forcefedferio

awesome write-up thanks for all the info deffinetely sticky material. looks like i got some work to do, first stop radio shack.

Arthas

You kick MAJOR *** dude.. Yes you are 100% correct. I hate it when people talk **** on alarms saying they don't do ****. They do! Its enough to **** off a car thief and have him go to the next car. I spoke with a couple of ex-car thief's at work and they told me that when they were gonna steal a car; if it had an alarm or a club they would go to the next car because they didnt want to go through the hassle.


Thank you for taking the time in writing up that awesome write up.




BTW: Heres what I got off of work to back in March.

D16SiHatch

took the surround.. but left the double din pioneer head unit. interesting lol. i assume it must of been held in there pretty good..

to the OP: some really great info you got there. stickyin this sounds like a good idea

Arthas

They broke off the surround into pieces, and tried to pull off the unit but they had no success.

RyanA

Your picture just reinforces why USAC rules give you points for components being mounted NEATLY, SAFELY, AND SECURELY. Besides keeping the stuff from becoming deadly projectiles in the event of a car accident, they also keep thieves from getting everything easily. Any time you can ISO mount a head unit (as shown in that picture) instead of using a snap in install kit or sleeve with flip out tabs, you have a much more secure installation.

Good job on an install well done!!!

RyanA

PM's replied. I'm making a few schematics for a couple of you guys so don't think I'm ignoring you.

Back to the top to try to keep one more car in somebodies driveway a little longer.

krazy k

or you can just get an Autolock haha...lol number ten was hilarious.

RyanA

AutoLocks (if you are talking about the stick) look almost as cool on your car as they do thrown out in your hard after a thief takes 10 seconds to tear it off. MULTI LAYER security is going to be the only somewhat effective means to deter the hardcore thief.

Matt93eg

Damn OP..you get my props for this man. I have read through all of it and its great. PM sent BTW.

fryguy190

yea... people call them ghost switches. were it looks like its suppose to controll one thing but controls another. that's how my buddy has his A/C button hooked up to his fuel pump through a relay.

RyanA

PM's returned everyone.

g230sport

so how would one go about wiring up a "ghost switch"?

im very interested... seeing that you cant exactly tell what button is pushed in on my car, that would be nice.

how would i wire that to the fuel pump, or starter to deter a thief? my car had an alarm at one point, but wires have been cut to disable it, and i dont want to mess with it and have issues later, so why not just wire up a dummy switch...

bobinator5000

I've already got a nice security system on the accord EXV6 I have, plus an insurance policy for full reimbursement if it gets stolen. The system may be a little dated but it works; if memory serves this system dumps the fuel pump and injection so the car won't start and uses a normally open switch on those lines which makes it next to impossible for a thief to hotwire. Then you add the door sensors and seat pressure sensor, and radio cutoff.

Had a buddy who used to be a good car thief; made off with a couple hundred cars. Couple of pointers:

*He doesn't want to be in that car for any more than a minute if it's in a crouded parking lot. In a parking lot people will hear you and they're next to mainroads where cops can get to easily. Location is a huge thing.

*If it's an alleyway at 3AM, he doesn't want to be there any more than 5-10 minutes. At 3AM cops will pull up without lights or siren, you won't hear them coming.

*Stealing a car from a sideroad next to a major apartment complex is easier than from an urban neighborhood; if you and everyone else is 500 feet away from their car...

*He stayed away from poor neighborhoods/areas where crime was high. Rich people call the cops and figure "if the car is stolen I'll get paid by the insurance company and go buy a new one", poor people pull a gun and start firing because if that junker dissapears its their livelyhood and ammo is cheap. DO NOT steal from a trailer park. An upscale apartment complex at 3AM is the easiest if there are few/no camera's.

*If you go over your allotted amount of time, pack your gear and walk.

*If the cops do catch onto you, ditch the car and start walking. Even if they do charge you, you can say "I was just walking along". They can't match you via prints if you use gloves.


How do you make off with a car in under a minute?

*If you're good with a jimmy/shim, you can get a car unlocked in 5 seconds. Keep a buddy to watch your back.

