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for the street.

looking for a mild project 97 acord ex

TheMuffinMan

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What's your idea of mild?

Just the Bisimoto cams will add a decent amount of power in the stock F22B head.

I believe the best flowing F22 head however is the F22A series. (The 90-93 Accords)

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's your idea of mild?

Just the Bisimoto cams will add a decent amount of power in the stock F22B head.

I believe the best flowing F22 head however is the F22A series. (The 90-93 Accords)</TD></TR></TABLE>

daily driver type ****.

think i want to keep the orignal block becuase i live in cali. and it has ductile iron sleeves rather then FRM

i heard the f22a series heads flow second only to the s2000 heads.

which one tho?

i have a spare p28 from my civic ( motor in it wont run on the chipped p28, nah its not a b,d,h,f, series)

im just kind of mapping things out for the accord ( while mainting its daily driver aspect part of it, and fuel economy)

i also heard you can do the prelude H22 swap but i dont know if i want to do that,

i know you can do just the long block and ecu swap ( longer f22 gear ratio maintians freeway drivabilty and fuel economy)


i also would rahter NOT swap the h22a head onto my current block, beacuse it involves taking the h22a head and plugging an oil port with a piece of rubber and silicone sealant.

id rather just weld it ****, but i heard the block/cyl spacing is a couple MM apart making the motor not as realible as stock.

maybe a stock forged piston can work?

s2000 pistons? they work in the k series both ap1 and ap2 with a tsx k24a2 mod.

im also looking into keeping cruise control, so no after market and prelude(h22/h23) throttle bodies. maybe the prelude f22 t/b? is it bigger?


im also pulling the nitrous from the accord.


Modified by i drive a honda at 9:04 PM 9/28/2008

TheMuffinMan

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Lol, the s2000 is completely different, don't even think about using any of its parts.

You should do some more research on that as 90% is answered. All the transmission gear ratios, head swaps, etc.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lol, the s2000 is completely different, don't even think about using any of its parts.

You should do some more research on that as 90% is answered. All the transmission gear ratios, head swaps, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya it spins the normal way, IE k series etc.
but they figured out how to use the pump, pistons in the k and k crank in the f22


just wondering what factory parts can be used on the f and h series motors.
what i listed is what i found and reasons why i did not want to go through with them

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

NO K series parts will work on a F22A, F22B, or H22A blocks, and nothing from an F20C or F22C will work in any accord.

The only F series engine that comes close is he F20C or F22C, both S2k motors. Although they save the same block series letter, the F20C and F22C have nothing in common with the accord, even the newer accords with a K series.

If you are looking for a good, reliable fuel efficient DD, then just do the basic bolt ons and leave it at that.

Turbowa

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_DC4_Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NO K series parts will work on a F22A, F22B, or H22A blocks, and nothing from an F20C or F22C will work in any accord.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats not completely true. The K20 and some K24 pistons will work in the F22a,b and F23 with a little work.

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

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Thats not completely true. The K20 and some K24 pistons will work in the F22a,b and F23 with a little work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Allow me to rephrase my statement then.


No stock K series parts with DIRECTLY work with a F/H block.

Any piston or rod would work pending bore of the piston and length of the rod.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_DC4_Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NO K series parts will work on a F22A, F22B, or H22A blocks, and nothing from an F20C or F22C will work in any accord.

The only F series engine that comes close is he F20C or F22C, both S2k motors. Although they save the same block series letter, the F20C and F22C have nothing in common with the accord, even the newer accords with a K series.

If you are looking for a good, reliable fuel efficient DD, then just do the basic bolt ons and leave it at that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im not even asking that.

the question is:
in its most basic form ( which will probably get me flamed for using search etc even tho this confuses most of you)

WHAT ARE SOME OE PARTS THAT I CAN USE ON MY ACCORD THAT ARE BETTER OF A BETTEr QUALITY (STRONGER) OR ETTER? MORE EFFICENT IN SOME WAY ON MY F22B1 POWERED ACCORD THAT AY INCREASE PERFORMANCE WHILE RETAINING(KEEPING) THE DAILY DRIVER ASPECT (DAILY DRIVER NESSS) OF MY CAR.

