ashb82

i have no idea about a f20

jwicecold

Im thinking of the F20A engines I guess, sorry... The F20A engines came in Accord and Prelude from Japan and Europe.

BeastlyB

Ah yes the real Euro Accord's.

They use the same base block as mine,
i did not compare part numbers but they look exactly the same.
they sometimes used different codes for the same parts/car depending on which country it wen't.
Mine is a CD9 Chassis while it is known as an CD5 in the US,
that maybe the same case with my F20B3 it could be an A but made in the US for Euro export so called a B.

In Europe they also use numbers after the A or B or Z etc etc,
so you can have a F20B3 or F20B6 the 6 being a newer version.
same goes for the B20 it will be a B20Z1 or B20Z3 or H22A1 etc etc,
That made me think the F or the B or H stand for the code of the block itself,
and thus a F22 has the same base cylinder block as an F20....i think..

If GhostAccord says they are as good as the same they most likely are which means i can go ahead with this build,
am saving up cash and will start on it in the spring around April.

For now i bought us a second or in this case "third" car a old 89 Civic with an D14 motor...
That silly thing is pretty fast for what it is 90hp dual carb does 7k rpm without a flinch.
It ran 80k miles untill now.

AFAccord

Ash, what's the status/setup on this build so far? Any more numbers or track times? Have you given any more consideration to the cam? I was greatly concerned about using the stock cam in my F23 build, but I've proven myself wrong regarding its capabilities.

Apostle

Awesome thanks for the great info

KPDSM

just read through this as i have an f im putting together now as well...curious to see what you're doing cam wise. I have an f22 block f23 head stock cam and going with boost - just hoping the cam still makes power up top...looking for 11s...

AFAccord

I was extremely surprised to find that the stock F23 head and cam consistently made peak power at 6500 RPMs and up. That's why I was wondering where Ash was with his build as far as cam and power goes. If you're already starting with an F22 block, I would mate it with an F22A head rather than the F23.

bigbpatel

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i thought he was using a f22a head, but i could be wrong.

im actually doing the same build almost, mines a f22b1 though. i think ash is running an f22a head, f23 im, 72 mm tb...dont think he was using a f23a head

the f22a is the best flowing head, reason i didnt and kept my f22b head is bc i want to still be able to say i have vtec and i can reach my power goals np. im using a f23 im/tb though. possibly a 68/70mm tb not sure yet

why do u want to use a f23 head? jw

ashb82

i use a f22a head port matched and 3 angle valve job.where i live at we have some big 1/8th mile races. i have not been in the 1/4. my best time so far is 7.0 @103 on around 19psi. i turn my car 8500 every time down the track. the best mod so far for higher rpms has been cam intake manifold and 75mm TB. i hope to try out another cam some time. i have a delta 282 cam i want to try out.

AFAccord

Yes, I know Ash is running the F22a head; I wasn't trying to incinuate that the F23 head performed any better. I was just trying to clear some smoke about what mods are truly necessary to make some good numbers with these 2.2/2.3l F series. The throttlebody for example doesn't need to be 65mm+ to make good power as I found out in my own setup. I think Ash's biggest issue was his intake manifold which I think he said was resolved by going to an H23 IM, but maybe there's something different about his setup since he's revving to 8500rpm to make power, who knows.

Thanks for that info. I know the proper cam selection between our heads is totally different. I'm really curious to know what kind of numbers you're making!
Remind me what turbo, trans, and differential you're running?

ashb82

no idea of the power but hx35/40 turbo, gsr transmission and obx lsd.

jwicecold

Glad to see a lot more ppl are goin for this build!! If I could find a professional painter round my house I would have my baby on the street. Still lookin for a reliable paint booth though that wont make my car look like crap!.

sohc_MONSTA

Can u give a full parts list for this build?

jwicecold

He listed all the parts at the beginning of the post!! there is a few things your just gonna have to read through to find out about but for the most part its all right there in the very first post!!!

jwicecold

Anything new going on with this thread??? Anyone else beside myself use this for a serious reference??

BeastlyB

I am following this.

My progress stalled at the moment due to "events" that ate the cash from my car build "funds"...

This one and GhostAccord's I am following with great interest.

jwicecold

I hope even more pp; start following and do this type of build!! Mine will be up and runnin b 4 summers end I hope. All I need is to get my car painted but I need it to look amazing for this magazine Im building it for so its hard to find a reliable, quality painter who stands behind his work and warranties!!

BeastlyB

Yeah I know what you mean.

I wan't to have mine redone too and have been looking at different companies but have not found one that I feel "safe" with.
Then again my French still sucks and that does not help things either

jwicecold

Are u an American who relocated to France?? Also if so you should post some pics of the euro Hondas! ;-)

ashb82

im still working on this, better things to come. i just dont have the time i use to have. my work, wife and 2 kids kinda take up most of my time. engine still runs great tested the compression the other day 180psi on all cylinders.

jwicecold

I mainly wanted to see if you were still running that setup!! Glad to hear u are!! Gotta love Honda and their technology!! Last forever if properly maintained!!

Swamp h22 civic

im still new to the site so if im out of line let me know please. i was wondering if the stock 4g63 forged pistons and stock h22 rods would be good for the f22 bottom end and i will also be running a h22 head as well. any info will be great and i have read this whole build great stuff man really impressed by the build.

ashb82

You can run it with h22 head.

jwicecold

Let us know how it is after you get it up and running with the H22 head!! I always wanted to build a G22 motor!!! Think that will be my next engine build after I finish this lil build up!!

Swamp h22 civic

I'm Hopimg it runs good I just figured stock h22 rods and stock forged 4g63 pistons would be the same as the setup that ash b82 is running maybe a small amount of cr change. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I was to run the stock f22 block the cr would be around. 8.5-1 or so is what i am guessing with the h22 head?