98civdx

I need a timing belt, and water pump really bad, I was looking around on eBay and saw this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GATES...Q5fAccessories

It's considerably cheaper then Honda, and I have heard good things about Gates Timing belts. I am mainly just wondering if it's good or bad?

What's your take on it?

I most likely will just get OEM, but If i can save $100 what the hell.

Thanks guys/girls.

egsleepercivic

I had one for 90k on b16a with no issues, would use again.


*edit I only used the belt went oem on the rest

98civdx

Ok, Thanks.

I doubt i'll still have the engine for another 90k lol

94EG8

Gates make good belts (actually Gates makes the Y7/Y8 belts for Honda, if you get one from the dealership it will have both the Gates logo and the Honda logo stamped on it) I'd go OEM on the waterpump though. I've seen too many aftermarket ones fail way too early.

Sonia's Driver

It've used the Gates timing belt kit that containes the belt and the tensioner. I would use a Gates belt again, but I've become more savvy with buying genuine parts online, so I might choose genuine in the future.
I also replaced the water pump and cam seal at the same time.

IMO - the cause of most water pump failures is probably associated with the addition of incompatible coolant to the cooling system which resulted in a gritty precipitate that causes premature failure in the WP seal and gasket.

94EG8

I've seen lots fail just because they were made from poor components. Most of them were running Prestone Green coolant before and after. Best combo I've found is genuine Honda water pump and genuine Honda coolant though.

98civdx

I heard they did, but wasn't 100% sure.

I've seen them fail as well, actually, will be doing mine and my friends at the same time. He used a Nappa pump that didn't make it 20k.


How long did the pump/tensioner last? What were the problems with it?



I've always ran Prestone coolant, Don't remember the color though.

Right now, I've got pretty much just water in it.

I'll likely switch to Honda coolant after I get everything fixed.

Thanks for the help guys!

Sonia's Driver

It's only been ~5k miles and no problems yet.

98civdx

Ok, thanks man.

Is it required to change the tensioner out when doing the belt?

LazyAzn

I bought the Gates timing belt kit off of Amazon for $40 and the water pump from the dealership. 4k and no problems yet.

kab00m

I've used the gates belt and water pump on a friends '00 Civic EX. He logs some mileage on the car driving between two towns. You should be able to buy with confidence.

I would replace the tensioner as cheap insurance. Nothing like doing more work than you have to.

JDM B20 EH2

Which Honda coolant is it for these? Is it the Blue coolant? At a body shop I worked at years ago had a Civic come in will 1200 miles on it and it has blue coolant in it.

98civdx

Thanks.

I was going to replace it, I was just wondering if you have to becuase I have heard of people not replacing it.


My local dealer says there only 1 kind. It's blue and $17 a gallon.

90_EX_Civic

i have seen a nappa pump fail. looked like the blades actually where to big and the blades where touching the water ports on the inside. pump seized, and basically snapped the timing belt.


id say get ether a gates/oem belt, oem water pump.

it's a toss up for the tensioner and front main seal.

94EG8

I almost never replace them due them costing more than the waterpump. If it feels bad I will replace it, but usually they're ok.

You can still get the green stuff over here, it's a deep emerald green over the typical neon green. The blue stuff is called type 2.

98civdx

That's my my worry. When his pump stopped, it took a couple teeth with it.

I deffinetly will never be putting that napa crap in my car. I have napa wires, and they're getting tossed lol

I haven't been looking much, but I haven't found gates belts by them selves.

I have OEM water pump for 65, belt 30, tensioner for 42, and seal I think is like 12 or something.

On ebay for 140ish I I found timing belt, pump, and the 3 other belts, from Honda dealer.

let's say I choose not to replace the tensioner, what could happen?
Wont tension the belt right, and it comes off?

98civdx

Really? The dealer wants $130 for the pump, I didn't ask how much the tensioner was.
But I found everything for $140 from Honda on ebay, and then I could just pick up the seals for not much more.

How would I chceck if it's good or bad? What should I be looking for.

94EG8

You dealer is insane. I think the last Y7 pump I ordered was about $88, and normally we get completely shafted here in Canada. To check the tensioner just see that it rolls freely and doesn't sound dry or rough. If it does go bad it'll seize and the timing belt will rub against it, at some point it will wear through the belt.

98civdx

Damn, I am going to look on Majestic or Hondapartunlimited and see what I can find.

I belive I saw it for $65 but it was a while ago.

I'll deffinetly check that, I really hope I don't have to replace it.

Thank you very much!

SeanK325

check amazon.com too. i got my Gates Timing Component Kit for real cheap.

98civdx

I checked amazon for a second, but I really didn't find anything.

I did find this though--
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:en

Or, hondapartsunlimited has a belt/pump for $100
Then I figure $20 for the cam seal and main seal.

SeanK325

what's the application on this?

98civdx

D16y7

SeanK325

Gates tck224

amazon.com/Gates-TCK224-Timing-Belt-Component/dp/B000C2WLT4/ref=au_pf_ss_4?ie=UTF8&Model=Civic%7C752&n=1568418 1&s=automotive&Make=Honda%7C59&Year=1998%7C1998&ca rId=062

SeanK325

Not a bad deal on eBay for all that but you could probably get all those belts on amazon for cheap. Gates belts, too.