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Old 08-13-2007, 05:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mustafa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">almost all cars come from the factory with break in oil that contains special additives. It's recommended you keep that oil in to at least 3.5k</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok, but what do these additivies do that normal oil doesent...not tyring to be ultra hater BTW
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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (MessGSR)

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Added NOTHING to this thread thanks
And your response did?


Here's what Honda's Owner Link website had to say:
http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/M...atoil (you're going to need a Honda Owner Link username/password. Your salesperson should've sent you this info after buying your car.)

Originally Posted by Honda Owner Link
MOTOR OIL FAQS
What type of oil should I use?
Always use Honda Genuine Oil, available at your Honda dealer. When Honda Genuine oil is not available, it is very important to choose an oil displaying the "Starburst" certification symbol, shown below. This symbol indicates that the oil meets the latest performance requirements set by the automotive and oil industries. Oil bearing the Starburst will provide superior performance in the areas of deposit and sludge protection, wear protection, and oil life. These oils will also protect the environment by extending the life of your emissions system and conserving energy through better fuel economy.

American Honda recommends the use of Honda Genuine oil for your vehicle. This oil meets the Starburst performance requirements listed above, but is also subjected to a series of Honda-specific tests to guarantee optimum performance and compatibility with your Honda vehicle.

Refer to your owner's manual to determine the proper weight (viscosity) grade for your Honda . Your vehicle was designed to use this specific weight grade. Confirm that the weight listed on your oil's label matches this recommendation exactly before using it in your engine.

What about synthetic motor oils?
You may use a synthetic motor oil if it meets the same requirements listed above. That is, it must display the Starburst symbol, and match the weight grade recommended in your owner's manual.

When using synthetic oil, you must follow the oil and filter change intervals given in the maintenance schedule.

<FONT COLOR="red">Why should I wait to change the oil the first time?
Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural" wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing process.

American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual, based on your specific driving conditions.</FONT>

How often should I change my oil after the first service?
Refer to your owner's manual for the recommended service intervals. Separate maintenance schedules are listed for "normal service" and "severe service." Read the description of severe service carefully. Most vehicles will fall under the normal service category. Note that the service intervals are listed by time in addition to distance. Your oil should be changed at whichever interval, time or distance, occurs first.

There is absolutely no benefit in changing your oil more frequently than recommended in your owner's manual. This will only increase your cost of ownership, and create an unnecessary burden upon the environment by increasing the amount of disposed oil.

Do not exceed the recommended maintenance interval. Oil eventually deteriorates and loses its ability to protect your engine, due to heat, friction, and exposure to exhaust components. Engine oil contains special additives to enhance the oil's performance, and these additives are also broken down or consumed with distance and time. Engine damage can occur if the proper maintenance schedule is not followed.

What's a "crush washer" and why is it important to my Honda?
As a Honda owner, the crush washer you should be most concerned with is the one that must be replaced every time you change your motor oil. This crush washer fits between your oil pan and the drain plug. It is a one-time-use washer. Discard the old washer at each oil change and replace with a new one. If you have your oil changed at any service outlet other than a Honda dealer, remind them of the importance to use a new crush washer.

When a new washer is installed and the drain plug is tightened, this washer "crushes" to form a very tight seal, thereby preventing motor oil leaks without overstressing the oil pan threads.

Oil changers who are not aware of its importance may think it's OK to re-use this washer. Since it has already been crushed, it will not collapse further. As a result, the installer may overtighten the drain plug to get a tight fit. This can eventually lead to stripped threads in the oil pan -- a very expensive repair.

This is another example of why your Honda dealer is the easy choice for your service needs. Honda dealers know your Honda best.

What about oil additives?
American Honda recommends against the use of any oil additives other than those already blended in the stock oil. Such supplemental additives are unnecessary when using quality oils displaying the Starburst certification symbol. Additives cannot prolong the life of a used oil, because the oil molecules have been broken down. The use of oil additives will increase your cost of ownership, and can lead to engine damage.

Does my Honda's oil system require periodic flushing?
American Honda strongly recommends against this process, which is sometimes called "engine flushing." Any engine damage resulting from this procedure will not be covered under warranty.
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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (mustafa)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mustafa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

that makes no sense at all. I don't think there's any car on the market that samples it's own oil.. How could it possibly do that anyway? The oil life indication is based on things like rpm, idle time, cold starts, distance, and duration of last oil change wich is a pretty damn good measuremeant of oil condition. </TD></TR></TABLE>

How could it possibly sense the oil condition? I have no idea, I'm no engineer. Then again, I have no idea how to build a spaceship, an interal combustion engine, etc etc, and I'm sure you don't either. All I'm pointing out is that all it really does is base it on the time since you last did it. Can you not remember to just change it every 5k miles?
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i heard mobile one burns up rapidly in the k series engines!!!

correct me if i am wrong
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First change for me was 5,000, wait till that and save your money. The oil meter is there to help
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Interesting, after I read that link from the online "owner's manual" deal.

