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Old 12-19-2014, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by axis11
You are jumping the positive wire.
Im asking you to run a wire so you can eliminate the possibility of a faulty ground. Or do as RonJ said and measure resistance. Sanding or good looking grounds doesnt guarantee anything.
Ohhh.. So with jumper cables one to the neg and just touch the starter anywhere?? Never done it this way
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Yeah there are 2 grounding points near the driver side dash. I know about this because I couldn't get the power door locks, windows to work. Then I remembered to check for ground and sure enough there was one I missed because it was sitting behind a bulky harness.

Pics?? If you can please. Half the dash torn.
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Do you have a multimeter? If so, post a picture of it.
No I don't. I can go buy one when I'm done with work later. And I'll post a pic
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thats the problem, never buy anything electrical from them, a bad starter will work fine out of the car because there is no resistance to the motor turning, but with it having to turn the engine, there won't be enough current flowing across the solenoid contacts to turn the motor, 90 percent of starter problems are bad contacts in the solenoid, they use the cheapest **** re builders there are, and if a part can barely meet spec, it goes back in
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Hmmmmm....i was kinda thinking the same thing. But my car does do all kinds of weird things soooo idk..
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Should be able to see it by the lower kick panel, above the a white rectangle control box for the alarm. One grounding point is copper and the other is just a ring terminal. Can't miss it because theres a bunch of wires going to them, mostly black colored wires. They both go to separate harnesses.
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Get a flash light and prepare to be in a tight spot, unless you remove the driver seat.
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Off to work. Be back in around 12hrs. I'll pick up voltmeter and post pic after work. Thanks for the reply.
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easy test, if the starter there now isn't working, hook a wire to the solenoid terminal, the small terminal on the starter, wire it through an inline fuse to be safe, and touch it to battery positive, make sure the car is in park or neutral, if the starter still doesn't work ,you have ruled out any issue in the car.
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Do you have a multimeter? If so, post a picture of it.


Just got this and just got off of work.
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
easy test, if the starter there now isn't working, hook a wire to the solenoid terminal, the small terminal on the starter, wire it through an inline fuse to be safe, and touch it to battery positive, make sure the car is in park or neutral, if the starter still doesn't work ,you have ruled out any issue in the car.
The one now is working. For now
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Originally Posted by tony_2018
Should be able to see it by the lower kick panel, above the a white rectangle control box for the alarm. One grounding point is copper and the other is just a ring terminal. Can't miss it because theres a bunch of wires going to them, mostly black colored wires. They both go to separate harnesses.
OK I'll look into that tomorrow morn. I have an OEM Honda alarm so...would it be in the same place?
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Originally Posted by superspadez
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Ignition key off

Set up multimeter as shown in diagram.

Touch one meter probe to body of starter motor and other meter probe to the (-) battery post. What is the Ohm reading?


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I have an OEM Honda alarm
Do you have a security system or just the keyless locking system?
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even if it's working now, any electrical you get from autozone is probably going to fail soon anyway, I wish I had taken pictures of the alternator I took back for a friend of mine, brand new "rebuilt" it looked like someone had taken a drill to the bolt holes and wallowed them out, there was grit and dirt visible on the windings, and this was straight from the rebuilders, they take them from scrap yards, and anything that looks like it might be salvageable, goes right back in, the idiot manager at that autozone tried to argue that it didn't matter that the bolt holes were screwed, and it would "work" just fine, not for 120 bucks it sure wouldn't, maby from a junkyard, but not rebuilt. Like I said, find out what brand the local car sparkies use, and use that, they don't want to eat the labor from crap parts having to be replaced, so they only use good stuff
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Do you have a security system or just the keyless locking system?
Probly just the keyless system. Has a panic button
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Probly just the keyless system. Has a panic button
Yeah, just keyless.
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Ignition key off

Set up multimeter as shown in diagram.

Touch one meter probe to body of starter motor and other meter probe to the (-) battery post. What is the Ohm reading?


It reads 2.6
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It reads 2.6
Good^. Was this done when the key didn't work to crank the engine? If so, there are additional multimeter tests that can be done to pinpoint the problem.
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Good^. Was this done when the key didn't work to crank the engine? If so, there are additional multimeter tests that can be done to pinpoint the problem.
Yeah. I just opens the hood and did what you said. Well I'm all ears on more of the test
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Check whether the engine cranks with the key. If not:

Dial your multimeter to the 20V setting.

1) With the key off, measure voltage to body ground at the starter cable terminal.

2) With the key held in the ON(III)/START position, measure voltage to body ground at the starter solenoid terminal (S terminal).





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if voltage is reaching the solonoid terminal with the key turned over, then you can pretty much rule out everything inside of the car, take off your grounds, clean them really well and clean the area where they contact the body, you can have an invisible layer of corrosion which can stop a starter from getting enough current
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Check whether the engine cranks with the key. If not:

Dial your multimeter to the 20V setting.

1) With the key off, measure voltage to body ground at the starter cable terminal.

2) With the key held in the ON(III)/START position, measure voltage to body ground at the starter solenoid terminal (S terminal).






Well the first reading was inconsistant. Couldn't really tell

And the second was like .79 max?
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Well the first reading was inconsistant. Couldn't really tell

And the second was like .79 max?
Describe what your meter probes were touching when you did the tests.
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Describe what your meter probes were touching when you did the tests.
In the first one the armature housing and the b terminal like in the pic

And then housing and solinoid terminal. S terminal
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Measure voltage across the two battery posts - red probe to (+) post and black probe to (-) post.


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