mugenpower09

Aright, I need some assistance from people who either know more about the motor or have done the swap themselves. I need some help choosing the motor I want to use in my car. I have a 1997 Accord LX sedan. I know a popular choice is the H22. But I have also heard of a F20B (I believe). The motor I would end up with would more than likely be turboed. Also, is the Euro R H22A worth the money for the extra 20 hp? Plus, what about the H23? My mother has a 1992 Prelude SI with that motor and I absolutly love it. Is that worth the time and effort?
On another note, I will be converting my car to a 5-speed, but I am confused about this, and I quote from the 5-speed swap guide, "If you’re external coil or non-vtec like me you need the TEC td52u or td59u." What is that? I know I will need the 5-speed ecu, but I am still lost. And what are the benefits of internal coil? Or is external the way to go? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

standbackimapro

You can put an F20, H22, H23 in your car, and the 20 extra hp the type r has is only that it has 20 more horsepower... which isnt really a big deal...

td52u and td59u are distributors used in 92-93 accords and 92-95 preludes

And The difference between and internal and external coil is that the internal coil is INside the distributor, an external coil is a seperate unit, and if u look on some distributor caps there will be 5 wires, one of those will be going to the coil..

They took the internal coil and made it into an external coil because of heat issues

Twixle

The F22 is actually a good motor for boosting. If you're planning on running high boost and decide on the H22, you might need to consider sleeving.
I don't know as much about the F20, but if I recall I've heard that the type-r is harder to find parts for in the states than the regular H22.

lowered94accord

F22 + Boost = thats the setup im getting read to do..and from the research ive done...seems like an awesome setup with the right turbo kit

JDM_DC4_Fanatic

I would save the money, and just turbo the F22. That motor loves boost. I would look into getting a decent turbo set up instead of swapping, then turbo.

ECX

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F22's seem like they were meant for boost... but don't buy a kit, peice one together. I've seen t3/t40e'd F22B1's, 15-17psi daily driven, only with a new clutch, oem headgasket and arp headstuds. Boost the **** outta that f22, OP...

Intense3.2

Turbo = Throw your money out the window right now & get ready to have many headaches for the limited time your motor will survive.

H22 = Reliable, Strong, powerful, easy to maintain, easier to mod, & it will save you $1000's in the end.

jdmarzan671

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H22 = Reliable, Strong, powerful, easy to maintain, easier to mod, & it will save you $1000's in the end.

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yup yup!

mugenpower09

I really want to thank all of you for your suggestions. I have never heard of boosting the F22B2. I kind of assumed that since it was a SOHC and non-vtec that it was a piece. I don't think that I will look into the F20 anymore, but I'll get some pics when I finally swap it.
Time for another stupid *** question. Why do I need a new dizzy for the tranny swap? They seem to me that they are totally independant systems.

lowered94accord

Edit: Well the motor I was talking about its the f22b1..which is VTEC..thats what I have anyways...build that thing up right and turbo!


Modified by lowered94accord at 1:48 AM 3/25/2007

Twixle

Edit: quote went bye-bye
Nope. F22B1 is the vtec that came in the ex model, F22B2 is the non-vtec sohc that came in the lx and dx models. Go check the stamp on your block if you don't believe me.

lowered94accord

whoopsie lol..made a mistake...edited it! thanks man..you would think that I would know since I have the F22b1 in my car..damn! I was looking through the FAQ and it says the f22b2 is the one in the ex..cuz i didnt want to be stupid and post the wrong thing but looks like i did anyways

Twixle

It's VTEC fever baby! Honda really should have put it in all their cars...what were they thinking?

lowered94accord

Seriously..I agree with you..thats what everyone thinks of when they hear Honda...VTEC..so hell why not have VTEC in all honda motors? duhhh..what do you think most people look for when they buy a honda...does it have VTEC...no..oh ok im going to keep looking...then they find one with VTEC and thats what they want!

mugenpower09

Wait....the F22A2 and F22B2 were non vtec. The F22A1 and F22B1 were vtec. That has to be right. I know what my motor is and it says F22B2.

mugenpower09

Are those distributors internal or external coil?

Hawkze_2.3

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To clarify that for you, the F22s are inferior performance wise to an H22 or H23, but they have iron sleeves instead of the FRM sleeves of an H series that will not accept forged pistons (unless you sleeve the block). The F22s can take forged pistons without having to get the block sleeved.

A turbo H22 or H23 will outperform a turbo F22, but the H's would have to be sleeved to run more than 6-8 psi.

The weak spots of all 3 engines are the ring lands on the pistons.

ECX

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That's why when you boost any motor, you tune it. The reliability of any boosted motor can thank how good/bad of a job the tuner did.