Shop says it's the HG
01-09-2014, 11:22 AM
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Shop says it's the HG
So my dad gives me a call at 10 am this morning, I'm at work. "Can you pick me up?"
He said he was driving, had some surging, saw smoke. He pulled over, opened up the hood and couldn't get the car to start. When it started it was surging and would die.
So I showed up. I opened the radiator cap up, didn't see coolant. Said it looked empty to me. Overflow was empty. He said it didn't over heat and it had only been 15 minutes since he was driving it and his temp sensor was below the mid way point. I checked the ATF, it was fine. The oil was right on the money. I could smell something burnt. I was thinking it was the alternator. I gave the car a crank, started smooth as butter. I put it in nuetral and ran it through the rev range, letting it idle out after I held it at each RPM. I did 3k, 4k, 5k and let it idle. It bogged once but kept running. I saw no smoke. It seemed fine to me.
I followed him to the shop. I saw a little white smoke, but it looked like vapors to me because it's been raining. So I dismissed that. He didn't have a CEL or anything.
We get to the shop, drop it off. And they call him back and say it is the head gasket. They said the radiator is empty.
It's a 2007 (mabye '06 or '08) and I don't know much about the newer cars. It's a R18 I think, motor wise. LX trim iirc.
I am going to check the compression, check the rad fluid again, check the spark plugs, check the oil, and see if I can determine if it is the HG. If it is, how hard are the head gaskets on these motors? The engine bay is pretty cramped. If someone could give me a quick link or something, that'd be great. I've rebuilt a D and B series, so I imagine it will be similar. The problem I see is the engine compartment is very small and the motor isn't easy to work around.
Well, any help I can get would be great. I don't think he has the money to pay a shop to do it. And $100 for the gasket plus $100 for new bolts is way better than what they would charge.
He said he was driving, had some surging, saw smoke. He pulled over, opened up the hood and couldn't get the car to start. When it started it was surging and would die.
So I showed up. I opened the radiator cap up, didn't see coolant. Said it looked empty to me. Overflow was empty. He said it didn't over heat and it had only been 15 minutes since he was driving it and his temp sensor was below the mid way point. I checked the ATF, it was fine. The oil was right on the money. I could smell something burnt. I was thinking it was the alternator. I gave the car a crank, started smooth as butter. I put it in nuetral and ran it through the rev range, letting it idle out after I held it at each RPM. I did 3k, 4k, 5k and let it idle. It bogged once but kept running. I saw no smoke. It seemed fine to me.
I followed him to the shop. I saw a little white smoke, but it looked like vapors to me because it's been raining. So I dismissed that. He didn't have a CEL or anything.
We get to the shop, drop it off. And they call him back and say it is the head gasket. They said the radiator is empty.
It's a 2007 (mabye '06 or '08) and I don't know much about the newer cars. It's a R18 I think, motor wise. LX trim iirc.
I am going to check the compression, check the rad fluid again, check the spark plugs, check the oil, and see if I can determine if it is the HG. If it is, how hard are the head gaskets on these motors? The engine bay is pretty cramped. If someone could give me a quick link or something, that'd be great. I've rebuilt a D and B series, so I imagine it will be similar. The problem I see is the engine compartment is very small and the motor isn't easy to work around.
Well, any help I can get would be great. I don't think he has the money to pay a shop to do it. And $100 for the gasket plus $100 for new bolts is way better than what they would charge.
01-09-2014, 11:44 AM
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Re: Shop says it's the HG
Fill the car back up with coolant (the right coolant, not any old bullshit), purge it, and let it circulate.
Drive down to Vatozone, and rent the tester they have for checking headgaskets. It's a little tube that clips onto your radiator where your cap goes. You fill it with a fluid that turns blue if it senses any combustion gasses are coming through. No combustion gasses = no head gasket.
Also, pop your oil cap off and check for signs of moisture or 'mayonnaise' looking goop.
Drive down to Vatozone, and rent the tester they have for checking headgaskets. It's a little tube that clips onto your radiator where your cap goes. You fill it with a fluid that turns blue if it senses any combustion gasses are coming through. No combustion gasses = no head gasket.
Also, pop your oil cap off and check for signs of moisture or 'mayonnaise' looking goop.
01-09-2014, 12:07 PM
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Re: Shop says it's the HG
Recall #08-044 which is now 10-048
Warranty Extension: Engine Block
(Supersedes 10-048, dated June 17, 2011, to revise the information marked by the black bars)
REVISION SUMMARY
• In Applies To, the VIN ranges were replaced with
instructions to do a VIN status inquiry..
• Under BACKGROUND, CUSTOMER
NOTIFICATION, and WARRANTY CLAIM
INFORMATION, the warranty extension was
increased to 10 years.
BACKGROUND
On some 2006–08 and early production 2009 Civics,
the engine (cylinder) block may leak engine coolant,
resulting in engine overheating. To increase customer
confidence, American Honda is extending the warranty
of the engine block to 10 years from the original date of
purchase, with no mileage limit.
