D16... B16 is there really a noticeble difference??
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd rather do an H2b swap for less than half the cost of a k20.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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I have ridden in a h22 civic and a 2 door accord completely gutted with the h22.. its quick and all but just not the cant move from my seat power you get from a v8 or even a inline 6 m3.. after you paid all this money for an h22 swap not only is the front of your car so nose heavy that you can only straight track the car but you could of bought an m3 and have the same results from stock.. I guess it all depends on what your going for.. I'd rather have a 14 sec reliable all around great car than a 12 sec drag car just my opinion
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Unless you have an old muscle car putting money in a car is the worst investment ever but.. you dont want to be caught dead in a stock honda unless your gay..
04-25-2007, 08:19 AM
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H22 are only about 30 pounds more than a B16 motor. So the nose heavy is a busted myth.
With the evo kit the engine sit back a little so the weight is good.
H2B in an EG hatch is getting into the 13's all day bone stock.
You can keep the momma's boy M3 and as far as a V8 yeah they are nice but I don't like all the rednecks that drive them.
I will stick to my non riced non gay H-car thank you.
Oh yeah and for this thread. B16's suck. Not as much as D16's. I am glad I only paid 1000.00 for my complete B16 swap including knuckles. I don't feel so bad selling the head for 400.00 and the block for - well its basically free someone just come pick it up.
1.8L or higher or bust.
With the evo kit the engine sit back a little so the weight is good.
H2B in an EG hatch is getting into the 13's all day bone stock.
You can keep the momma's boy M3 and as far as a V8 yeah they are nice but I don't like all the rednecks that drive them.
I will stick to my non riced non gay H-car thank you.
Oh yeah and for this thread. B16's suck. Not as much as D16's. I am glad I only paid 1000.00 for my complete B16 swap including knuckles. I don't feel so bad selling the head for 400.00 and the block for - well its basically free someone just come pick it up.
1.8L or higher or bust.
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Yeah man to each there own. I had a 99 trans am. There's a reason i drive my little 4 banger. Because when I am faster it really pisses people off, and that frustration fuels my fire.
Everyone likes different cars. There are FORD PROBE forums for christs sake.
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Everyone likes different cars. There are FORD PROBE forums for christs sake.
Do what you like
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Originally Posted by newman271
Unless you have an old muscle car putting money in a car is the worst investment ever but.. you dont want to be caught dead in a stock honda unless your gay..
Doing an old muscle car you have to not only keep up with the repairs, but then on top of that add performance/cosmetic upgrades.
A new car you can focus on getting say 1 performance part per month. Unless dont have a social life/live in the boondocks, you get 30 performance parts per week at autozone.
b16 fans need to have a reality check. Ride a civic with an h22, turbo'ed b18 or something like that, or even a 240sx s14 with an sr20de, or hell even a ka24de. Then ride a b16.
You will wonder why you wasted your time driving that b16. Its the SAME **** as the D16 untill about 5500. I havent revved to 5500rpms in months. And i think i only hit 6k rpms by missing a shift.
240sx s14 1997 $3500
has STOCK 155hp and 160 ft lb @ 4,400 rpm
1998 civic ex $4000
has Stock 127hp and like 109lb ft/tq @ like 6,500 rpms or something gay like that.
B16 swap +$3000 and you have 160hp and 111lb ft/tq @ like 7,500 or somthing even gayer. Not sure on the exact numbers, but they're figures, to prove how weak these engines are. Some of these nissan guys look at honda's like were the "geo metros", when you have idiot import racers dropping 3 THOUSAND dollars, to get vtak y0, and only a weak 160 hp, that you have to rev WAY HIGH into vtak embarrasment, to reach that power.
On thing i have wondered. When I see these import racers drive up to me on a public road. They rev their engine with HATRED. And they have a buzz that is so fukin loud, its like they're trying to be the baddest baddest import racer in a 2 mile diameter. They flip on their subs like dom, maybe crack open a packet of soysauce to mix with their corona, flip a couple switches, and when the light turns green, they TRY SOOOO HARD to chirp the wheels, but really they cant, because the b16 their sporting has to be @ like 6,000 rpms to do that, so pretty much all they do is just take off, but do a little "pretend to loose traction" at the begining, to give you a semi, head start. When you pass the little *****, still wearing his wendy's uniform, he looks at you with death, he WISHES death apon you, because you dare challenged his b16, and kicked his ***.
