Pothole987

hense you quoted me the answer makes no sense.... :S
?? i dont understand? how am i spending more money than necessary? i use regular oil in my car?

EM2abe

I would stop using the Penzoil and fram filters. If you've ever cut a fram filter in half, you'll notice that its just a wadded up sock inside of a metal casing. Use a Bosch, STP, or Mobil.. AND as for the Penzoil, it gets dirty so much faster than castrol or Mobil 1. If you're low on $$ or you just dont want to spend a lot on oil, go with quaker state... it is litterally just as good as Castrol. Just a different name. I stick to this religiously because I've seen the differences first hand. A better oil filter = better oil flow/filtering. Better oil = less **** in your engine, and longer lasting motor.



ALSO- in my opinion, I don't care what the manual says or what anyone else says about when oil should be changed... If I am not using full synthetic, then I will change both OIL and FILTER every 3,000 miles. If I AM running full synthetic, I will change both OIL AND FILTER after 5,000 miles.

I have almost 90,000 miles on my car and it runs like it's brand spanking new. and I go 90-100mph EVERY day too work and back. hahaha On the freeway of course.

Pothole987

proof of this? I want to see where you get your information. i've cutten up fram filters before and they look the exact same to honda ones on the inside.

EM2abe

Never said anything about Honda oil filters. Nevertheless, there will always bee a better aftermarket oil filter other than the Honda oil filter and I'm not going to waste time and money to prove a that point. The fact of the matter is that Bosch/STP/Mobil all make better oil filters than Fram. Fram will get the job done, yes... But Bosch/STP/Mobil oil filters will get the job done BETTER than Fram.

Kidnkorner

If users are going to follow manufacturer recommended OCI's they may as well use a conventional oil. Otherwise you are pouring you money down the drain.

You should just stop talking about oil altogether, you clearly know nothing about it.

Todays conventional motor oil is far superior to that of a decade ago, they contain so many additives that 5000 mile intervals on a modern car is easily acheivable. General consumer synthetics can easily go 7500 miles. Unless anyone is sending their oil out for analysis they are guessing at best, eye balling the oil and looking at the dip stick isn't indicative of ANYTHING!!

I have more than a handful of customers on Amsoil 0w30 and they go a year without oil changes and I send their oil out to be analyzed at the 9 month mark and they generally have 4 to 5 months left of use. It's all about filtration.

I even have a customer where I installed a bypass filtration kit on thier Honda and they havent had to change their oil in 20 months, 25,000 miles is what the outlook is.

EM2abe

Finally, someone that seems like they know something. Good input, man.

20-EM2-05

Now that's the answer that I was expecting. Good stuff.

Kidnkorner

Commercial motor vehicles such as the big rigs you see on the freeways have some pretty severe operating conditions and they go 30,000 miles between oil changes using conventional motor oil. The big difference is they come stock from the factory with oil bypass filtration systems and have 12 gallon sumps.

4ntegster

I change mine between 4 and 6k on synth realy it deponds on how you drive your car if you romp it all the time like i do in the summer then you need to change it more often.

Kidnkorner

How do you know? Do you send your oil for analysis?

I had a 2007 Civic Si and romped on my all the time, I operated the vehicle above 4000 rpms on a consistant basis. I changed my oil between 12 and 14 months.

20-EM2-05

Woah, never knew that was possible. How much mileage do you go in between 12-14 months ?

Kidnkorner

12-14k

20-EM2-05

Running any specific type of oil? Or just amsoil 0w-30?

Kidnkorner

Amsoil 0w30 with Amsoil ea013 filter.

When I do a K swap into my 92 Civic this fall I will be installing an Amsoil bypass filtration kit. The initial cost is around $300, but I will get the best filtration out there, best protection, reduce my carbon footprint on the world. This kit also increases oil capacity by an additional 2 quarts. I won't have to change my oil for at least 2 years.

briq4

Here's what I did with my car. 05 Civic Ex 5-speed purchased new.