First of all, i changed my oil at 3500 to Royal Purple synthetic, and changed the oil filter. My maintenance minder read 50% I believe.

I'm curious if there is any problem with me using one of those nylon washers instead of a copper crush washer. When I was at the shop, I looked, and they had like 3 or 4 different kinds of oil plug washers. They had nylon, copper crush, and some odd looking metal/rubber washer.

There isn't going to be a problem with me using a nylon washer (proper fitting) instead of a copper crush washer is there?
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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (DaddyLongLegs)

I was having the oil changed every 3500-4000, Still would read 50%, then I noticed my dealership would start extending the Milage that I should change it at. The last change they put 5-15% so I'm going to let it go to around that before I change this time. If you do it yourself then it's your own judgement but around 4000 miles is usually a safe mark to change at. If you really want to figure it out take some oil samples and send them in for analysis. Then compare regular vs. synthetic etc..
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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (DaddyLongLegs)

The original oil in the car from the factory contains special additives that you cant get anywhere, the dealer I work at is recomending changing oil at 4k-4700 miles.
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These cars are being manufactured to be more efficient. Therefore the car can go longer without needing an oil change without hurting anything in the engine.
For your first oil change, wait until the gauge actually hits 15%. It will ensure that you get a good break-in, which is important in order to get a good seal between cylinders and rings.
Just some advise, if you drive the car normally (around town, speed limit, no crazy driving), you can follow the oil life gauge no problem. The car will go just over 6000 miles before the oil life gauge hits 15%, which is when they recommend you change the oil. If you change it more often, it WON'T hurt anything, but as said if you drive the car normally is not needed, and you can save some cash.
If you race or drive the car hard, then I would suggest you change the oil more often than the recommended period. Atleast it would ensure you have clean oil, and that any elements in the engine are being filtered out. I would stick to 3000 miles between intervals.
Remember when they write the manual, they write it assuming you're going to drive the car like a normal person and taking into consideration the speed limits and average road conditions.

If you go modding the car, you're definitely going beyond what Honda intended for the average driver out there, therefore change it more often.
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quick question. this is probably off topic but im wondering. ive heard people saying that if you change your oil for the first time you're not suppose to use synthetic? is that correct? and what's the reason behind it?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SacrificeTheory &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Change it every 5,000 miles. Thats what I do, and have no problems yet. </TD></TR></TABLE>

same here
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Default Re: (blahstar)-mobil 1 burning up in K series

from what I have read, yes it has a tendency to burn up a little bit.

I have been running conventional oil in my car (04 RSX-S) since it was purchased new. I have started to participate in HPDE's and Auto X frequently. (Have changed over to Castrol GTX) I change the oil about once per mo.,(due to mileage of daily driver and HPDE events; no change after auto X) not had one issue mechanically with the engine-no leaks etc... If I start to get involved with longer running events I might switch to Synthetic due to break down of the oil viscosity, but until then, I am keeping what little money I have.

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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (elohel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elohel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How could it possibly sense the oil condition? I have no idea, I'm no engineer. Then again, I have no idea how to build a spaceship, an interal combustion engine, etc etc, and I'm sure you don't either. All I'm pointing out is that all it really does is base it on the time since you last did it. Can you not remember to just change it every 5k miles?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ECU datalogs. Same way the dealer can tell if you've hit the rev limiter.

The ECU uses information like how often you're under load, constant RPM or changing (city or highway basically), how much time spent in vtec, etc. and a formula calculates how much wear the oil "should" have seen.

not like the old school mileage based systems (you know, just changing at a preset mileage) and time is really only one of the variables used to calculate oil condition

bottom line: Use the oil meter, it's smarter than you.. lol
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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (IT GUY)

Hi all,
I have a 2007 HCH with about 7,000 miles on the odo. I drive lightly and 70%fwy/30% city. Oil life currently at 10%. Salesman said do the first oil change when it hits 0%, service department says 3,000 or 5,000 depending on who you talk to. Should I wait until it hits 0% or do it now? Thanks!
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Default Re: Change oil even though meter says 70%? (mochaman)

Do it now.

FYI, ExxonMobil brews Honda's Genuine oil.


Modified by Gilgamesh at 11:36 AM 9/11/2007
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