snoochtodanooch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


Pollution? There are worse things that pollute the air than cars! And if you worry about a car w/ no cat on it then what do you have to say about SUV's! Its proven that they can emit as much pollution as 4 cars.

So really who cares, thats just what some hippies running the Ca state gov't want you to think! And then again it could be that Ca ppl dont know how to live spread out across the state; they just all want to live in clusterfucks, inside small cities! So with so many ppl occupying such a small area will create a concentrated amount of pollution!

No offense, but CA is a weird state! </TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree that california is weird, but you should still care about the environment, every little bit helps. If every joe schmo on here guts his cat "just because he has it off, can, and wants 2 more hp top end" there will be ALOT of extra pollution for no reason. You have to make a moral and environmental stand somewhere

hybrid_vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i agree that california is weird, but you should still care about the environment, every little bit helps. If every joe schmo on here guts his cat "just because he has it off, can, and wants 2 more hp top end" there will be ALOT of extra pollution for no reason. You have to make a moral and environmental stand somewhere
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True! But not everyone is going to run out and gut their cat! I myself run a testpipe on my hatch but it rarely gets driven! Thats why I have a Prelude.

You should care for the enviroment but there are far worses pollutant problems right now than car emissions; but I guess in that instance like you said every lil bit helps! If you cant control one form of pollution, just put the smackdown on the others!

blaster834

physics dont lie

lillthingz

The state laws and requirements are all different. In Oklahoma they don't have tint or emissions laws. Plus you don't have to have a front plate. In Texas it all depends on where you are located some city's are just strictly all safety no emissions. However I live in a city where I have to take emissions and the darkest tint you can have is 25%. I have a 92 hb, no cat, and limo tint or 5% all the way around. See you can so that when your a state inspector HAHAHA!!!

As for the cat, it makes a little difference when you have full exhaust and possibly a header. When I had stock exhaust I go tthe most gains out of getting the resinator removed. But it makes the exhaust louder.

Br1anPham

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


Pollution? There are worse things that pollute the air than cars! And if you worry about a car w/ no cat on it then what do you have to say about SUV's! Its proven that they can emit as much pollution as 4 cars.

So really who cares, thats just what some hippies running the Ca state gov't want you to think! And then again it could be that Ca ppl dont know how to live spread out across the state; they just all want to live in clusterfucks, inside small cities! So with so many ppl occupying such a small area will create a concentrated amount of pollution!

No offense, but CA is a weird state! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, but I happen to give a **** about the world I live in and the future of it. No doubt there is many otherways to reduce pollution, but because you think cars don't pollute that much is not a good enough reason to not try to help.

Pollution don't just appear from thin air because there is many people living in one spot. More people means more car's, job's, and factorys that cause pollution. One working cat may not make a whole lot of difference, but it will add up. All I'm saying is I think its morally right for everyone to trade a few hp to have to try help with pollution.

I'm entitled to my opinion.

743

Gutting the cat is retarted. First off its illegal, second off your car will smell like ****, third off you will see no more then a 1hp gain from doing so, and lastly it will make the car more loud and obnoxious then it already is. If you just absolutely need the extra hp then by all means buy a test pipe, but that still doesnt justify you breaking the law and polluting our earth. IMHO any daily driven car should have a catalytic converter, end of story.

MugenCivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres a kid i go to school with who wears goggles, he got pulled over and got a ticket for no wipers

no windshield didnt bother the cop, just no wipers.


phoenix rocks. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Haha phoenix ***** i mean cops have nothing better to do then do crap like that snottsdale isnt any better

hybrid_vtec

on a daily driven car, yes I think you should have a cat but on a weekend or track only car what does it matter? Like I said earlier my Hatchback has a testpipe but only sees street once in a blue moon. I have a prelude for a daily driver and it is completely stock!

Gutting the cat is stupid, just go with a testpipe or a highflow cat!

1KTQ

Well I beg to differ, I gained about 75hp and about equal that in torque from removing the cat and the muffler completely. What all is done to the car in question?

Br1anPham

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on a daily driven car, yes I think you should have a cat but on a weekend or track only car what does it matter? Like I said earlier my Hatchback has a testpipe but only sees street once in a blue moon. I have a prelude for a daily driver and it is completely stock!

Gutting the cat is stupid, just go with a testpipe or a highflow cat! </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm stupid, educate me... What is the difference?

