HopperIsMyCar

D16Z6.
This is what I've gathered from research...
High CR = More power.
Pistons, head gasket, and valves can all increase compression ratio.
Are there other ways to increase compression ratio?

EsotericImage

iTrader: (8)

shave head..

but youll have to look at your V2P clearance

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

How much power do you think these mods you're suggesting will make you on a D-series? Nothing. Boost it or swap it. Try to build that engine to make "power" and it'll cost you a LOT of money.

Chilloutdamn

^ truth

HopperIsMyCar

Shave head? Can you expound on that a little?

And to my favorite D Series hater... Stop thinking you're cool while you're playing with civics. Only difference between me and you is I know I drive a civic and I admit its just a civic. Wanna be bad? Get a real car. Until then, either answer the questions (which you never seem to be able to do) or don't post.

m_shake

You don't understand shaving a head? Google is your friend

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

What's with the attitude? Did anyone here attack you? Who's a hater? I drive a Civic with a D-series in it. I did the research so I know how to make power in a Civic. Which I am. I'm doing what you WANT to do.

Shaving the head, which means having a machine shop mill material off of the mating surface so the combustion chamber becomes smaller with the head installed, will increase compression (that the layman's explanation anyway) but ON A D-SERIES it won't increase it that much to make a difference. Shave too much and then you'll have problems with your timing belt.
This is the thread you SHOULD be reading.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...ht=shaved+head

Sorry to tell you but there is absolutely NOTHING that you've thought of that someone else hasn't thought of before you. There is nothing new you can do to a Civic that hasn't already been done. But it doesn't seem you want to listen to anyone that wants to tell you that your plans are pretty much a waste of time and/or money.

You can go All Motor of Civic and you MIGHT make 150 horsepower. That's still slow.

HopperIsMyCar

Here's a primitive wishlist.

AEM air intake
Skunk2 Throttle Body
P2R Heatshield Throttle Body Gasket
Blox TPS Sensor
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
Hondata Heatshield Intake Manifold Gasket
DC Sports 4-2-1 Headers
Random Technologies High Flow Catalytic Converter
Skunk2 Exhaust

Hassport Motor Mounts
Prothane Motor Mount Inserts
Ingalls Torque Damper
Berk Arnley Transmission Mounts

Hondata S300
AEM 3.5 Bar MAP Sensores
Golden Eagle Vacuum Manifold
Glowshift Gauges (A/F, fuel press, etc..)

NGK Iridium Spark Plugs
MSD 8.5mm Ignition Wires
MSD Ignition Module
MSD Distributor Cap and Rotor
MSD Ignition Coil
Buddy Club Light weight Battery

P2R Fuel Rail
AEM Fuel Filter
RC 550cc Fuel Injectors
Walboro 255lph Fuel Pump
AEM Fuel Pressure Regulator

Koyo Radiator
Skunk2 Hoses
Mugen Thermostat
Flex-a-Lite Fan

Quaife Limited Slip Differential
ACT Clutch
ACT Flywheel

COMP Camshaft
Skunk2 High Compression Valves
KMS Valve Guide Seals
Supertech Valve Guides
COMP Valve Springs
COMP Valve Seats
COMP Valve Spring Retainers
Apexi High Compression Head Gasket
JE 10.5.1 Compression Pistons
Eagle Rods
Skunk2 Adjustable Cam Gears
Unorthodox Racing Pulleys
Skunk2 Cam Seals
ARP Rod Bolts
ARP Head Studs
ACL Main Bearings
TOGA Oil Pump
New Main Studs

Buddy Club Racing Wheels w/ Good Tires
Energy Suspension Master Bushing Set
Skunk 2 Suspension
Rear Lower Control Arms
Coilover
Strut Bars
Sway Bars
Rear Lower Tie Bar
Camber Kit
Drive Shaft Shop Axles
Tanabe Underbrace

Russel Slotted Rotors
Russel Brake Lines
Russel Brake Pads

Seibon Carbon Fiber Hood and Trunk

Excuse anything unhelpful, it was a copy and paste list.
But seriously? In all that?
You're telling me that between the air intake, exhaust exit, proper mounts, ignition, fuel delivery, internals, cooling, LSD, traction and suspension, and a good tune... I'm only going to make 20 horsepower? AT BEST? I know that not everything on that list makes power. But a lot of it handles the power more efficiently and/or makes the car lightr. Right? I'm sorry. I don't believe for a second that after all that, I won't have anything noticeable.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

You can wishlist all day long. I can guarantee that you don't even know what kind of power even 1/4 of this stuff is supposed to make you.

