Tralalalala

Ok...before all of the ego-maniacs on here start flaming, I really did search this and got sick and tired of searching for hours and hours trying to form some sort of basic conclusion. (Type in H2B vs K20 into the search engine and there is only 1 result...and the dude gets flamed hard. Look them up individually and you are sifting through extraneous information for hours on end trying to form some sort of definite conclusion)

Basically, before I get the classic (and oh so witty) "Hey...you see that red bold, underlined word in the top right hand corner of the window? Click that and all of the Honda-Tech knowledge and so on and so forth will be bestowed upon you." I would like an honest opinion of what you all think the best route to take might be.

1) H2B- yes much cheaper...but just how much? yes comparable power...but is that really true?
Is the swap REALLY extensive?

or

2) K20a2- cheaper of the k20's I know, 20 hp less, whatever (the "R" would be far too expensive)...but I've seen the list of mods people have picked up to do this swap and this sounds somewhat complicated to me

P.S. I'm looking to spend 7500 max on the swap...the less the better.

Is the H swap as complicated a procedure? I'm looking at ease of install, 12 second potential, reliabilty, and most of all dollar value as criteria here.

Which swap is more straightforward?

I know that there are a lot of extremely intelligent people on this web board who have a lot of great feedback and positive comments to give me. I welcome and verily appreciate these types of responses (and we all know that everyone loves to see their little post number go up as well! )

However...to those of you who feel the need to provide smart *** comments (as I have so often seen on here) please refrain from doing so. Simply ignore the thread. Negativity breeds more negativity. Honestly..it has gotten to the point where people don't want to post because they'll get flamed...not a good reputation for a web board. Nonetheless, there IS a wealth of knowledge on here, and I think that searching out answers so that there is no interaction amongst e-people isn't always the best thing. A little more of a feeling of community is fostered when people can ask reasonable questions comfortably and don't have to expect to be publicly alienated because of it.

Thanks for your feedback. I'm not sure if this thread will be shut down or not, but I thought that I'd voice some concerns/frustrations while I had the opportunity.

Oh...and no this is not my first post, I'm actually much higher than that. I just didn't want to destroy my percentage nor my rapport with people on here over something that everyone knows is the truth but that no one really wants to say anything about.

So yeah...H2B or K20a2 into an EK hatch?

Rock_Star

whatever you want to go with, ive seen many EK with k20's. now k20's can be done with 7k or less if DIY. average stock k20 swaped wouldnt get you in the 12's but maybe in the mid 13's. dont quote me on this, correct if im wrong. im in the prosses of finding bits and pieces for my k sawp in my ek. gl on your search.

gibsanez

I am finishing up an H2B in my 4th gen, and if I was to go H2B again it would be in a newer, bigger chassis ie: a 6th gen.

H22's sell for anywheres from $1100-$1400 (depending on seller), and you have two options with the plates.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1806590
http://www.quartersportsdrag.com/

The QSD kit is cheaper, but the EVO kit comes with a lot more. I hope this thread doesn't turn into a QSDvsEVO debate. Anyways. I personally went with QSD because I already had B swap mounts, and I already had a B flywheel, so why not use them?

As far as the 4th gen chassis is concerned, it's a tight fight, but with a larger chassis, it's not nearly as much as a problem, for either kit. The QSD kit maximizes ground clearance though. Regardless, it was a pretty straightforward swap, barely more difficult that a regular B swap. Yes it'll take some time, but it's not that bad.

Don't let anyone tell you that H's can't make big power, that is outright untrue. And the whole weight issue as well, don't believe most of the BS out there. There is a thread where a fella weighed H, B and D blocks and H and B transmissions. Guess what, an H22 by itself weighs about 20 some odd pounds more than a B16.

I could really fill this thread with my personal opinions and facts and blah blah, but I'm going to try to keep it short. Personally, I think the H2B is more cost efficient, sounds like an easier swap as far as wiring and fab is concerned, and has almost as much potential as the K. The only reason I say almost is because of all the random builds I've seen that drop a set of cams and a $1000 header plus a tune and BAM! 250WHP. But anyways. Good luck with the decision.

daluv

If you have time, and arent in a rush, you could definatley peice togeather the parts you need to swap in the k-series into your hatch for a decent price. There are a lot of people out there that went and got themselves in a little debt trying to be "the cool first ones to have the swap" and now they are selling thier setups for cheap because the banks are nipping at thier heels for thier $$.

The H2B would be cheaper, and would be a little more straight forward than the k-swap. Are you going to be doing the swap or are you going to have a shop do it? If so, and if you arent too familiar with doing swaps, then Id advise doing the H2B one as your first.

Performance and reliability wise, thats a tough one. The H-series motors have been around for a while, and have been through the gaunlet of excessive mileage. They have, and can, last for quite long time. I dont doubt Honda at all in terms of making a super reliable motor, but the k-series are still fresh, and Ive yet to see one in person that has lasted over 200K. Not saying they dont, or wont, just saying I havent seen one yet.

Basically, for a good chunk of $$ less, you could have a little more hp and coul easily throw on a few parts, or put the car on a diet, and see some high 12's. Its possible.

Good luck with what ever choice you make! None the less, you will have a very fun car with either choice.

Tralalalala

Thanks for the constructive feedback. Sorry, I should have mentioned that I'll be doing the swap myself.

The H swap seems less daunting than the K. I've personally done several b-series swaps and have found them to be quite straightforward. But I can't see learning to do the K swap on my own as being overly difficult.

I know through research that the K responds like crazy to mods, but I think that mild bolt ons, an RMF header and some cams should be sufficient to hit the 200 plus whp zone on the H, no?

I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled for a K20r for a reasonable price and if I don't find a deal before the end of April its gonna be an H followed next summer by the 2B.

Thanks Again!

Tralalalala

Sorry, meant K20a2 not r.

Lookin for a crazy deal on an a2. That will be the only thing that would get me to go with the K.

neebie

I am in the exact same boat as you, the only difference is I am comparing the H2B to a JDM 98 spec ITR, not trying to high jack your thread but if anybody got input on h2b vs ITR please contribute. I have been searching for the last 2 weeks as well. I did a roguh number crunch and the H2B came out to about $1-1.5k cheaper, that leaves you with room for other stuff ( exhause, suspension etc.) But you are getting a motor with a bit more miles on it. I am dropping either of these engine into a EK hatch btw. H2b sounds really nice, I am going to the local shop this weekend and see how much they charge for labour.


cheers

gibsanez

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What's stopping you from getting a 97/98 H22? You never really know what they'll send you. Plus, all those engines are pulled at the same mileage anyways.