PHOBIA

i know this isnt my place"i drive an ef" but i auctually was driving around with a bad cat for a long time.it eventually burnt up and gutted its self,i could really tell it was hurting performance,i took out the can and just run straight pipe for know until i can get a new cat.but i can really tell the differenceinn my 91 b16 hb si.the problem was is that all my exhaust was going into the cat filling it and then just acting like a baffle,it was going from a 2'1/2 exhaust into a 3 or 4 inch cat then back into the 2 1/2 exhaust.i dont knw if i am making any sense but i could really tell.the sound isnt bad at all on my car but then again im using a greddy system and there known for being really quite.hope that kinda helped.

nonsense

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Br1anPham &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm stupid, educate me... What is the difference?</TD></TR></TABLE>

one is stupid and one is mAd stizuppid y0!!!1

you have to guess which is which

743

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on a daily driven car, yes I think you should have a cat but on a weekend or track only car what does it matter?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree completely, I never said anything bad about not having a cat on a purpose built track car.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1KTQ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I beg to differ, I gained about 75hp and about equal that in torque from removing the cat and the muffler completely. What all is done to the car in question?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I sure as hell hope that your talking about your truck because thats really far fetched for a honda. You have to keep in mind that your truck and any honda are very different and react differently to certain modifications. And if you were talking about your car your full of ****.





Modified by 743 y0! at 2:58 AM 12/11/2004

TurboTagTeam

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 743 y0! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gutting the cat is retarted. First off its illegal, second off your car will smell like ****, third off you will see no more then a 1hp gain from doing so, and lastly it will make the car more loud and obnoxious then it already is. If you just absolutely need the extra hp then by all means buy a test pipe, but that still doesnt justify you breaking the law and polluting our earth. IMHO any daily driven car should have a catalytic converter, end of story.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you ever seen the **** that comes out of semi-trucks??? or buses, or trains??? Our little 4 cylinders are of little concern.If he wants the little extra power that not running a cat gives him then i dont think i such a big deal. Whats the difference between not running a cat at the track and not runnning one on the street. It is illegal but I know that they dont check 4 a cat were i live.

PHOBIA

Have you ever seen the **** that comes out of semi-trucks??? or buses, or trains??? Our little 4 cylinders are of little concern.If he wants the little extra power that not running a cat gives him then i dont think i such a big deal. Whats the difference between not running a cat at the track and not runnning one on the street. It is illegal but I know that they dont check 4 a cat were i live.

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because there are so many more 4 bangers out there than there are freight trains.start your car and sit in your garage for a couple of hours and see what happens.if you auctually live through it you will prolly wish you were dead with how sick your going to feel,now imagine millions of cars packed into your garage with no emmisions what so ever,,thats how i see the world one big *** garage.


Modified by PHOBIA at 5:53 AM 12/11/2004

743

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboTagTeam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Have you ever seen the **** that comes out of semi-trucks??? or buses, or trains??? Our little 4 cylinders are of little concern.If he wants the little extra power that not running a cat gives him then i dont think i such a big deal. Whats the difference between not running a cat at the track and not runnning one on the street. It is illegal but I know that they dont check 4 a cat were i live.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Whatever floats you boat man. Whats more important to you, some little riceboy that you dont even know gaining 1hp or having clean air to breathe 20 years from now? All I'm saying is that the consequences far outweigh the gains.

Honda97

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ur gay speed limit boy

.Beaver

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1KTQ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I beg to differ, I gained about 75hp and about equal that in torque from removing the cat and the muffler completely. What all is done to the car in question? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you talking about the truck in your sig?

jlsmi2

funny board... i'll put in my two cents... someone asked about a governer on gsr... i run a 1994 GSR engine w/ p72 ecu in a 1992 civic cx hatch, not sure if i have a governer, but i've gotten it up over approximately 145 mph. I'm approximating bc I was slightly past 6:00 on the speedometer.. the speedometer stops reading at 130...

hybrid_vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Br1anPham &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm stupid, educate me... What is the difference?</TD></TR></TABLE>

well if you are pretty stock it will helpout on topend, but why would you gut the cat being stock and why would you want to gut the cat with that tiny-*** piping! IMO I would go with bigger piping when removing the cat and replcing it with a testpipe.

.::Lee::.

First of all, as a disclaimer of sorts, I want to say that in my opinion it is morally expediant to control the amount of pollutants we are pumping into the air and into the environment. This means not only what we drive, but how much we drive, and how we consolidate our trips.

Now lets talk facts...

First of all, releiving back pressure does not create a loss of torque. Fact of the matter is that back pressure is not good for performance...ever, period. Second of all, factory Honda's come out of the factory pretty well tuned, you will not gain more than a hp or two by spending days resetting the factory fuel and ignition maps on a factory Honda. Sure, advancing the dizzy may net you a small increase, but in all reality its negligible. Anyway, point being is that you may gain or lose a few hp by doing things like gutting the cat or replacing it with a straight pipe. You may gain a few hp from releiving flow restrictions, or you may lose a little by throwing off the factory tuning. Point is, the gains are not worth it without extensive motor work or forced induction.

Now, forced induction (read:turbo'd) is a whole other story. Serious power gains can be realized through the releif of backpressure. Turbos need to breathe, and if they're all clogged up on the other side, they can't do their job properly. I experienced considerably gains by replacing my cat with a straight pipe.

