H23_del_soul

I got the head off of the d15 today, and took some pics also got the starter and alt. off of the d16 so I could start cleaning them up and get them ready for reinstall on the d15. Well onto the pics!!!

H23_del_soul

Few more questions...
1. Can I sell the 15 head, and about what can I expect to get out of it?
2. Will my del sol exhaust bolt right on to my eg?
3. Is the Z6 a good head to go with, or is there a better vtec head for the mini-me swap I want to stay OBD1 so I think thats going to limit me there, am I right?

kUrb3d

Bolting the Z6 Head on the B7 Block will raise your compression close to 12:1, so the question is are you planning to boost? or trying to get a little more horsies out of your d15? It is arguable that the d15/z6 combo is a little quicker than the z6 itself, the smaller displacement is more than made up for in compression.(the higher compression is not as suitable for boost!) I just finished my d15/z6 swap and I love it...I spent more money than most but did the whole job for $1000 canadian. This included new pistons, rings, rod bearings, remachined head/valve seats, new gasket set for whole engine, new dizzy, plugs, wires. Follow BauleyCivic's writeup in the FAQ, it worked for me and a lot of others...If you want a parts list let me know I'll pm you mine from my swap...cheers

H23_del_soul

Yes, PLEASE pm me your list that would be perfect! I will most likely never boost the car, I am planning on going for a high MPG goal, the H23 will be my turbo toy... IF I don't part it out

EJeff8

Wow, 12:1? I didn't know that. You'll need Premium if that is the true compression bro. Hope thats not an issue

H23_del_soul

Nope, 93 is no issue here in Tx

H23_del_soul

anyone know any answers to the questions I posted above?

Tico Loco

Buy a D16-Y8 head gasket ( metal 2 layers, 0.5mm ) to get a better C.R., around 10.5:1. If you use a 1.5 DX head gasket ( conventional 1.9mm ) you get only 9.5 C.R.
Check the C.R in this web site: zealautowerks.com/dseries.html

Tico Loco

Is a perfect fit, oil pan, engine mounts (depends on the year), only the Ecu and harnes. D-15 with Z6 head works very good, little better than D16z6 for a non-turbo application. Much much better than D15-b7! Good MPG Too!

H23_del_soul

Leaving in a few minutes to go pull the head off of the other motor, WISH ME LUCK!!!

H23_del_soul

Well, didn't get the head off the 16, but got the VC off. I also got the oil pan off the 15 and that thing is beat ALL to hell! I havn't seen the underside of the 16's pan yet, so I can only hope that it is fine but in case it isn't what is a good replacement for it? Is there a good place to get cheap OEM pans from or should I just pound out the dents in these and run them? Is there an aftermarket pan with super cool hella JDM baffles that I could be running that will triple my HP and help me time travel?

EJeff8

that also comes painted JDM red like the flywheel cover because so many people look under your car that the underside needs to look just as fly as the top?!

Rockauto.com has a new one with plug and seal for $76 not including shipping.

H23_del_soul

I was just kidding about the "fly *** JDM goodies" I pretty much never get anything "JDM" I don't really get the appeal. I don't really want to spend 80 bucks on an oil pan either unless it does something better than a stock one I go tthe head off of the 16 today, but not the oil pan so I don't know it's condition. I will for sure tomorrow though. Onto the questions for the day and the pics for the day!

Ok, first off...
1. I need a replacement for this pipe, it's split in the back and might be part of why the motor blew on the PO, just go OEM on it? And can I only go with a D series or will any honda pipe work?


2. I have 2 different sets of head bolts, is there a better set to use or should I invest in ARP? The first set came out of the 15, the second the 16.




3. What is this metal box? I assume it is just a baffle for the PCV valve, am I on the right track with that? I assume there is no getting rid of it...


4. It looks like someone "got a little excited" in the block of the 16... The white stuff is really oily and smooth, WTF is it?!? Can you tell anything about the motor from these pics at all?





And lastly...

5. There is a LITTLE bit of the white stuff in the 15, is it an issue? Here is what I noticed today...


Oh, and I still need to know:

1. Can I sell the D15B head, and about what can I expect to get out of it?
2. Will my del sol exhaust bolt right on to my eg?

builthatch

that black box is a oil separator box for the PCV; like you said it's a box with baffles to keep as much oil as possible out of the gasses being pulled through the pcv. i'd keep that, even if you end up running a catch can. it can't hurt.

that d15 block....are you going to get that thing hot tanked, etc? it needs to be cleaned desperately. i would NOT leave that crud in there.

i can't recall what head bolts work for that combination, but i'm sure you know it can vary depending on the head/block, even in the same engine family/series.
many times it's only one, or people shim stuff, etc, but i'd def research that to make sure you can access the right ones for that combo of head and block. studs vs. bolts...i like studs. bolts work fine, but they are a one and done proposition. studs can be re-used if you have to get in there, then seal it back up.

re: that coolant pipe, i've never heard of using anything but a d-series on a d-series. if it were me i'd price out a new one, OE, at like hondaautomotiveparts.