What would happen if you got out of the car at that time? Do you think this guy who dropped $3000 on an engine, neon lights, a HUGE wing for added 40hp, stripped interior, except for the neons, who just got spanked by a clean, modern looking sedan, with an economy engine, filled with groceries, would be very happy? I would be affraid he would shank me, with a stolen plastic wendys knife from the drive through. This **** happens to me all the time. They see a honda, they know that have a rusted out EG hatch, with a HUGE fart can, and a b16, so they try and vtec the size of their dick, but fail.
However its the people who drop the h22's, the b18's and what not, who are smart enough not to race around trying to prove that their 1.xl engine has a mean vtec.
Thats all the B16 owners are trying to do, they think the engine is cool for a bit, but then they start to realise d16s are the same thing, so they have to rev the **** outta them, to scare people. And you can tell the sound of a b16. So next time a b16 driver decides to race me while im on the phone with a buisness client, and nearly clips my front bumper, which is newly painted. Im going to in 5th gear, no vtec, quickly catch his ***, handcuff him, throw him in the back, where he actually has leather seats, not pepboys A1racing plastic seats. And take him home and torture him to death. Im sick of you b16 owners racing me, seriously, my $300 engine has whooped enough of you.
(apoligies for the crazy post, I am trying to quit a smoking addiction ive had for like 9 years. All I can dream about is killing a ricer and jacking his ciggettes)
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A lot of kadafi's points I agree with.
Modding an old muscle car is tough, it usually costs a lot of money, parts are hard to find, not to mention most 60's-70's chassis weigh 3000 lbs.
New muscle FTW, my 99 trans am from factory would run 13's all day. It was automtic with traction control so a good launch was not necessary.
I know what's fast and whats not, I like civic's because they're fun and cheap.
Modding an old muscle car is tough, it usually costs a lot of money, parts are hard to find, not to mention most 60's-70's chassis weigh 3000 lbs.
New muscle FTW, my 99 trans am from factory would run 13's all day. It was automtic with traction control so a good launch was not necessary.
I know what's fast and whats not, I like civic's because they're fun and cheap.
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the ONLY reason I drive a honda, is because I like the look of the 99-00 civic front end with a mugen lip (white only).
And they are built well, but to me they are not too fun to drive, when you have to breath the words "jesus, come on please, PLEASE jesus, help me get up to 60, we can do this with your power, and maybe some vtec mixed in a 70/30 mix"
and the chick whos riding with me thinks im crazy for wispering this undermy breath. So not only does she ask why were not going anywhere, but why im wispering. Lets just say I breeze threw girls like I breeze through gears. This is why i have a dedicated vehicle for bitches.
And they are built well, but to me they are not too fun to drive, when you have to breath the words "jesus, come on please, PLEASE jesus, help me get up to 60, we can do this with your power, and maybe some vtec mixed in a 70/30 mix"
and the chick whos riding with me thinks im crazy for wispering this undermy breath. So not only does she ask why were not going anywhere, but why im wispering. Lets just say I breeze threw girls like I breeze through gears. This is why i have a dedicated vehicle for bitches.
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Originally Posted by newman271
I have ridden in a h22 civic and a 2 door accord completely gutted with the h22.. its quick and all but just not the cant move from my seat power you get from a v8 or even a inline 6 m3.. after you paid all this money for an h22 swap not only is the front of your car so nose heavy that you can only straight track the car but you could of bought an m3 and have the same results from stock.. I guess it all depends on what your going for.. I'd rather have a 14 sec reliable all around great car than a 12 sec drag car just my opinion
EG = $2000
h22 complete swap = $2500
conversion, mounts, etc = $1000
$5500 does not add up to the price of an m3. And how is it not reliable? An h22 was made to pull loads of a 2800lb prelude + passengers. You have a civic which is 2000lbs - 2400 lbs which freaking takes away all that extra weight the car has to pull.
Also the H22 weighs how much more than a b-series? Wow, do some research before you talk.
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
A 14 second car, RWD which takes off that quick only because it has better traction. While an h22 civic will glady do 13's with the crappy traction it has spinning through 2nd.
Originally Posted by YoungKadafi
b16 fans need to have a reality check. Ride a civic with an h22, turbo'ed b18 or something like that, or even a 240sx s14 with an sr20de, or hell even a ka24de. Then ride a b16.
