusiast. I don't just sit there and look at my car, that's not what I'm "enthused" with.
There is a more "positive" road feel without the power steering. I experience it's absence every time I drive NOFX's car. I don't know how to describe it to someone that doesn't believe it exists .... the fact that you're attacking my credibility and attacking a difference I can literally hold in my hand just shows how little you pay attention to everything while driving.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not attacking anything, but if what you said was true, EVERY new car that came out wouldn't have power steering, but EVERY new car that comes out has power steering...
Why is that?
Why are all those lambos, and vipers, and ferraris, and maseratis, and porsches, ALL having power steering? They're cars made for performance. If what you said is true and power steering is LESS performance oriented, that power steering would go right off the bat. ****, even the mclaren F1 and the Veyron have power steering.
I know what you're talking about while driving, I don't see it as "better" - it's different. You'd never catch me saying "I can't drive as good w/ power steering" or "I can't drive as good w/o power steering" - it's a different feel, on the road, and a pain in the *** in the parking lot, but I wouldn't go as far to say "I get a better feeling without it." - It's a different feeling without it.
Though you are 100% right about one part:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe you don't understand the difference between a grocery-getter/commuter and a daily.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, I don't, at all. I pick up groceries in the same car I drive every single day, which would get me to work, which would get me to school, which would get me to my g/f's house, which would get me home, which would get me to the movies.....
I don't know the difference between a "commuter car" and a "daily driver" - especially if your daily driver IS your commuter car.
I daily drive my car. I have no other car. It doesn't matter if I'm doing Auto-X, going to work, drag-racing, getting milk from the store, taking a road trip, or just ******* around in the back-roads -- it's my only car.
I use my car for more than Point A -> Point B. That's the entire purpose of me being a car enthusiast. I don't just sit there and look at my car, that's not what I'm "enthused" with.
There is a more "positive" road feel without the power steering. I experience it's absence every time I drive NOFX's car. I don't know how to describe it to someone that doesn't believe it exists .... the fact that you're attacking my credibility and attacking a difference I can literally hold in my hand just shows how little you pay attention to everything while driving.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not attacking anything, but if what you said was true, EVERY new car that came out wouldn't have power steering, but EVERY new car that comes out has power steering...
Why is that?
Why are all those lambos, and vipers, and ferraris, and maseratis, and porsches, ALL having power steering? They're cars made for performance. If what you said is true and power steering is LESS performance oriented, that power steering would go right off the bat. ****, even the mclaren F1 and the Veyron have power steering.
I know what you're talking about while driving, I don't see it as "better" - it's different. You'd never catch me saying "I can't drive as good w/ power steering" or "I can't drive as good w/o power steering" - it's a different feel, on the road, and a pain in the *** in the parking lot, but I wouldn't go as far to say "I get a better feeling without it." - It's a different feeling without it.
Though you are 100% right about one part:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe you don't understand the difference between a grocery-getter/commuter and a daily.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, I don't, at all. I pick up groceries in the same car I drive every single day, which would get me to work, which would get me to school, which would get me to my g/f's house, which would get me home, which would get me to the movies.....
I don't know the difference between a "commuter car" and a "daily driver" - especially if your daily driver IS your commuter car.
07-26-2007, 06:59 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why are all those lambos, and vipers, and ferraris, and maseratis, and porsches, ALL having power steering? They're cars made for performance. If what you said is true and power steering is LESS performance oriented, that power steering would go right off the bat. ****, even the mclaren F1 and the Veyron have power steering.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you honestly going to tell me you're going to compare the systems of a high-end exotic and a civic that was built with economy in mind? That's like comparing the engines of the two and saying, "Civics suck because they don't make 500whp from the factory."
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know what you're talking about while driving, I don't see it as "better" - it's different. You'd never catch me saying "I can't drive as good w/ power steering" or "I can't drive as good w/o power steering" - it's a different feel, on the road, and a pain in the *** in the parking lot, but I wouldn't go as far to say "I get a better feeling without it." - It's a different feeling without it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's all personal preference. I prefer to muscle through a turn and get feedback from my steering wheel. It's how I drive, I'm very touch oriented when I drive. I live on feedback.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, I don't, at all. I pick up groceries in the same car I drive every single day, which would get me to work, which would get me to school, which would get me to my g/f's house, which would get me home, which would get me to the movies.....