The warranty extension does not apply to any vehicle
that has ever been declared a total loss or sold for
salvage by a financial institution or insurer, or has a
branded, or similar title under any state's law. To
check for vehicle eligibility, you must do a VIN
status inquiry.
CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Customers were originally sent a notification of this
warranty extension that indicated the warranty on the
engine block was being extended to eight years. They
will receive another notification that the warranty on the
block is being extended to 10 years.
Before beginning work on a vehicle, verify its eligibility
by doing a VIN status inquiry and by making sure the
customer has a notification letter.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
If confirmed by your diagnosis, install a new engine
block.
Warranty Extension: Engine Block
(Supersedes 10-048, dated June 17, 2011, to revise the information marked by the black bars)
REVISION SUMMARY
• In Applies To, the VIN ranges were replaced with
instructions to do a VIN status inquiry..
• Under BACKGROUND, CUSTOMER
NOTIFICATION, and WARRANTY CLAIM
INFORMATION, the warranty extension was
increased to 10 years.
BACKGROUND
On some 2006–08 and early production 2009 Civics,
the engine (cylinder) block may leak engine coolant,
resulting in engine overheating. To increase customer
confidence, American Honda is extending the warranty
of the engine block to 10 years from the original date of
purchase, with no mileage limit.
The warranty extension does not apply to any vehicle
that has ever been declared a total loss or sold for
salvage by a financial institution or insurer, or has a
branded, or similar title under any state's law. To
check for vehicle eligibility, you must do a VIN
status inquiry.
CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Customers were originally sent a notification of this
warranty extension that indicated the warranty on the
engine block was being extended to eight years. They
will receive another notification that the warranty on the
block is being extended to 10 years.
Before beginning work on a vehicle, verify its eligibility
by doing a VIN status inquiry and by making sure the
customer has a notification letter.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
If confirmed by your diagnosis, install a new engine
block.
01-09-2014, 12:24 PM
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Re: Shop says it's the HG
Recall #08-044 which is now 10-048
Warranty Extension: Engine Block
(Supersedes 10-048, dated June 17, 2011, to revise the information marked by the black bars)
REVISION SUMMARY
• In Applies To, the VIN ranges were replaced with
instructions to do a VIN status inquiry..
• Under BACKGROUND, CUSTOMER
NOTIFICATION, and WARRANTY CLAIM
INFORMATION, the warranty extension was
increased to 10 years.
BACKGROUND
On some 2006–08 and early production 2009 Civics,
the engine (cylinder) block may leak engine coolant,
resulting in engine overheating. To increase customer
confidence, American Honda is extending the warranty
of the engine block to 10 years from the original date of
purchase, with no mileage limit.
The warranty extension does not apply to any vehicle
that has ever been declared a total loss or sold for
salvage by a financial institution or insurer, or has a
branded, or similar title under any state's law. To
check for vehicle eligibility, you must do a VIN
status inquiry.
CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Customers were originally sent a notification of this
warranty extension that indicated the warranty on the
engine block was being extended to eight years. They
will receive another notification that the warranty on the
block is being extended to 10 years.
Before beginning work on a vehicle, verify its eligibility
by doing a VIN status inquiry and by making sure the
customer has a notification letter.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
If confirmed by your diagnosis, install a new engine
block.
Warranty Extension: Engine Block
(Supersedes 10-048, dated June 17, 2011, to revise the information marked by the black bars)
REVISION SUMMARY
• In Applies To, the VIN ranges were replaced with
instructions to do a VIN status inquiry..
• Under BACKGROUND, CUSTOMER
NOTIFICATION, and WARRANTY CLAIM
INFORMATION, the warranty extension was
increased to 10 years.
BACKGROUND
On some 2006–08 and early production 2009 Civics,
the engine (cylinder) block may leak engine coolant,
resulting in engine overheating. To increase customer
confidence, American Honda is extending the warranty
of the engine block to 10 years from the original date of
purchase, with no mileage limit.
The warranty extension does not apply to any vehicle
that has ever been declared a total loss or sold for
salvage by a financial institution or insurer, or has a
branded, or similar title under any state's law. To
check for vehicle eligibility, you must do a VIN
status inquiry.
CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION
Customers were originally sent a notification of this
warranty extension that indicated the warranty on the
engine block was being extended to eight years. They
will receive another notification that the warranty on the
block is being extended to 10 years.
Before beginning work on a vehicle, verify its eligibility
by doing a VIN status inquiry and by making sure the
customer has a notification letter.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
If confirmed by your diagnosis, install a new engine
block.
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01-17-2014, 04:12 PM
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Any ideas as to why Honda would not fix a civic due to Salvage Title? Spoke with HONA this morning and they confirmed with me that my Vin is eligible. However, the extended warranty is null and void.
01-18-2014, 02:22 AM
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Once it's salvaged they wipe their hands clean from it too many liabilities. Happened to me as well, my del sol was salvaged and when the seat belt would not longer click, they said any warranty is void, I I had to pay out of pocket.
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