You will wonder why you wasted your time driving that b16. Its the SAME **** as the D16 untill about 5500. I havent revved to 5500rpms in months. And i think i only hit 6k rpms by missing a shift.
240sx s14 1997 $3500
has STOCK 155hp and 160 ft lb @ 4,400 rpm
1998 civic ex $4000
has Stock 127hp and like 109lb ft/tq @ like 6,500 rpms or something gay like that.
B16 swap +$3000 and you have 160hp and 111lb ft/tq @ like 7,500 or somthing even gayer. Not sure on the exact numbers, but they're figures, to prove how weak these engines are. Some of these nissan guys look at honda's like were the "geo metros", when you have idiot import racers dropping 3 THOUSAND dollars, to get vtak y0, and only a weak 160 hp, that you have to rev WAY HIGH into vtak embarrasment, to reach that power.
On thing i have wondered. When I see these import racers drive up to me on a public road. They rev their engine with HATRED. And they have a buzz that is so fukin loud, its like they're trying to be the baddest baddest import racer in a 2 mile diameter. They flip on their subs like dom, maybe crack open a packet of soysauce to mix with their corona, flip a couple switches, and when the light turns green, they TRY SOOOO HARD to chirp the wheels, but really they cant, because the b16 their sporting has to be @ like 6,000 rpms to do that, so pretty much all they do is just take off, but do a little "pretend to loose traction" at the begining, to give you a semi, head start. When you pass the little *****, still wearing his wendy's uniform, he looks at you with death, he WISHES death apon you, because you dare challenged his b16, and kicked his ***.
What would happen if you got out of the car at that time? Do you think this guy who dropped $3000 on an engine, neon lights, a HUGE wing for added 40hp, stripped interior, except for the neons, who just got spanked by a clean, modern looking sedan, with an economy engine, filled with groceries, would be very happy? I would be affraid he would shank me, with a stolen plastic wendys knife from the drive through. This **** happens to me all the time. They see a honda, they know that have a rusted out EG hatch, with a HUGE fart can, and a b16, so they try and vtec the size of their dick, but fail.
However its the people who drop the h22's, the b18's and what not, who are smart enough not to race around trying to prove that their 1.xl engine has a mean vtec.
Thats all the B16 owners are trying to do, they think the engine is cool for a bit, but then they start to realise d16s are the same thing, so they have to rev the **** outta them, to scare people. And you can tell the sound of a b16. So next time a b16 driver decides to race me while im on the phone with a buisness client, and nearly clips my front bumper, which is newly painted. Im going to in 5th gear, no vtec, quickly catch his ***, handcuff him, throw him in the back, where he actually has leather seats, not pepboys A1racing plastic seats. And take him home and torture him to death. Im sick of you b16 owners racing me, seriously, my $300 engine has whooped enough of you.
(apoligies for the crazy post, I am trying to quit a smoking addiction ive had for like 9 years. All I can dream about is killing a ricer and jacking his ciggettes)
Modified by YoungKadafi at 9:57 AM 4/25/2007
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Battle of the 16 second cars. Please stop posting.
BTW my friend has a 240sx with an SR20-DET. The SR20 DE is slow as hell. And you're super cool *** ka24 puts out shitty hp and torque for such big displacement. Not even an economy car with the 20mpg. Thats close to SUV range FYI.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STI champstar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? H22 accords are tanks with an added 50hp and a shorter gear ratio. Not quick IMO, just decent. So you're saying he could've bought say a 95 m3 instead of going with an h22 civic? Price check buddie.
EG = $2000
h22 complete swap = $2500
conversion, mounts, etc = $1000
$5500 does not add up to the price of an m3. And how is it not reliable? An h22 was made to pull loads of a 2800lb prelude + passengers. You have a civic which is 2000lbs - 2400 lbs which freaking takes away all that extra weight the car has to pull.
Also the H22 weighs how much more than a b-series? Wow, do some research before you talk.
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
A 14 second car, RWD which takes off that quick only because it has better traction. While an h22 civic will glady do 13's with the crappy traction it has spinning through 2nd.
1995 Nissan 240SX SE 8.3 16.1
Battle of the 16 second cars. Please stop posting.
BTW my friend has a 240sx with an SR20-DET. The SR20 DE is slow as hell. And you're super cool *** ka24 puts out shitty hp and torque for such big displacement. Not even an economy car with the 20mpg. Thats close to SUV range FYI. </TD></TR></TABLE>
for one, EG's are ugly IMO, but again that has nothing to do with anything.