I HAVE LISTED WHAT I ALREADY HAVE KNOWN AND EXPMPLES OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN.

I DO KNOW OF THE BRAKES YOU GUYS ARE USING WITH OEM PARTS.

I DO PLAN ON DOING THE ROH CONVERSION BIT I AM UNSURE IF MY ITR WHEELS WOULD FIT


that s the most f[rea]king basic way i can put it, i keep getting talked down to like i have never seen a k24 or something

sigh if you cannot asnwer my question without flaming me then point me in the direction of a BETTER more KNOWLDGEable group of peoplewho CAN

TheMuffinMan

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First lose the attitude, no one is going to help you seriously, JDM was just clarifying what does and does not work. You mentioned specifically S2000 parts which as he and I both stated do not apply to our motors.


You have multiple threads in the Accord FAQ with information on swaps, I already told you the best flowing head, you already know bisimoto cams can net you around 30ish hp with support mods and tuning.

What else are you trying to do?

Why are you limiting yourself to OEM parts? It's not like putting in F23 valve springs in an F22 will gain you power. Going aftermarket would.

- Bisimoto Cams w/ the supporting mods (I believe they're listed on his site)
- Maintenance
- I/H/E

And bam, you've netted 40 hp.

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

Lets get some things straight. Whats your definition of mild? You want a car that is still fuel efficient, but you want to add more power to it, thus killing the fuel economy?

Nobody mentioned anything about brakes, so why are you even bring it up? Also, a ROH conversion itself does NOT improve the braking performance, all it does it make it easier to change rotors in the future. You wheels will fit on either brake set up. I should know, as I wrote the DIY on the ROH conversion. To make your 96 spec ITR wheels fit, you will need a minimum 3mm spacer, or it will bind on the caliper bracket when you torqe the wheels. Dont try to use them without spacers, you will [freak] up the rims. Before you go getting all bent out of shape, or assuming I am a n00b, do a lil research. I know a thing or 2 about cars.

As for your performance parts, throw K series out the window all together.
K20 bore - 3.386"
K24 bore - 3.425"
F22 bore - 3.425"

K24 pistons look like they will fit, and they would, if you got flat top, or low comp versions. If you put a stock K24 piston, good luck on keeping your valves straight.

To answer your question, if you want OEM parts for your own reason, stick to H22/H23 parts. They are interchangeable with your motor for the most part, and other then the head, everything else is pretty much good. I would suggest H23 intake manifold, but you said you want to retain cruise control, so that wont work. Best bet is either aftermarket parts for your engine, or swap in a JDM F22B DOHC non vtec. But that raises other issues, such as OBD conversion harness, and its only a 25hp gain, etc etc.

scanlessfool

This should have everything you want.

http://www.gen5alive.com/forum...=6364

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_DC4_Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Lets get some things straight. Whats your definition of mild? You want a car that is still fuel efficient, but you want to add more power to it, thus killing the fuel economy?

Nobody mentioned anything about brakes, so why are you even bring it up? Also, a ROH conversion itself does NOT improve the braking performance, all it does it make it easier to change rotors in the future. You wheels will fit on either brake set up. I should know, as I wrote the DIY on the ROH conversion. To make your 96 spec ITR wheels fit, you will need a minimum 3mm spacer, or it will bind on the caliper bracket when you torqe the wheels. Dont try to use them without spacers, you will [freak] up the rims. Before you go getting all bent out of shape, or assuming I am a n00b, do a lil research. I know a thing or 2 about cars.

As for your performance parts, throw K series out the window all together.
K20 bore - 3.386"
K24 bore - 3.425"
F22 bore - 3.425"

K24 pistons look like they will fit, and they would, if you got flat top, or low comp versions. If you put a stock K24 piston, good luck on keeping your valves straight.