At 6,900 miles changed over to syhthetic Amsoil 0w-30 which recommends changes at 35K or 1 year.

I changed the oil filter everytime the maintenance light came on (and rotated the tires)

First year I put 29,000 miles on it doing filter changes everytime the light came on and only have to add oil after each filter change. Oil level stays perfect otherwise.

Next year was 17,700 miles. and it just dwindled down from there.

Currently at 80,000 miles, I've changed my oil all of 5 times over the 80K. So that's averaging 16K between changes (although that first year was a LOT of miles) But I did change my filter 11 times simply becuase when the 1 year time limit hit, I figured why put new oil in with a dirty filter. Don't think it saved any money, but I figure my impact on the environment was less plus using a fully synthetic oil would prolong engine life...

I had a 93 Accord which I changed the oil with conventional oil semi-regularly at 6,500 increments, and I bought that car with 36,000 miles on it in 1996 and sold it in 2006 with 369,000 miles on it. Never had an engine problem. So not sure why I'm doing synthetic this time around?

20-EM2-05

Damn, that may seem like alot. Just asking but how much does 1 QT of Amsoil cost anyways? Never looked into it.

Because if I don't have to change oil for 10K+ miles, i'll be good for about 8-10 months.

Kidnkorner

If you use Amsoil SSO 0W30 you won't have to change your oil for 1 whole year. A lot of people order just enough oil to do an oil change but forget that they need top off oil for filter changes or if their engine drinks a little bit of oil every so often. What ever oil you get be sure to get 2 extra quarts for that purpose, that is if you are ordering oil via the web.

Maple50175

it's totally a waste of money, use whatever the recommend oil is. why spend double every oil change?

I have 243K miles boosted 8psi and i change it every week. 16 a week. not too shabby

Pothole987

you change your OIL every week? or am i mis reading something

20-EM2-05

That right there caught my attention.

Do you say you spend 20+ dollars on 5Qt of oil every week? or you change it every 16 weeks?.

That's just crazy if you do switch oil every week. Well unless you track your car every weekday for some thrill.

Even I know most F/I car that tracks usually only change their oil every 2-4 months depending how much they tracked there car

solex

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Can you recommend a bypass Kit?

I started using Royal Purple on my 03 Civic, and plan on going about 10K before changing. I have read up on the oil and read a study on the oil that was done on an air cooled engine which is much harder on oil then our water pumpers.

On another list there is a guy who has is oil checked every 10k miles he is running the same oil for 60K in a 912 but as you said filtration is the key.

vanser3004

Read the instruction on every oil. They all have different oil change interval. But you must use 5w-20 only. I did oil change by myself in my Civic'02, I used "Mobil 1 5w-20 Extended performance", fully synthetic, it's says on it : oil change interval - 15 000 miles or one year period , whatever will come first. I think it's better than 3 000 miles (sometimes every 2 months) -too often. Or you will see: "MAINT REQ D" on dashboard , it's mean that you passed 10 000 miles since your last oil change.- and it's time for oil change. Also I put BOSCH 3323 "Premium synthetic - filtech 99.9% oil filter. I don't want to put cheap because I want my car's engine is lasting longer.

chewyv

To answer your Q no I don't think you have to but i think its a good habit to get into if your lazy like me and dont check your oil every time you gas up or every week or whatever. 276xxx miles and counting. Ill be sure to make a 300000 club when I make it there hehe!

JuNiOr Ts

Im a messenger, use my em2 for deliverys
Use mobil 1 full synthetic, recommended change every 5k, but I can go another 2k no problems...when im feeling cheap haha. For gas I use plus 89, because compared to regular 87 i notice a slight increase in power at accelerating.

avichak

I used 40w in stead of honda recommended 20w and the engine just roars in the first gear. will my engine get damaged? Should I change it to 20W so I dont have to worry.