H23_del_soul

Awesome, I will start looking for a new coolant pipe on there now! I was going to scrub the 15, but yeah hot tanking seems to be a better option. The only thing holding me back is... well... I have never gone this far with a motor before. This is the first time I have even taken a head off. I am pretty mechanically inclined as I work on blackhawks all day and have donw a few RB20 swaps on 240s, but I have never done any more than simple wiring and and such on those. If it's pretty easy to disassemble and reassemble the motor I will definitely take it apart tomorrow and take it to get cleaned. If I go that route, I would like to get it honed and start replacing stuff... How expencive is this going to get? I am trying to keep this as cheap as I can. I have all the time in the world, and I can buy tools when needed and was planning on balancing the pistons by hand if I pulled them to get them all the same weight but like I said, this is the furthest I have actually gone myself before.

H23_del_soul

Freakin coolant pipe is fiddy bucks!!! Looks like I'm going to try to either find a used one, or just repair this one. I started looking up other parts though and have a nice little list going :D I am getting a new water pump... but do I need a d15, or 16 pump? There is a 20 dollar difference so I am hoping the 15 IIRC it bolts to the block and since I am running the 15 block I should need the 15 pump right?

EJeff8

^I was joking too, the oil pan I found is a stock setup, not a "JDM" one haha. Coolant pipes need to be with the same engine. My friend needed one and grabbed a B and it was wrong haha. Good thing was, it was from a junkyard and they let him replace it. He went in and grabbed one out of an engine still in car and was pristine because it still had coolant in it =]. Don't really know anything more about what you're getting into, never went that far myself.

H23_del_soul

Well the one I have is rusted out like a ****, but I can always mend it to work for a few weeks til I find a good replacement. I just can't justify a 50 dollar pipe not on such a budget build. Guess I'll start looking for a partout and try to snag one

builthatch

yeah dude, that's too much relative to this build. you'll be able to find one elsewhere for next to nothing, i'm sure. 50 bucks...sheesh!

H23_del_soul

So if I want to take it apart and everything is still usable, can it all go back together fine? If so what do I start with in taking it apart? I want to go ahead and get the 15 fully apart tomorrow and ready to go so when I get paid on friday I can go What all should I take to the machine shop/ should I take it to a machine shop to have this done? I assume if I have the block honed I have to buy new pistons, right? is there any real advantage in that for me?

builthatch

nah.

hmm, i'd def try to get your hands on a helms manual for a 92-95 civic. srsly. it will make life SO much easier and you'll do everything to spec.

basically, you'd remove the head, remove the crank pulley, remove the pan, undo the rod caps, take the rods and pistons out (keep track of the bearings), undo the oil supply stuff, undo the girdle, take the crank out, etc.,etc.

just keep track of everything to the last detail.

you don't need new pistons unless something is broken on them OR the cylinders are ovalled or something and need to be over bored. but just a hone, if needed, won't require you to get new pistons.

clean the pistons well and check the ring lands of the pistons, wrist pin areas, etc. for cracks. i'd re-ring them, for sure.

H23_del_soul

Ordered it today Amazon had it for 5 bucks shipped, vatozone was 25 plus tax.

Do I need to keep everything in a specific order like if taking a head apart, or can I just take it apart and throw the bolts of one type in a ziploc and the bolts of another in another ziploc all labeled? I can take it all apart and then put it all back together in any order right? The piston from Cyl. 1 can go in Cyl. 3 when I reassemble it with the wrist pin from piston # 2 right?


Also, how should I clean all the internals? I assume acetone and an angle grinder is not the best idea How do I check them to make sure there usable? Can I just take pics of them and post the pics, or will you not be able to tell without seeing them first hand?

EJeff8

^Some bolts are specific to where they go. Like when I put my knock sensor in, I took off my IM. It had two different types of nuts and I kept them all in the specific order I pulled them off on.

H23_del_soul

Ok, so here's my work/questions/pics for the day...


Ok, I guess this is the oil pickup/pump right? do I need to do anything to it besides clean it? Are there any internals I need to take out and clean and re-seal before I re-use it? Anything I need to replace on this? this is on the 15.

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Water pump from the 15, looks good, but for 20 bones I might as well replace this thing, lol. Plus it has a lifetime wattenty so I can swap this one in a few months for a new one and the VOILA', extra in case I need it

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Here is the place where the water pump goes, looks pretty good anything I need to do here besides clean the old gasket material off before the new one goes on?






And now get ready to **** yo pants, this **** is 17 and up ONLY...trust me, it's BAD!
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Ok, here is the ****ing water pump from the 16, I think I might be good...... FOR ME TO POOP ON! Sorry, the insult dog saw the pump.

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And here is what it looked like on the inside, there was just rust sitting in it. The coolant pipe was just as bad

EJeff8

That thing needs a good tank dip.