EKSedAndy

I did search on this topic, and found quite a bit of information, but I still have a few questions about the differences between a normal H22 swap and an H2B swap.

1. It is my understanding that the H2B kit has the engine mounted in a different location than with a normal H22 swap, is this true? It sounds as though it places the engine closer to the driver's side.

2. It sounded like running power steering in an H22-swapped EK was no problem other than fabricating some lines, but with the H2B swaps everyone was shaving the PS part of the pully off of the crank pully to clear the frame rails. So does this mean that there is no possiblity of PS with the H2B, while with the H22 there is?

3. Is there anyone out there that has done both of these swaps, or upgraded from H22 to H2B that can shed some light on the benefits of H2B? I know everyone says the gear ratios are much better and all that, which is true of course, but how much better times do these gear ratios actually translate to? Any noticeable, concrete difference (not just "it feels better", but actual timeslips)?

Thanks in advance for any help on these questions.

neebie

i am seeking answers for question 1 and 2 as well.

yekah

JUST STICK WITH A STOCK H22 TRANNY WELL THATS WHAT IM DOING WITH MY SH**

devney

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yekah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JUST STICK WITH A STOCK H22 TRANNY WELL THATS WHAT IM DOING WITH MY SH**</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why? Maybe he doesn't want to you what you are doing.

CTR_B

iTrader: (1)

You basically answered all your own question there man.

The trans make a huge benifit all though I have no Actual "proof" But this is how it works.. When running a GSR n/a would you want a LS trans or a B16 trans lol

.PLUMMM

Every person I have seen with the H2B swap loves it. The tranny really does make a difference. With this being said, if you don't have the money for it, the H-series tranny would be just fine. Hell, people have been ripping on it for years before the H2B adapter plate, so what makes it so incompetent now?

pat92si

The H2B kit makes the swap a slightly bit harder with shaving the block for the half shaft and shaving the crank pulley.

IMHO, the biggest benefit of H2B is that you get to use stock B-series shift linkage and axles, which get rid of the H22's biggest problem with the binding axles.

Ground clearance isnt the greatest with the kit, but you can't slam an H22 swap anyway unless you want to bind the axles up.

unusual71

guys are dropping almost half a second off their ET by switching from H trans to B trans. check out the hybrid section for all the info you need this section won't help you as much.

gibsanez

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pat92si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The H2B kit makes the swap a slightly bit harder with shaving the block for the half shaft and shaving the crank pulley.

IMHO, the biggest benefit of H2B is that you get to use stock B-series shift linkage and axles, which get rid of the H22's biggest problem with the binding axles.

Ground clearance isnt the greatest with the kit, but you can't slam an H22 swap anyway unless you want to bind the axles up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

QSD's kit actually maximizes ground clearance, because the transmission doesn't move from the stock height.

EKSedAndy

So is there officially no way to keep power steering with H2B? And I thought that these custom axles solved the binding problems, or are they no good either? Anyone with experience with them?

EKSedAndy

Anybody with H2B that retained their power steering?

sohctodohc

if you use hasport mount kit. with hasport axles you wont have any problems with binding issues.

how much are you gonna be driving the car???

i know if i was driving any interstate miles i wouldn't want the h2b (depending on what tranny you use) because it would be so far up in the rpms. and the only other thing that scared me from the h2b is (cant remember which way exactly, but the engine tilts one way or the other) and that scares me because of oil pickup issues. i know im gonna get flamed for bashing the new bandwagon.

but i have a h22a swap on the way. so im gonna stick with that.

rpared01

i have a full h22 swap, it work good for me because sometimes i need to travel 80 miles and my h22 gets me 26-27 mpg on the hwy

blackline

im also doin and h22 swap w/ hasport mounts/axles and h22 lsd gearbox

Rok_Stok

1st gear is the only gear that is shorter in the H22A tranny, BUT the B16 tranny has a 4.4 FD so really the B16A tranny would accellerate faster in 1st gear even though the gear ratio is a little bit longer, not that traction would be easy to get either way. The rest of the gears are shorter in the B16A, when coupled with it's 4.4 FD it will accellerate much quicker than the H22A with it's 4.266 FD and longer gears.