I don't know the difference between a "commuter car" and a "daily driver" - especially if your daily driver IS your commuter car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A commuter car/grocery getter is just that - something that you use exclusively for driving to and from work / the store / other ****. My daily happens to be my weekend warrior as well. I take it to the track, I go for spirited drives just to drive. It's an all-purpose vehicle that I am building to have a more "performance" oriented feel to. Upgraded suspension, engine swap, etc. If I had a grocery getter, I wouldn't put money into it past maintenance. I have an inkling that you understand, you'd just rather be difficult, so I'll spell it out:
I do more than get groceries in my car.
Are you honestly going to tell me you're going to compare the systems of a high-end exotic and a civic that was built with economy in mind? That's like comparing the engines of the two and saying, "Civics suck because they don't make 500whp from the factory."
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know what you're talking about while driving, I don't see it as "better" - it's different. You'd never catch me saying "I can't drive as good w/ power steering" or "I can't drive as good w/o power steering" - it's a different feel, on the road, and a pain in the *** in the parking lot, but I wouldn't go as far to say "I get a better feeling without it." - It's a different feeling without it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's all personal preference. I prefer to muscle through a turn and get feedback from my steering wheel. It's how I drive, I'm very touch oriented when I drive. I live on feedback.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, I don't, at all. I pick up groceries in the same car I drive every single day, which would get me to work, which would get me to school, which would get me to my g/f's house, which would get me home, which would get me to the movies.....
I don't know the difference between a "commuter car" and a "daily driver" - especially if your daily driver IS your commuter car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A commuter car/grocery getter is just that - something that you use exclusively for driving to and from work / the store / other ****. My daily happens to be my weekend warrior as well. I take it to the track, I go for spirited drives just to drive. It's an all-purpose vehicle that I am building to have a more "performance" oriented feel to. Upgraded suspension, engine swap, etc. If I had a grocery getter, I wouldn't put money into it past maintenance. I have an inkling that you understand, you'd just rather be difficult, so I'll spell it out:
I do more than get groceries in my car.
07-26-2007, 07:08 AM
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Daily driver? Wouldn't you call the car you drive only on the weekends and to the track and such...your WEEKEND DRIVER? Daily driver implies that you drive it DAILY, which apparently you don't.
Yes, I'm comparing them exactly to high end exotics, power steering is power steering, the most the new systems have is a fan on the compressor - it's the same premise.
I'm just saying, if you were to get better performance out of no power steering, all performance cars (or at least a few) wouldn't have power steering.
EDIT:
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.
Yes, I'm comparing them exactly to high end exotics, power steering is power steering, the most the new systems have is a fan on the compressor - it's the same premise.
I'm just saying, if you were to get better performance out of no power steering, all performance cars (or at least a few) wouldn't have power steering.
EDIT:
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.
07-26-2007, 07:21 AM
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"performance" Cars have ps because if they didn't the owners/potential buyers would bitch. If someone made it a dedicated track car ps would surely be removed or replaced with a power assit steering.
Eran's car is his only car, he daily's it and tracks it.
Same with my car.
Lotus's don't have ps standard. It's a $60,000 car.
BMW's do because people don't buy them as performance cars, they buy them as a statement.
We're not saying we care about the power gain/loss, if it worked that way, i'd rather sacrifice a few horses for a better feel of the road. I too and a touch-based driver. I pay a lot of attention to detail while driving.
Eran's car is his only car, he daily's it and tracks it.
Same with my car.
Lotus's don't have ps standard. It's a $60,000 car.
BMW's do because people don't buy them as performance cars, they buy them as a statement.
We're not saying we care about the power gain/loss, if it worked that way, i'd rather sacrifice a few horses for a better feel of the road. I too and a touch-based driver. I pay a lot of attention to detail while driving.
07-26-2007, 07:23 AM
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Re: (Syndacate)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
EDIT:
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.</TD></TR></TABLE>
biggest miskate i ever made was taking off my PS and AC system. i put the PS right the flick back on, and still trying to get this AC around the Dueceduece.
better steering w/o PS, very debatable.