Glowshift gauges and Unorthodox drive pulleys? A 3.5 bar MAP sensor? For what? C'mon. It looks like an old Super Street shopping list.

Spend that and with the equivalent amount of cash I can build a boosted motor that will annihilate anything you can put together and will be solid and reliable.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Better yet, looking at ONLY the "power" making parts on your list, how much horsepower are they supposed to make on a D-series?

Blacknight117

iTrader: (1)

Just my two cents I`d thought I`d through out there.


This is just my opinoin and what other`s will/might probably tell you. I didn`t wanna waste my time saying what has or will be said with the rest...That`s my two cents.

And trust me bro, I`ve had my long wishlist for parts for my D-series, but after while you realize how much $$$$$ you need to make it even close to quick...If it wasn`t for grumble`s opinoins, I would think my D16 was quick with my ebay exhaust and sri LOL

HopperIsMyCar

Don't pulleys help with weight and freeing up some hp? Gauges and sensors help with tuning accurately, don't they? (though gauges are also for looks to be honest)

And as for boost... If I I do all that THEN boost, won't that be better? With the built engine, I'll be able to handle more boost, and therefore more power, right?

I'm not trying to race corvettes. I got the car for free, and it's my summer driver. I just want the car to be more fun to drive. I'm hoping to put the rev hard turbo kit in it much later down the road.

And just for kicks, what would YOU do to this engine, or what have done and what are your results?

Blacknight117

iTrader: (1)

If your asking me, than I have an AEM sri, a cheap *** ebay cat-back, and lost about 10 pounds off the car. My car has a different sound, but I have a little more power past about 3k and when my VTEC kicks in. If I had to guess, I went from about 110 bhp at the wheels to maybe 113 or 114 bhp at the wheels. If you look at my build thread, I`m going for a clean Civic, not a fast civic. When I get my shop open, I`ll probably do a B18 or B20 swap, or if one lands in my lap. Till than, I`m sticking with what I got.

And as for boosting the car, you can use stock internals. You just don`t wanna go stupid crazy with the PSI amounts...

HopperIsMyCar

Yeah. But i CAN go stupid with psi if its built. Right?

Blacknight117

iTrader: (1)

IF you wanna spend at least $1200+ to boost the motor, by all means go for it. But with the same amount, you can get a B20, build it and boost it. And you can push 200+bhp from that kind of set-up.

But, it`s you car, you do what you will. We`re just giving our opinons of what we have seen work, and go up in flames..

EsotericImage

iTrader: (8)

for the cash your going to spend on this all motor build, you can add boost and walk any NA Bseries and most K series.

your obvious a brand spankin newbie and have 3 people telling you that your wasting your time and $$ trying to do this.

But its your car/time/money.. After you drop 4 grand in it and your still not fast, youll come back to this thread and realize we were all trying to tell you.


Half of that wish list is not needed. You want to start upgrading? start with replacing suspension bushings, motor mounts and anything else that has worn out over the cars lifetime.

Meanmagic94EX

Sorry to butt in but with that situation would it be better just bore and sleeve the motor with some APR studs to hold it all down if you want a good bit of boost?

JDM*JUNKY*EF9

buy my whale ***** it will give u like 50 hp !!! and call it a day !!!

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Here's my opinion. If you plan on boosting then plan for boost only. Don't sit there and think you're going to do a high compression N/A build and THEN stack a turbo on top of that. Can it be done? Yes. It has been. But the tune has to be SPOT ON. Meaning no room for error. If you don't know of such a tuner then you're just a ticking time bomb.

If you want N/A power then go H2B. If you've got the money go K.
If you want boost. Build up the internals and then boost it. Or swap a B series in it and boost that stock for about 300hp. 300hp on the street in a Civic is pretty damn fast.

First thing you need to do is trash that "wish list" and start reading up on what actually works.

I would never put boost on a B20. Not unless it was sleeved.

EsotericImage

iTrader: (8)

Im boostin a B20 (but i have a great tuner)

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

And you know what you're doing.

Libertariat

You could scrap most of that lists and do a k-series swap and eat any n/a d-series for lunch and get 10 more mpg.

Blacknight117

iTrader: (1)

I was assuming he would know what I meant...apparently I was WAYYYY off

egcoupe_900

let the man do what he wants....maybe he wants to be different and keep it single cam instead of following the crowd and swapping it....to each his own right? everyone has there own taste and choice of what they wanna do with THEIR car...its not yours so why worry what he is doing and just give him helpful hints and trick....not sit here and make fun or argue over something so pedi....personally i give you props man. have fune with it.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Whatever. How about offering up a real suggestion for him then and not just play cheerleader?