Where did M3's come into playtime? of course they;re gonna whoop a Civic.
And what classifys slow as hell to you? what are you comparing this sr20de-t to? an m3? On these nissan engines it takes minimal to add power.
Oh and that KA24de, that you call slow as hell, i think the cost ratio to effectively double the output of hte engine doing NA mods is like what, 5:1?
so it takes 5x more money to double the output of a B16 on NA, than it does for a k24de. Now that 20mpg is only driving like a honda ricer. Since most nissan guys dont rev their car like a b16 driver will, im sure its not gonna be 20mpg.
Again no replacement for displacement like i said, 2.4 vs 1.6 = .8 which means i have 1.5x ,more displacement, which means the engine benifits 1 1/2 more from added fuel and air/velocities. However were not talking about a nissan here. And i have no idea where your getting those figures from. Your telling me my d16y8 civic could beat the s14 in a 1/4 mile/ 0-60? how is this?
as far as modifications concern, the ka/SR/RB engines have more potential BECAUSE the larger displacement. The engine is a HUGE airpump. So of course something the benifits from more air, has potential for more power.
Seriously b16 fanatics, get your head up away from the b16's nut sack. The **** has 1.6l of nothing. Yay! 91 octane, OMG that is so worth the $$$! lets drop 250 on an AEM v2 intake, and get 5HP! My brothers skate board has gained more than that for free. This has all been said and stated before. however i am the one putting down the reality. b16's=mommy and daddy's credit card. H22's/b18b's/b20's=more realistic purchase.
Somebody needs to post up the b16's stock dyno chart.
And again, STIChamp, a civic is not 2000 lbs, research the stock civic weights, so unless you chopped off 400lbs of shell, the avg civic is 2500lbs.
so all the stock s14's run 16's? wow, this is TOTALLY something I never knew, You sure the test car didnt have its ebrake on? auto's?
Modified by YoungKadafi at 11:10 AM 4/25/2007
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? H22 accords are tanks with an added 50hp and a shorter gear ratio. Not quick IMO, just decent. So you're saying he could've bought say a 95 m3 instead of going with an h22 civic? Price check buddie.
EG = $2000
h22 complete swap = $2500
conversion, mounts, etc = $1000
$5500 does not add up to the price of an m3. And how is it not reliable? An h22 was made to pull loads of a 2800lb prelude + passengers. You have a civic which is 2000lbs - 2400 lbs which freaking takes away all that extra weight the car has to pull.
Also the H22 weighs how much more than a b-series? Wow, do some research before you talk.
1995 BMW M3 Lightweight 5.3 13.9
A 14 second car, RWD which takes off that quick only because it has better traction. While an h22 civic will glady do 13's with the crappy traction it has spinning through 2nd.
1995 Nissan 240SX SE 8.3 16.1
Battle of the 16 second cars. Please stop posting.
BTW my friend has a 240sx with an SR20-DET. The SR20 DE is slow as hell. And you're super cool *** ka24 puts out shitty hp and torque for such big displacement. Not even an economy car with the 20mpg. Thats close to SUV range FYI.
</TD></TR></TABLE>for one, EG's are ugly IMO, but again that has nothing to do with anything.
Where did M3's come into playtime? of course they;re gonna whoop a Civic.
And what classifys slow as hell to you? what are you comparing this sr20de-t to? an m3? On these nissan engines it takes minimal to add power.
Oh and that KA24de, that you call slow as hell, i think the cost ratio to effectively double the output of hte engine doing NA mods is like what, 5:1?
so it takes 5x more money to double the output of a B16 on NA, than it does for a k24de. Now that 20mpg is only driving like a honda ricer. Since most nissan guys dont rev their car like a b16 driver will, im sure its not gonna be 20mpg.
Again no replacement for displacement like i said, 2.4 vs 1.6 = .8 which means i have 1.5x ,more displacement, which means the engine benifits 1 1/2 more from added fuel and air/velocities. However were not talking about a nissan here. And i have no idea where your getting those figures from. Your telling me my d16y8 civic could beat the s14 in a 1/4 mile/ 0-60? how is this?
as far as modifications concern, the ka/SR/RB engines have more potential BECAUSE the larger displacement. The engine is a HUGE airpump. So of course something the benifits from more air, has potential for more power.