EDIT:
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.</TD></TR></TABLE>
biggest miskate i ever made was taking off my PS and AC system. i put the PS right the flick back on, and still trying to get this AC around the Dueceduece.
better steering w/o PS, very debatable.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"performance" Cars have ps because if they didn't the owners/potential buyers would bitch. If someone made it a dedicated track car ps would surely be removed or replaced with a power assit steering.
Eran's car is his only car, he daily's it and tracks it.
Same with my car.
Lotus's don't have ps standard. It's a $60,000 car.
BMW's do because people don't buy them as performance cars, they buy them as a statement.
We're not saying we care about the power gain/loss, if it worked that way, i'd rather sacrifice a few horses for a better feel of the road. I too and a touch-based driver. I pay a lot of attention to detail while driving.
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My boss's friend has a lotus - I took it for a spin - if it doesn't have PS - it sure as hell feels like it has PS.
Eran's car is his only car, he daily's it and tracks it.
Same with my car.
Lotus's don't have ps standard. It's a $60,000 car.
BMW's do because people don't buy them as performance cars, they buy them as a statement.
We're not saying we care about the power gain/loss, if it worked that way, i'd rather sacrifice a few horses for a better feel of the road. I too and a touch-based driver. I pay a lot of attention to detail while driving.
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My boss's friend has a lotus - I took it for a spin - if it doesn't have PS - it sure as hell feels like it has PS.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Daily driver? Wouldn't you call the car you drive only on the weekends and to the track and such...your WEEKEND DRIVER? Daily driver implies that you drive it DAILY, which apparently you don't.
Yes, I'm comparing them exactly to high end exotics, power steering is power steering, the most the new systems have is a fan on the compressor - it's the same premise.
I'm just saying, if you were to get better performance out of no power steering, all performance cars (or at least a few) wouldn't have power steering.
EDIT:
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I drive my car every day, but I play around with it too. I track it, I race it, it's fun. Wooooo.
And I never ripped out my power steering. I never had it. I never intend to have it. The only thing I may do is while I have my engine out to paint my car someday, I may put in a power steering rack and loop it so I have the shorter rack.
Yes, I'm comparing them exactly to high end exotics, power steering is power steering, the most the new systems have is a fan on the compressor - it's the same premise.
I'm just saying, if you were to get better performance out of no power steering, all performance cars (or at least a few) wouldn't have power steering.
EDIT:
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I drive my car every day, but I play around with it too. I track it, I race it, it's fun. Wooooo.
And I never ripped out my power steering. I never had it. I never intend to have it. The only thing I may do is while I have my engine out to paint my car someday, I may put in a power steering rack and loop it so I have the shorter rack.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by THC07 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">better steering w/o PS, very debatable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's not better steering. It's a more precise road feel, at least in my opinion. I drive two 6th gen Civics all the time, one with, one without.
It's not better steering. It's a more precise road feel, at least in my opinion. I drive two 6th gen Civics all the time, one with, one without.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's not better steering. It's a more precise road feel, at least in my opinion. I drive two 6th gen Civics all the time, one with, one without.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well tell me this, if you were given an EX - given - and you couldn't sell it , etc. etc.
Say that was the car you bought, and it had power steering.
Would you remove it or loop it?
It's not better steering. It's a more precise road feel, at least in my opinion. I drive two 6th gen Civics all the time, one with, one without.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well tell me this, if you were given an EX - given - and you couldn't sell it , etc. etc.
Say that was the car you bought, and it had power steering.
Would you remove it or loop it?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Well tell me this, if you were given an EX - given - and you couldn't sell it , etc. etc.
Say that was the car you bought, and it had power steering.
Would you remove it or loop it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It honestly depends on what I was going to use the car for. Chances are I wouldn't because it's not worth my effort to get in there and do it.
Like I said before -- I prefer non-power steering ... I'm not opposed to it.
Well tell me this, if you were given an EX - given - and you couldn't sell it , etc. etc.
Say that was the car you bought, and it had power steering.