To answer your question, if you want OEM parts for your own reason, stick to H22/H23 parts. They are interchangeable with your motor for the most part, and other then the head, everything else is pretty much good. I would suggest H23 intake manifold, but you said you want to retain cruise control, so that wont work. Best bet is either aftermarket parts for your engine, or swap in a JDM F22B DOHC non vtec. But that raises other issues, such as OBD conversion harness, and its only a 25hp gain, etc etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i know the ROH doesnt increase braking performance, but waht it allows me to do is pull the rotor off wihout removing the hub, which makes changing brakes a hell of alot easier.

i have the ITR whees on my car i know if they fit or not, thanks for trying to tell me they dont fit. im using 5mm spacers. i asked if it fits after the ROH conversion. which nobody could answer, i guuess ill figure out the hard way.

ya before i was on here i bought the ITR wheels, i didnt "freak" my wheels up, yes they scraped i figured that out on my own. then i went out and got the spacer.

i don't want to put k pistons in the motor, never said i wanted to, you guys said i wanted them. and played it like i was some ricer i was giving examples of what the K scene was like.

and yes a k swap is possible they sell mount kits. but i dont want that i already have an older k powered car.

im pretty much giving up on this section of the forum, ill stick to working on the civic.

the accord scene doesnt seem too friendly. so far i learned NOTHING, just got flamed

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http://www.gen5alive.com/forum...=6364</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks man, you're pretty much the only one who understood what the hell i was asking.

too technical? or did i include examples of things they have never heard of?

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First lose the attitude, no one is going to help you seriously, JDM was just clarifying what does and does not work. You mentioned specifically S2000 parts which as he and I both stated do not apply to our motors.


You have multiple threads in the Accord FAQ with information on swaps, I already told you the best flowing head, you already know bisimoto cams can net you around 30ish hp with support mods and tuning.

What else are you trying to do?

Why are you limiting yourself to OEM parts? It's not like putting in F23 valve springs in an F22 will gain you power. Going aftermarket would.

- Bisimoto Cams w/ the supporting mods (I believe they're listed on his site)
- Maintenance
- I/H/E

And bam, you've netted 40 hp.
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how about you lose those brake calipers and rotors on your car for weight reduction?

HEY LOOK ITS UNSPRUNG WEIGHT TOO

TheMuffinMan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i drive a honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

how about you lose those brake calipers and rotors on your car for weight reduction?

HEY LOOK ITS UNSPRUNG WEIGHT TOO </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm sorry are you trying to be funny?

I try do my own research on **** and don't try to have everything spoon fed to me.

*edit*

Not only that but I've written some of the first tutorials on the NSX caliper upgrade specifically finding out the smallest wheel - which was in fact the ITR wheel. So if you had searched you would've found the tutorial and see what was required.

ROH will fit behind the ITR wheel with a spacer - whose size depends on what caliper bracket you get (23t-25t-etc)

So if you're less of a dick we can help you. But when you act like a 16 yr old and do no research, give NO information whatsoever, then mention practically every part known to man, then get pissy, etc. No one will help you.

TheMuffinMan

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2193006

You can see my parts list and clearances there. While it's not ROH conversion the overall size is similar. And the NSX calipers are beefy.

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

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i know the ROH doesnt increase braking performance, but waht it allows me to do is pull the rotor off wihout removing the hub, which makes changing brakes a hell of alot easier.

i have the ITR whees on my car i know if they fit or not, thanks for trying to tell me they dont fit. im using 5mm spacers. i asked if it fits after the ROH conversion. which nobody could answer, i guuess ill figure out the hard way.

ya before i was on here i bought the ITR wheels, i didnt "freak" my wheels up, yes they scraped i figured that out on my own. then i went out and got the spacer.

i don't want to put k pistons in the motor, never said i wanted to, you guys said i wanted them. and played it like i was some ricer i was giving examples of what the K scene was like.

and yes a k swap is possible they sell mount kits. but i dont want that i already have an older k powered car.

im pretty much giving up on this section of the forum, ill stick to working on the civic.

the accord scene doesnt seem too friendly. so far i learned NOTHING, just got flamed

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Are you stupid? I never said the wheels wouldet fit, I said they wouldent fit WITHOUT spacers. Yes they work before and after the ROH conversion, I should know, as I did the DIY on the conversion and I have ITR's on you car.