Seriously b16 fanatics, get your head up away from the b16's nut sack. The **** has 1.6l of nothing. Yay! 91 octane, OMG that is so worth the $$$! lets drop 250 on an AEM v2 intake, and get 5HP! My brothers skate board has gained more than that for free. This has all been said and stated before. however i am the one putting down the reality. b16's=mommy and daddy's credit card. H22's/b18b's/b20's=more realistic purchase.
Somebody needs to post up the b16's stock dyno chart.
And again, STIChamp, a civic is not 2000 lbs, research the stock civic weights, so unless you chopped off 400lbs of shell, the avg civic is 2500lbs.
so all the stock s14's run 16's? wow, this is TOTALLY something I never knew, You sure the test car didnt have its ebrake on? auto's?
Modified by YoungKadafi at 11:10 AM 4/25/2007
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Im with you man, what happenend to the classic D16 vs B16 debate? Guess it got lost in mess of nissan, bmw, and muscle car data, how every other honda motor with more than 1.6 liters is the ****, and now FS/WTB posts in a TECHNICAL FORUM.
Im with you man, what happenend to the classic D16 vs B16 debate? Guess it got lost in mess of nissan, bmw, and muscle car data, how every other honda motor with more than 1.6 liters is the ****, and now FS/WTB posts in a TECHNICAL FORUM.
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Im with you man, what happenend to the classic D16 vs B16 debate? Guess it got lost in mess of nissan, bmw, and muscle car data, how every other honda motor with more than 1.6 liters is the ****, and now FS/WTB posts in a TECHNICAL FORUM. </TD></TR></TABLE>
your probably frustrated, however if you ever found the SEARCH BUTTON
then you would know there is OVER 1000 of these debates!!!!!!!
Im with you man, what happenend to the classic D16 vs B16 debate? Guess it got lost in mess of nissan, bmw, and muscle car data, how every other honda motor with more than 1.6 liters is the ****, and now FS/WTB posts in a TECHNICAL FORUM.
</TD></TR></TABLE>your probably frustrated, however if you ever found the SEARCH BUTTON
then you would know there is OVER 1000 of these debates!!!!!!!
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Hey thanks for pointing that out bud. Im pretty sure I never asked where to find another B16 vs D16 thread, but why this one went to hell. Oh and by the way cool bookmarks right above the Go button.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phondataz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey thanks for pointing that out bud. Im pretty sure I never asked where to find another B16 vs D16 thread, but why this one went to hell. Oh and by the way cool bookmarks right above the Go button. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Young Boys, A Sexy Time on PC. Hahahah OWNED. Hahaha sorry. On the real note. I have a B16a2 obviously, and its nothin great its not horrible but Im tryin to swap the block for B18C1 for the poor man's type r. I don't think the B16 would be a good swap. If you bought a stock car with it in it, ok. If you bought one swapped alright. But I don't know why youd spend the money to get a new swap there are much better values out there.
Young Boys, A Sexy Time on PC. Hahahah OWNED. Hahaha sorry. On the real note. I have a B16a2 obviously, and its nothin great its not horrible but Im tryin to swap the block for B18C1 for the poor man's type r. I don't think the B16 would be a good swap. If you bought a stock car with it in it, ok. If you bought one swapped alright. But I don't know why youd spend the money to get a new swap there are much better values out there.
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Maybe because im bored of honda's, and bored of tech. So my life consists of whoring my body, and my posts.
Maybe because im bored of honda's, and bored of tech. So my life consists of whoring my body, and my posts.
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for one, EG's are ugly IMO, but again that has nothing to do with anything.
Where did M3's come into playtime? of course they;re gonna whoop a Civic.
And what classifys slow as hell to you? what are you comparing this sr20de-t to? an m3? On these nissan engines it takes minimal to add power.
Oh and that KA24de, that you call slow as hell, i think the cost ratio to effectively double the output of hte engine doing NA mods is like what, 5:1?
so it takes 5x more money to double the output of a B16 on NA, than it does for a k24de. Now that 20mpg is only driving like a honda ricer. Since most nissan guys dont rev their car like a b16 driver will, im sure its not gonna be 20mpg.