*Research your target. A car with no default manufacturers security system with easily accessable wiring is an easy hit. Some cars mount the security box under the dash or in an easily accessible area in the dash. A mini-crowbar, pair of mini wire cutters, or a small hammer is all you need to tear that sucker out or cut the lines. From there it's a piece of cake to hotwire.

*The club is worthless; you can pick the lock in under 5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDZgSVET0do

*Many Older cars (70's-early 90's) can be bypassed via a good heavy duty stubby flathead screwdriver and a wrench that fits the grip; insert into the keyhole and break the tumblers/pins

*Once you become a registered business you can buy sets of master keys from the manufacturer that are available to repo men and roadside assistance companies. Some thieves steal from such companies and use the keys to get into cars, they then use blanks to. This gets you into the car (say you left your keys in there).

*A repo truck, if you can afford it, is a great way to take off with someone's car. You can **** with the security system in your own territory on your own time; manuals are huge targets since you can put it in neutral without turning the key and roll the car. A car being transported doesn't have to have a license plate in most counties and it isn't illegal to put a cover over it, either.

AS far as the ultimate security system is concerned; layering systems and methods just increases the amount of time the thief has to take off with the car or accessories such as rims, radio, and other parts. No security system with an older beefed up car is asking for your car to get stolen; it's 15 seconds and they're gone. A Garage and a shotgun at your bedside is a good way to keep a car safe; out in the real world leaving your car in a crouded area with a good security system advertised on it is enough. If you're going to stay somewhere, park it in the best possible spot you can find.

Something that can and will help is going to security websites for well-known automotive security companies and photoshopping yourself something that says "Fuel limiter with starter break off" with their logo on it. A CD-R labeling kit or sticker kit for a printer can be used to make the actual sticker. Then you sticker your car to let the thief know you've got 2 separate security systems installed.


Something not mentioned:

STEP A: Blow $300 on this:

http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...&storeId=10101

STEP B: Get a plastic compartment and hide this under your rear seats, inside of your bumper, under your seats, etc.

STEP C: Thief steals you car, you turn on a computer and grab the GPS signal. Call the cops, show them "hey, my car is stolen, here it is, can you go get it ASAP for me please"? If the cops do not return with your car, or if you do not trust them, proceed to step D.

STEP D: Call buddies, execute rapture drill. Put on body armor, grab guns, drive in seperate cars. Head out to the location, find car; if it's parked on the road, lay in wait to see who comes out for it. If it's in a garage/stowaway location, bring a cordless angle grinder. If car is in pieces because it's a chop-shop, everyone in said shop dies and you burn the place down to the ****ing ground to get the message sent to the ****faces running it.

RyanA

Yes, that is definitely a nice to have piece in supplement. Just keep in mind that if the car goes under a metal roof, the GPS is rendered useless. Unless this setup leaves what I call "goat pellets" (trail of little dots to show where a car has been) to show the whole route a car has taken, it won't do you much good. If it does show "goat pellets" for the previous 24 hours, it will work great as you will be able to see where the car drops off the radar. At that point, you will only have about a 1 block radius to search....

There is also a very cheap setup on here that shows how to download a simple program onto a pay as your go phone. You hide the phone in the car and just leave it hooked up to a car charger that is hard wired and hidden. With this setup, you can also do the same thing. Cell phones tend to have a lot better coverage than true GPS based systems since they rely on radio waves from cell towers instead of "line of sight" waves from a satellite. If I remember right, the minimum monthly is 10 or 20 bucks for the cell phone route.

angel_i

Sweet info, I'll be doing something similar thanks to this inspiration.

DatBlkej1

alarms are a waste of money...

djslim23

thank you for this...I'll definitely be PM'ing you when I get some time (my car gets stolen, I'm gonna read that "when I get some time" a thousand times)

Freestyle_13

Really liking this thread. Swicked write up

SLURS

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bump i wanna do something like this!

krazy k

dude, it's shape its perfect. it requires the unique key. all a theif can do is toe it, and what not, when does that ever happend.

2000BlueEm1

great info

del-solja

thanks for all the great ideas. its definately worth the time money and effort.

streetchemistry2000si

I heart you OP.

sticky please.

andoxviii

iTrader: (1)

I really like that factory radio method.

This thread should be put in the FAQ.

rick_rabies

hes absolutly right...ask me how i know