Gas milage would be higher with the JDM H22A tranny since its 5th gear is 0.787 and has a 4.266 FD. But people who do H2Bs usually are only concerned with having a very quick car and I bet would actually want a short 5th gear, which is vital for road racing.


Modified by Rok_Stok at 5:33 PM 1/31/2008

junior40er

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by devney &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why? Maybe he doesn't want to you what you are doing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, she was giving her suggestion like he asked.

doubledeucehatch

First off this is completly my personal opinion from what I seen and done myself.
H2B: Is good with the shorter gear ratios and also helps with the many axle problems of the regular h22 into any civic. If you like your car dumped this is a pro as well cause the H2b kit raises the motor up in the engine bay.

Cons: Cutting of the hood to make room for the raised up motor. Interstate racing the gearing is really just too low. Not to mention driving to Honda meets staying in VTEC the entire time. The price is always a con. With tha extra torque you could be burning them through second anyways.

In the end; I have never done H2B and prolly won't ever. I personally like the H22 tranny. Personally if you have the money and time I'm not trying to talk you out of it.But like most people I drive my car on a daily commute and its already revs high enough for my liking going about 65. In my own opinion if you just a regular person in your daily drive invest the 800 you would spend on the H2B kit and buy a nice used Quaife LSD cause traction wins all. I just think the money doesn't fit the gain.

1990prelude

h to d plate for the lx trans is kinda what i want to do the h would be hella bad on that trans

sohctodohc

why? if your gonna do an h2d why would you put on a longer geared tranny? thats like doing the h2b to put the ls tranny on its expletiveing retarded

gibsanez

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohctodohc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why? if your gonna do an h2d why would you put on a longer geared tranny? thats like doing the h2b to put the ls tranny on its expletiveing retarded</TD></TR></TABLE>

D series transmissions are dirt cheap and you can still buy aftermarket gear sets and LSD's for them

1990prelude

yeah and the h has the power for that long *** gear ratio so it would be a fun drive

sohctodohc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1990prelude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah and the h has the power for that long *** gear ratio so it would be a fun drive</TD></TR></TABLE>

you do realise the longer the gear ratio the slower the car right? so all and all you would just be making the h slower.

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D series transmissions are dirt cheap and you can still buy aftermarket gear sets and LSD's for them</TD></TR></TABLE>

i realise that the d-series trannys are dirt cheap but why put a lx tranny on it i would understand a little more if it was the ex\si tranny.

gibsanez

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D series transmissions are dirt cheap and you can still buy aftermarket gear sets and LSD's for them</TD></TR></TABLE>

It doesn't matter if it's an LX tranny if you're just going to put a new gearset in it anyways

sohctodohc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gibsanez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It doesn't matter if it's an LX tranny if you're just going to put a new gearset in it anyways</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gibsanez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

D series transmissions are dirt cheap and you can still buy aftermarket gear sets and LSD's for them</TD></TR></TABLE>

those 2 comments really contridict each other cause after the aftermarket lsd and gear set your not talking cheap anymore but whatever

quafie lsd= 900$
aftermarket gearset= im not really even sure but not cheap

so just after a 200 dollar d-series tranny and lsd your already up to 1100 dollars. so thats already more expensive then a really short gear itr tranny.

gibsanez

You can get close ratio 3 gear sets for like 5-6 bills, you'd pay more than that for an ITR trans. No one ever said you had to buy quafie's lsd either, people are still having luck with the modified OBX diff.

What if you already have a D trans/engine and you just wanna throw in a gearset and be done? Makes more sense then buying a full B setup.

My point wasn't that the D was necessarily a good idea, just that it's possible and for some people makes more sense. Go ask Bense why he likes the D transmissions, he'd have a full list for you.