Again no replacement for displacement like i said, 2.4 vs 1.6 = .8 which means i have 1.5x ,more displacement, which means the engine benifits 1 1/2 more from added fuel and air/velocities. However were not talking about a nissan here. And i have no idea where your getting those figures from. Your telling me my d16y8 civic could beat the s14 in a 1/4 mile/ 0-60? how is this?
as far as modifications concern, the ka/SR/RB engines have more potential BECAUSE the larger displacement. The engine is a HUGE airpump. So of course something the benifits from more air, has potential for more power.
Seriously b16 fanatics, get your head up away from the b16's nut sack. The **** has 1.6l of nothing. Yay! 91 octane, OMG that is so worth the $$$! lets drop 250 on an AEM v2 intake, and get 5HP! My brothers skate board has gained more than that for free. This has all been said and stated before. however i am the one putting down the reality. b16's=mommy and daddy's credit card. H22's/b18b's/b20's=more realistic purchase.
Somebody needs to post up the b16's stock dyno chart.
And again, STIChamp, a civic is not 2000 lbs, research the stock civic weights, so unless you chopped off 400lbs of shell, the avg civic is 2500lbs.
so all the stock s14's run 16's? wow, this is TOTALLY something I never knew, You sure the test car didnt have its ebrake on? auto's?
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1. any car will cream a stock honda civic. they're slow like most other ecoboxes. But you give it 200hp and 160tq, I beg to differ. An m3 would not run as fast as a 2000lb car with so and such power.
I have a Honda Civic EG cx that I'm handing off to a buddy of mines. It weighs 2065lbs. I never said I was a fan of the b16. Personally the only fast ones I've seen was boosted ones. I would never go N/A because I too know that power vs money is best spent on FI. I'm also not a fan of your $200 intake and Headers expecting to see gobs of power. Bolts on don't respond well to N/A without displacement. Thats why I don't do that. I never said I did that. I have a chart of civic weights in my room. The 96-2000's weigh 2460-2500. The 92-95's weigh 2065-2475. No way does an EG weigh 2500.
Again I don't know whos telling you this **** but it isn't me. D16Y8's run high 16's in the 1/4 mile. KA24's run close to flat 16's stock. I'm pretty sure they wern't automatics. I also looked up Car and Driver online to make sure 16.1 is the time.
http://www.importmodifications....html
Curb weight says you weigh 2859lbs. You say bigger displacement is directly proportional to the HP/TQ gained through more A/F compressed. I say it is not because with a higher displacement engine there is more drag, and more mass involved in every revolution of the engine. I am not saying a bigger motor will not make more power, I'm saying the efficiency does suffer. There KA24 motor #'s aren't impressive for its displacement, and that it does in fact run 16's in the quarter mile stock.
What are you suggesting that it runs? 15's? lol. And the RB20 is smaller than the ka24, it benefits from 2 more cylinder not displacement. Lets not forget 240's are RWD cars so they that advantage in the 1/4 mile also (during launch). Yet the 0-60 times are above 8 seconds.
You don't think I know Nissans, but I worked at a Nissan Dealer buddy. If you don't believe me I'll upload a pic of me doing a LOFs on 350z and Armadas.
Sorry about the off topic. B16's do feel a little bit different from d16's after you get into VTEC range. It also has ridiculously short gear ratios = waste of gas on the freeway. I've seen a boosted b16 run 12's somewhere on the kills forum against a DSM. But that would cost a lot of money. Like everyone says b16's are overated, they've become cheaper now that the k20 swaps are coming into play. One day b-series swaps will seem like mini-me's while everyones playing with the K's.
for one, EG's are ugly IMO, but again that has nothing to do with anything.
Where did M3's come into playtime? of course they;re gonna whoop a Civic.
And what classifys slow as hell to you? what are you comparing this sr20de-t to? an m3? On these nissan engines it takes minimal to add power.
Oh and that KA24de, that you call slow as hell, i think the cost ratio to effectively double the output of hte engine doing NA mods is like what, 5:1?
so it takes 5x more money to double the output of a B16 on NA, than it does for a k24de. Now that 20mpg is only driving like a honda ricer. Since most nissan guys dont rev their car like a b16 driver will, im sure its not gonna be 20mpg.
Again no replacement for displacement like i said, 2.4 vs 1.6 = .8 which means i have 1.5x ,more displacement, which means the engine benifits 1 1/2 more from added fuel and air/velocities. However were not talking about a nissan here. And i have no idea where your getting those figures from. Your telling me my d16y8 civic could beat the s14 in a 1/4 mile/ 0-60? how is this?
as far as modifications concern, the ka/SR/RB engines have more potential BECAUSE the larger displacement. The engine is a HUGE airpump. So of course something the benifits from more air, has potential for more power.