Would you remove it or loop it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It honestly depends on what I was going to use the car for. Chances are I wouldn't because it's not worth my effort to get in there and do it.
Like I said before -- I prefer non-power steering ... I'm not opposed to it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It honestly depends on what I was going to use the car for. Chances are I wouldn't because it's not worth my effort to get in there and do it.
Like I said before -- I prefer non-power steering ... I'm not opposed to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Alright.
I prefer power steering - If it came with it stock and was aftermarket removed for "better performance" - I am opposed to it not being there.
It honestly depends on what I was going to use the car for. Chances are I wouldn't because it's not worth my effort to get in there and do it.
Like I said before -- I prefer non-power steering ... I'm not opposed to it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Alright.
I prefer power steering - If it came with it stock and was aftermarket removed for "better performance" - I am opposed to it not being there.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Alright.
I prefer power steering - If it came with it stock and was aftermarket removed for "better performance" - I am opposed to it not being there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, removing it is stupid unless it's a dedicated application. I would not want power steering on an Auto-X Civic because I hate hearing it growl every time I go to one end of the rack.
Alright.
I prefer power steering - If it came with it stock and was aftermarket removed for "better performance" - I am opposed to it not being there.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, removing it is stupid unless it's a dedicated application. I would not want power steering on an Auto-X Civic because I hate hearing it growl every time I go to one end of the rack.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I agree, removing it is stupid unless it's a dedicated application. I would not want power steering on an Auto-X Civic because I hate hearing it growl every time I go to one end of the rack.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed.
I agree, removing it is stupid unless it's a dedicated application. I would not want power steering on an Auto-X Civic because I hate hearing it growl every time I go to one end of the rack.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed.
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Thats what I have a 99 EX and as soon as I can im taking out the a/c and ps. The feel/weight reduction and the 1 horse gain is all worth it to me. I agree with what Eran had to say and disagree with syndacate. Honda is for older people with economy in mind, and the rest of us with performance in mind. Bottom line these mods ad performance. Can you tell a difference just from doing this NO but every little bit helps.
Oh and why do you come in here and continually bash on what we/I want to do? Can you not keep it to your self or go vent somewhere else. Turning the form into 2 pages of bs
Oh and why do you come in here and continually bash on what we/I want to do? Can you not keep it to your self or go vent somewhere else. Turning the form into 2 pages of bs
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Re: (Syndacate)
Originally Posted by Syndacate
My camaro had NO power steering - or power assist - or power anything - and I didn't "feel the road better" - it's different, well it's a pain in the *** in parking lots, but on the road it doesn't matter. Though swapping the PS out of a daily driver because the PS is "not enough response to get you to work and back?" ...
I didn't know getting groceries and driving to work required so much hardcore steering antics.
Though whatever, to each his own I suppose...
I'm just saying, I've driven tons w/, and tons w/o power steering, and the whole "feel the road" - kinda sounds like a crock of **** to me. Only difference I've noticed is in parking lots.
Would you be happier if he had power steering for when he was daily driving it, but removed it for track day? Would he be happier with it that way? Would you be happier if he just plain had power steering?
There are differences in driving the two beyond parking lots. I can even feel the difference. I prefer my power steering though because the differences are negative when it's me driving because I don't have the muscle to pull the car out of a rut if it's manual steering.
Comparing your non power steering Camaro to a power steering Civic is a world of a difference from comparing a non power steering Civic hatchback to a power steering Civic coupe.
Originally Posted by Syndacate
Daily driver? Wouldn't you call the car you drive only on the weekends and to the track and such...your WEEKEND DRIVER? Daily driver implies that you drive it DAILY, which apparently you don't.
He said his daily driver (i.e., car which is driven daily or nearly daily; car which is used to travel to go to work, get groceries and do other everyday errands) is also his weekend warrior (i.e., car which is used on the weekends and on off days for hobbies such as autocross, drag racing, car shows, spirited driving, etc.). This could be one car or two different cars. A daily driver can also be a weekend warrior. A weekend warrior doesn't have to be a car which is ONLY driven on weekends and no other days ever.
Originally Posted by Syndacate
Yes, I'm comparing them exactly to high end exotics, power steering is power steering, the most the new systems have is a fan on the compressor - it's the same premise.