Go back to the civic forum you ignorant piece of ****, we dont need your kind here there are too many people like you in this forum, and we need to weed the morons out.

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Are you stupid? I never said the wheels wouldet fit, I said they wouldent fit WITHOUT spacers. Yes they work before and after the ROH conversion, I should know, as I did the DIY on the conversion and I have ITR's on you car.


Go back to the civic forum you ignorant piece of ****, we dont need your kind here there are too many people like you in this forum, and we need to weed the morons out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

YOU AND MUFFIN MAN NEED TO CHILL OUT, WHAY IS WITH YOUR GODDAMN INSULTS? PENT UP FRUSTRATION. HOW ABOUT YOU CALM THE HELL DOWN.

both of you idiots comein here and start spouting off who the hell needs that?

you guys added no tech knowledge in here at all just insults.

answer the goddamn questions rather than talk ****.

TheMuffinMan

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Maybe you missed the responses where I gave you what you needed?

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

I gave u an answer about the Engine parts, but its not what you wanted to hear.

I answerd your question about the ITR rotors and ROH conversion, but you didnt read it.

My guess is, you have a reading comprehension problem.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_DC4_Fanatic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I gave u an answer about the Engine parts, but its not what you wanted to hear.

I answerd your question about the ITR rotors and ROH conversion, but you didnt read it.

My guess is, you have a reading comprehension problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no i dont take advice from people who insult me.
they want to see me get frustrated with this.

that and you dont even know the anwer about f22a head.......you're asking abou it in the all motor forum.

also the personal insults and write up ripoffs dont help your crediablity in my eyes.


oh and muffin man.............. just go away. you're the LEAST helpful.

TheMuffinMan

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You make me rofl.

You ask for the better flowing head than F22B1, I tell you the F22A.

You ask about using S2000 parts, which has not been done before at least not openly discussed if it has. So I tell you it won't work.

Then you ask what OEM parts you can use - what parts are you even thinking about? Pistons and rods/etc?

I told you the bisimoto cam + support valvetrain mods + I/H/E would net you 40hp on a F22B motor. Which is pretty much straight from him (look at his previous posts).

Just a few of his:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the kind words, all.

BTW, you would be shocked on how cost effective it is to make power on an F series. The head flows quite well, even in factory form. For example, our level 2 cam ($229 in non vtec) has been proven to yield almost 30hp with that mod alone! Throw some compression and a decent flowing intake manifold...voila...200hp easily! Do not port your head with us, unless you like wearing diapers! </TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2355749

etc

So what exactly did I not answer?

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

Why is it that people listen to drama and not facts?

So, you dont want to listen to me cause I called you an idoit, so you disregard my FACT information? That doesnt make sense.

And, just because I personally dont know whats best for your F22, and I direct you to where you can get a good opnion that makes me stupid?


Listen to advise, no matter how much you get insulted or dislike that person. A fact is a fact, even if you dont like the person. I am not here to be your friend, so if you dont like me, I could care less. Fact is, when it comes to Brakes or suspension on the 4th gen, I know it all. And I know what needs to be done to make ITRs fit because I have them before and after I did the ROH conversion.

And, just to shut you up:

Look ma, I made the FAQ sticky list.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2027047

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too bad these are 5th gens.

i wont listen to you becuase you have shown you're oout to get me, meaning there is no incentive to give sound advice.


not advise as in advise someone to do something