Seriously b16 fanatics, get your head up away from the b16's nut sack. The **** has 1.6l of nothing. Yay! 91 octane, OMG that is so worth the $$$! lets drop 250 on an AEM v2 intake, and get 5HP! My brothers skate board has gained more than that for free. This has all been said and stated before. however i am the one putting down the reality. b16's=mommy and daddy's credit card. H22's/b18b's/b20's=more realistic purchase.
Somebody needs to post up the b16's stock dyno chart.
And again, STIChamp, a civic is not 2000 lbs, research the stock civic weights, so unless you chopped off 400lbs of shell, the avg civic is 2500lbs.
so all the stock s14's run 16's? wow, this is TOTALLY something I never knew, You sure the test car didnt have its ebrake on? auto's?
[QUOTE=YoungKadafi]
1. any car will cream a stock honda civic. they're slow like most other ecoboxes. But you give it 200hp and 160tq, I beg to differ. An m3 would not run as fast as a 2000lb car with so and such power.
I have a Honda Civic EG cx that I'm handing off to a buddy of mines. It weighs 2065lbs. I never said I was a fan of the b16. Personally the only fast ones I've seen was boosted ones. I would never go N/A because I too know that power vs money is best spent on FI. I'm also not a fan of your $200 intake and Headers expecting to see gobs of power. Bolts on don't respond well to N/A without displacement. Thats why I don't do that. I never said I did that. I have a chart of civic weights in my room. The 96-2000's weigh 2460-2500. The 92-95's weigh 2065-2475. No way does an EG weigh 2500.
Again I don't know whos telling you this **** but it isn't me. D16Y8's run high 16's in the 1/4 mile. KA24's run close to flat 16's stock. I'm pretty sure they wern't automatics. I also looked up Car and Driver online to make sure 16.1 is the time.
http://www.importmodifications....html
Curb weight says you weigh 2859lbs. You say bigger displacement is directly proportional to the HP/TQ gained through more A/F compressed. I say it is not because with a higher displacement engine there is more drag, and more mass involved in every revolution of the engine. I am not saying a bigger motor will not make more power, I'm saying the efficiency does suffer. There KA24 motor #'s aren't impressive for its displacement, and that it does in fact run 16's in the quarter mile stock.
What are you suggesting that it runs? 15's? lol. And the RB20 is smaller than the ka24, it benefits from 2 more cylinder not displacement. Lets not forget 240's are RWD cars so they that advantage in the 1/4 mile also (during launch). Yet the 0-60 times are above 8 seconds.
You don't think I know Nissans, but I worked at a Nissan Dealer buddy. If you don't believe me I'll upload a pic of me doing a LOFs on 350z and Armadas.
Sorry about the off topic. B16's do feel a little bit different from d16's after you get into VTEC range. It also has ridiculously short gear ratios = waste of gas on the freeway. I've seen a boosted b16 run 12's somewhere on the kills forum against a DSM. But that would cost a lot of money. Like everyone says b16's are overated, they've become cheaper now that the k20 swaps are coming into play. One day b-series swaps will seem like mini-me's while everyones playing with the K's.
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This Kadafi guy needs to grow up.. its an internet forum. Your making an *** out of yourself. No it is not cool to rant a couple paragraphs over the same dumb honda jokes and your not that funny either. How is slow *** stock motored nissans being involved into this? its a honda motor vs honda motor debate. Get the expletive out of the thread. I've been lurking for a while and your the kinda guy IMO who gives this site a bad F-ing name. The honda crowd in general.
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If your on a HONDA Forum dont talk **** on Hondas, Just cause you drive a SUPERGLUE doesnt make it right. This site is to show Honda love and see what everybody in the world is doin. Seriously I know Hondas that can smoke many STI's. The EG/EJ Civic is the most popular Civic of all the generations.
Anyway Back to the B16 vs D16 not a major diff, But for less money than a B16 swap you can build your D to beat any B16, or go to an LS B18A/B, B20.
Anyway Back to the B16 vs D16 not a major diff, But for less money than a B16 swap you can build your D to beat any B16, or go to an LS B18A/B, B20.