I'm just saying, if you were to get better performance out of no power steering, all performance cars (or at least a few) wouldn't have power steering.
I'm just saying, if you were to get better performance out of no power steering, all performance cars (or at least a few) wouldn't have power steering.
The Honda is a commuter car. An economy car. The Honda is built to be as comfortable and quiet as possible, without getting too expensive. Some of those Hondas had certain expensive systems removed from them because it made the vehicle cheaper. It'd be nice to sit there and think they were removed to better suit a driver, but it also largely had to do with making it cheaper so more people would buy the cars.
Originally Posted by Syndacate
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But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.
But whatever, it's your car, rip out all the PS you like, I like my power steering - it's staying, guess it's all preferential, though I disagree when you say you can gain performance w/o a PS system due to your ...upgraded sensory of the road.
Originally Posted by ek forever guy
"performance" Cars have ps because if they didn't the owners/potential buyers would bitch. If someone made it a dedicated track car ps would surely be removed or replaced with a power assit steering.
Originally Posted by THC07
biggest miskate i ever made was taking off my PS and AC system. i put the PS right the flick back on, and still trying to get this AC around the Dueceduece.
better steering w/o PS, very debatable.
Originally Posted by Syndacate
My boss's friend has a lotus - I took it for a spin - if it doesn't have PS - it sure as hell feels like it has PS.
Originally Posted by Syndacate
Well tell me this, if you were given an EX - given - and you couldn't sell it , etc. etc.
Say that was the car you bought, and it had power steering.
Would you remove it or loop it?
Say that was the car you bought, and it had power steering.
Would you remove it or loop it?
But the hatch would be a full EX. Power steering, cruise control, air conditioning, moonroof, etc. He's already told me he'd be very happy with it as a daily driver.
Sorry, just got off of work and this is what I come to Honda-Tech to see.
07-26-2007, 01:59 PM
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Re: (Syndacate)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh yeah, let's not forget the other part, THE HORSEPOWER ISN'T EVEN BEING TAKEN UNLESS YOU'RE TURNING THE WHEEL.
It's only a 2hp gain when you're TURNING - because that's when the pump is active, it's not doing jack **** when you're in a straight line.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's simply incorrect. There have been numerous dynos of B-series engines demonstrating 4-7 whp gains simply from removing the PS belt, and clearly the wheel was not being turned during the runs.
It's only a 2hp gain when you're TURNING - because that's when the pump is active, it's not doing jack **** when you're in a straight line.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's simply incorrect. There have been numerous dynos of B-series engines demonstrating 4-7 whp gains simply from removing the PS belt, and clearly the wheel was not being turned during the runs.
07-26-2007, 07:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's simply incorrect. There have been numerous dynos of B-series engines demonstrating 4-7 whp gains simply from removing the PS belt, and clearly the wheel was not being turned during the runs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's what I was thinking. The ps belt is running all the time, anything running off the engine will of course cause parasitic drag. Even the a/c belt still spins when the a/c is off.
That's simply incorrect. There have been numerous dynos of B-series engines demonstrating 4-7 whp gains simply from removing the PS belt, and clearly the wheel was not being turned during the runs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's what I was thinking. The ps belt is running all the time, anything running off the engine will of course cause parasitic drag. Even the a/c belt still spins when the a/c is off.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NOFX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crap, I meant to mention that in my long post. Oh well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (NOFX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NOFX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Comparing your non power steering Camaro to a power steering Civic is a world of a difference from comparing a non power steering Civic hatchback to a power steering Civic coupe.
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I agree.
Theres a noticable difference when making minor steering corrections during a fast long corner in my non ps civic vs. my bros ps civic
Comparing your non power steering Camaro to a power steering Civic is a world of a difference from comparing a non power steering Civic hatchback to a power steering Civic coupe.
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I agree.
Theres a noticable difference when making minor steering corrections during a fast long corner in my non ps civic vs. my bros ps civic
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Re: Power Steering Removal EK (jdm_j03)
yeah you can put it back in you will have to get the pump all the lines and of course the rack it is easy I had to do it to my car