You're probably thinking that I am a hypocrite by saying that it is important to protect the environment but I run a straight pipe on my daily. However, I pass emissions easily and legitimately with a straight pipe on. My car is well below the emissions standards, because it is tuned properly. Granted, the emissions levels would go down by running a cat, my car is by no means a gross polluter. Unlike wherever PHOBIA lives, diesel trucks and SUVs are just as common place if not more where I live than 4 cyl. cars. I feel like I am more responsible by carefully mitigating how much I use my low-polluting turbo 4 cyl. with no cat than these jack-asses driving their over-kill power-strokes and cummins without necesitating the use of truck at all (i.e. they never use it to tow and their's nothing in the bed.)

Just my .02

hybrid_vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ibiza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First of all, as a disclaimer of sorts, I want to say that in my opinion it is morally expediant to control the amount of pollutants we are pumping into the air and into the environment. This means not only what we drive, but how much we drive, and how we consolidate our trips.

Now lets talk facts...

First of all, releiving back pressure does not create a loss of torque. Fact of the matter is that back pressure is not good for performance...ever, period. Second of all, factory Honda's come out of the factory pretty well tuned, you will not gain more than a hp or two by spending days resetting the factory fuel and ignition maps on a factory Honda. Sure, advancing the dizzy may net you a small increase, but in a reality its negligible. Anyway, point being is that you may gain or lose a few hp by doing things like gutting the cat or replacing it with a straight pipe. You may gain a few hp from releiving flow restrictions, or you may lose a little by throwing off the factory tuning. Point is, the gains are not worth it without extensive motor work or forced induction.

Now, forced induction (read:turbo'd) is a whole other story. Serious power gains can be realized through the releif of backpressure. Turbos need to breathe, and if they're all clogged up on the other side, they can't do their job properly. I experienced considerably gains by replacing my cat with a straight pipe.

You're probably thinking that I am a hypocrite by saying that it is important to protect the environment but I run a straight pipe on my daily. Fact of the matter is that I pass emissions easily and legitimately with a straight pipe on. My car is well below the emissions standards, because it is tuned properly. Granted, the emissions levels would go down by running a cat, my car is by no means a gross polluter. Unlike wherever PHOBIA lives, diesel trucks and SUVs are just as common place if not more where I live than 4 cyl. cars. I feel like I am more responsible by carefully mitigating how much I use my low-polluting turbo 4 cyl. with no cat than these jack-asses driving their over-kill power-strokes and cummins without necesitating the use of truck at all (i.e. they never use it to tow and their's nothing in the bed.)

Just my .02

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Well put!


What do you say about a high compression allmotor car w/ big cams, whats your opinion on that? My car is not daily driven!

743

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ibiza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First of all, as a disclaimer of sorts, I want to say that in my opinion it is morally expediant to control the amount of pollutants we are pumping into the air and into the environment. This means not only what we drive, but how much we drive, and how we consolidate our trips.

Now lets talk facts...

First of all, releiving back pressure does not create a loss of torque. Fact of the matter is that back pressure is not good for performance...ever, period. Second of all, factory Honda's come out of the factory pretty well tuned, you will not gain more than a hp or two by spending days resetting the factory fuel and ignition maps on a factory Honda. Sure, advancing the dizzy may net you a small increase, but in all reality its negligible. Anyway, point being is that you may gain or lose a few hp by doing things like gutting the cat or replacing it with a straight pipe. You may gain a few hp from releiving flow restrictions, or you may lose a little by throwing off the factory tuning. Point is, the gains are not worth it without extensive motor work or forced induction.

Now, forced induction (read:turbo'd) is a whole other story. Serious power gains can be realized through the releif of backpressure. Turbos need to breathe, and if they're all clogged up on the other side, they can't do their job properly. I experienced considerably gains by replacing my cat with a straight pipe.

You're probably thinking that I am a hypocrite by saying that it is important to protect the environment but I run a straight pipe on my daily. However, I pass emissions easily and legitimately with a straight pipe on. My car is well below the emissions standards, because it is tuned properly. Granted, the emissions levels would go down by running a cat, my car is by no means a gross polluter. Unlike wherever PHOBIA lives, diesel trucks and SUVs are just as common place if not more where I live than 4 cyl. cars. I feel like I am more responsible by carefully mitigating how much I use my low-polluting turbo 4 cyl. with no cat than these jack-asses driving their over-kill power-strokes and cummins without necesitating the use of truck at all (i.e. they never use it to tow and their's nothing in the bed.)

Just my .02</TD></TR></TABLE>

1KTQ

[/QUOTE] I sure as hell hope that your talking about your truck because thats really far fetched for a honda. You have to keep in mind that your truck and any honda are very different and react differently to certain modifications. And if you were talking about your car your full of ****.

Modified by 743 y0! at 2:58 AM 12/11/2004[/QUOTE]

Yes I was speaking of my truck. I do realize there is a big fifference, but my point was that I do believe there is more to be gained from gutting your cat. Depending on what is done to the vehicle in question.

1KTQ

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Beaver EJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you talking about the truck in your sig?</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yes.