HaleLude

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"This is the kind of thing that John Concialdi thinks about on the throne. A Helmholtz resonator is a proven, time honored way of bouncing intake pulses back down the intake for a mild supercharging effect. AEM managed to create such a resonator with it's concentric tube design and a few hundred dyno pulls.
The result is absolutely ridiculous power gains for an intake, like 16.9 Hp and 14 lb-ft of torque on a '00 Civic DX." SCC March 2003

Now I'm a 98 Prelude ownner so excuse my ignorance but I don't know the engine code of a 00 Civic DX by heart and/or it's engine torque #s but i did believe them to be below 130 Hp and 110 of lb-ft at the flywheel. I also believe that AEM is not prone to release flywheel #s but rather at-wheel #s. My main question is what do you guys think of these claims and the product overall.

acydphryck

oh ****...here we go again...the same fawkin' arguments over intake and hp gain...fawk...this will never end.

Evs-One

it's not an argument, geez, read the post. He's obviously a Luder and wants to know if we know the facts, or if AEM's pullin a quick one.

I think the gains sound good, but would like to experience first hand.

integobsession

AEM has my car right now a 2001 GS-R and they've actually finished making the v2 CAI for the GS-R... I don't know what hp gains it has made... but I know that they've finsihed with my car basically... I'll post some numbers once I find out...

HaleLude

My main deal with this is that it's not like some Tornado-esque product that is pure hype form a no-name company, but rather AEM which I think in most people's opinion offers quality products that deliver real gains. For instance if they lie about claims they're gonna get caght by either a magazine or a person like us that decides to dyno test it.

BackSideSA

if it can produce numbers like that then ill be getting one for my hatch

00-ITR-373

If it wasn't cold and snowy here I'd have one on my hatch and dyno'd by now. I'm going to try it. Sell the old one and get this one, not that much $$$ (even if the numbers are close).
I think those numbers maybe be pretty close, but it may be just the typical spike the AEM always shows on the graph. But still the plots they posted in a few of the mag adds, looked like it gained on the Original AEM almost throughout the rev range.

stevecockrill

I don't have the March 03 issue so I can't see if there's any more information given, but its possible that this is the maximum gain over the stock intake, not necessarily the power boost at peak. So if it suddenly makes an extra 16 hp for an instant at 2300 rpm where the stock intake may have dipped, its really a "non-real" gain (I mean, its real, but won't make any difference worth a ****!).

Here's my example:



Ignoring the peak gains at ~6500 rpm, you can see a pretty big difference at ~4800 rpm in the horsepower lines.

Is there more info in the article, or a dyno plot that someone can scan?

Steve

wilsel

That's what I'm saying. I haven't seen a graph yet, but I'm still suspicous. It may give 16 hp at one RPM range, but probably produces 16 hp less than stock at the other end of the graph. So really they are just moving the power around, how much peak HP is it producing?

nsxmatt

Alot of tests for intakes the car already has a exhaust and header and the stock airbox is the bottleneck. Throw any intake on there and yes you will see big gains. The intake alone will not make a ton of power though. But knowing AEM the intake should make some impressive numbers based on what they have done in the past. I myself don't know about the new intake, looks kinda funny to me. I'll keep my old AEM for now

95hbMatt

would like to know the power increase is over the v1 AEM CAI...like said above it's obviously gonna make considerable power compared to stock but I want to see a graph comparing the v1 and v2 AEM CAIs!

stevecockrill

True. FYI, for the plot above, the intake is the ONLY mod.

Steve

Shua derson

Ive seen that same article and **** myself when i saw intake with numbers like that. So probably like everyone else i am curious. does anyone know the average cost.

FifthGearOnline

SWEEEET!!!!!!!!

there is hope for the DX after all!!!


dX pOwAh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sparq

Being AEM, I dont think the numbers are crap - but doesnt AEM advertise 10hp gains on the V1 design? So that would be +5-6hp on the V1 design for the V2 intake...

Stock DX is listed @ 106hp - seen dynos @ 96 WHP

So 16hp would be like 17% increase to the wheels... If this works to this effect for ALL Honda motors, lude owners can expect 25-30hp as ive seen Ludes dyno from 160hp-175hp in stock trim. Pretty amazing, id like to see someone throw it on a stock car and show the numbers, as well as one with a few mods like header, full exhaust and maybe some cams. Sounds good though

ProEater

one thing u have to realize, is that if aem actually got those gains it was under there circumstances. like air temp, engine ect. they also can do a million dynos in a lab until they get the numbers they are looking for. and they advertised around a 10 hp gain with the original cai...after i put my dc 4-2-1 header, thermal engineering exhaust and aem cai on i only got 10 whp gain from stock. so go figure.

EDIT: my car is a 99 si


[Modified by ProEater, 10:35 PM 1/29/2003]

joe_bocc

What happen to Integobsession? I really want to see the numbers from his GS-R!!!

SOHC_MShue

hmm..this v2 intake sounds like a good idea. Hopefully it will be producing the numbers AEM sais it should.

BackSideSA

wonder what my LS would gain from this???

Hatchy-Ownzjo0

130 x .17 = 22.1.. so if it is a constant 17% increase on all Honda engines, then you can expect to gain 22.1 horses. But i doubt this is the case.. like the guy with the SI said.. after AEM V1, exhaust, and header he only gained 10 WHP.. A CAI alone will not gain more than 5 whp.. that is just the way it is. Like the other person said.. they test under their conditions until they get it right. Don't expect to see numbers like this from a CAI, it is just not realistic.

Carlo

either way it probably won't be worth spending more money for it if you already have an intake.

at the end of the day an intake is just an intake right? 1 hp here and there really isn't going to justify buying another intake if you already have one right?

hulkhb

they talk aboutit here :
http://www.aempower.com/new_product.htm

euclid

tuning can play a big part in this too, if aem also hooked up their fuel mapping ecu, they could have made like 3000rpm (or another area that would run lean on stock ecu) and gotten the perfect air/fuel mix for it you know? those numbers are huge, esp for a dx, i would never expect more than 10hp from any intake on a bseries, let alone a non-vtec dseries.

IS3Fifty

heres my input.... an intake is an intake for hondas. there is no possible chance of that high of Hp gains, Unless highly modified like a drag car.

nd8ch

i saw this post, and had to reply.

First, people dont dyno cars with real life conditions like weather, normal engine temp, wind. We dont know how cold the test station is, and if the coldair piping is cold, you will get better than stock results, if the pipe is hot (as it would be in normal driving conditions from engine heat) your result suck. Also, if the intake mani is all warmed up from normal driving, it will show slower results than a car that was running for 5 minutes. Engine temp alone can effect hp in stock form. The v2 cold air is probably better than the original since the insulates more heat away from the inner pipe so more consistency, but in reall driving conditions, it proabbly will do the same exact thing as the orignal on a cold day. Dont believe that sound waves crap theory...as sound waves are truely dependent on airtemp. almost all intakes are better than stock, but comparing cold air to another cold air is comparing like hair lengths. At most, this new intake will probably give you 2-5% increase.
17Hp from cold air intake? cost like a few hundred? 30-40 hp with turbo/supercharger. half the hp and a small fraction of the cost? nothing in life is that good