raceACCORDingly

hey poid what what turbo ( trim and AR) are you using and is it an f22b1 or f22b2? mind sharing the bin?

ProjectXaccord

i agree on that fact that a accord is great for boost...

POID...if you dont mind...can you give me some real time Compression numbers on the cylinders...after almost 1 years of 10 psi on the accord motor...i need that technical info..as proof to those that dont believe me, whenever i say that the stock f22b1 stock internals are great for boost....

i get alot negative feedback from people around me..they bet me money that the accord motor wont last a year on boost..

If you cant is there anyone else that can get me compression numbers on a stock accord motor boosting 6-10 psi.. for a year or more..
this also gives more technical proof to other people that read this thread and are in doubt..

everyone now a days are more into the h22 turbo setup in a accord...id rather stay stock motor turbo...and built internals if necessary...
it makes everything easier....and as far a boosting is concerned..all you have to look for is your turbo kit, fuel management, a set of tools, and about 6-8 hours of install time...and BAM...you'll be having your V-8.

ProjectXaccord

one more word to the wise...always have a spare motor whenever you are boosting...just in case...or you will be in my shoes...walking or catching rides...

ProjectXaccord

Update..

i have been talking to a guy from another forum and he finally got back to me today..he went to a local show and saw the f22b1 pistons from raceeng first had and they check out...it is a direct replacement for the f22b1 85 mm piston...

these are the spec....
85mm forged pistons w/ 8.8:1 CR

or 85.5mm (20 over) w/ 8.8:1 CR

so if you need forged pistons for your accord heres you company to get them from..( just save some for me..LOL) RACEENG.COM

NO MORE WAITING FOR CUSTOM PISTONS TO ME MADE...THEY CARRY THEM IN STOCK....
and they cost 509 w/ ss composite rings...

ill keep the updates going as they come in....

mmmVTEC

aaaand subscription. i don't post much on this forum as my home is AccordinglyDone, but i'm in the middle of a turbo build right now and constantly searching for more info.
one of the things i still haven't been able to find (i've been reading up on this for over a year) is at what power output the various STOCK components on an accord fail. you said you heard the crank and rods can handle 400 and you're gonna test them at 300, and that's exactly what i'm looking for. anybody have numbers for other bits?

poid

raceaccordingly: its an F22B1 using a GT28R turbo, i think the A/R is .60 compressor and .64 exhaust. The bin i am using is for 680cc injectors, but if you want it just IM me your email addy

projectxaccord: i havent got any compression numbers at the moment, i can try and get some for you if you'd like (to be honest, i am interested myself as to the health of the engine).

I also had almost everyone saying it wouldnt last a year either. Well it has, as has another turbo accord i know of that has been running at least 8psi for over a year

ProjectXaccord

as far as i learned with the proper fuel management the accord motor can handle a lot....there are guy pushing 12 psi and daily driving on stock accord internals...as for me i am an example of poor fuel management my motor only last 30 sec. on 9,83 psi then ran lean and detonated...i have been doing a lot of reading on uberdata, and whenever i get all the facts straight ill post them on this thread...as far as i know the weakest like in the accord bottom end are the piston ring lans...they cant handle the cylinder pressures for turbo very well or the high heat....i have also learned that the accord rods are pretty weak too, but 2 people told me 2 different things...so i guess i cant have that answer til i get the motor built and start boosting on them...

MMMVTEC what kinda fuel management are you running right now...???
if you dont have any i would suggest reading up on uberdata like i am...i can t give you advise on it, i havent yet become aware of all of its features but check out this site
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler6....html
and
PGMFI.ORG and just read.....

ProjectXaccord

as sson as you get the compresssion numbers can you post them here??

its good proof that an accord can boost just find on stock internals....i would apprecaite it...i will never be able to get those number on account of im building my motor soon..and they wont be stock internals...and where are you located **** ill come and do the test for you if you car close enough for me to drive there....

thanks for post here...ill keep the updates up...and keep the questions comming

poid

i'm in Australia, feel free to drive here if you like but i dont think your chances are too good hehe

ProjectXaccord

SH@T....i guess not...but if you can get those number posted up here that would be great...as for me doing it for you...uhhhhh...well just scratch that idea...lol

mmmVTEC

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MMMVTEC what kinda fuel management are you running right now...???
if you dont have any i would suggest reading up on uberdata like i am...i can t give you advise on it, i havent yet become aware of all of its features but check out this site
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler6....html
and
PGMFI.ORG and just read.....

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walbro 255 HP pump, AEM FPR, dsm 450cc injectors, and a VAFC 2. if i weren't a 96 (obd2 fiesta) i'd consider uberdata or something, but right now i don't want to deal with doing a conversion and getting a new ECU. maybe at some other point... i'm also only planning on running the 7.5psi of boost my wastegate spring dictates.

JayFI

Friendly advice to all automatic Accord drivers: Don't bother turbo the car unless you rebuilt/fortify the auto tranny. Trust me, I learned it first hand and the hard way. I lasted only 3 months on 5psi. I think it had to do with my crazy driving and hard shifts than the weak auto tranny. Haha. Now gotta save up for manual swap.

Car still drivable so far, have to shift manually to 2nd gear then to D. Still boosting. :D

WHEEEEE

poid

yeh the auto's dont seem to like boost at all

mmmVTEC, the only thing you have to do extra is get the OBD2 -&gt; OBD1 conversion harness. The rest of us have to buy and ECU to use Uber as well.

My car is '96 shape as well, but i have OBD1 electrics in there...guess Honda stuck the last of the OBD1 gear in the first run of '96 shape cars

ProjectXaccord

im surprised it lasted 3 months..on 5 psi..as far as forifiying the auto tranny, its not worth it unless your car is a hp monster....auto's are proven to help high hp car gain traction....but i cost alot to have a tranny modified...im not sure exactly what it is that they do to it...but i know just the torque converter and some other work that they do costs somewhere around 1000.00. hell with that get a 5 spd swap and take it easy on launching...and you are set....my last tranny lasted me the better part of 5 years..and i put that damn thing to hell it lasted throught 4 swaps, 3 clutches nitrious and still works today..just second gear like to grind a lil bit....

mmmVTEC

why wouldn't i have to get an OBD1 ECU? i thought a P28 was pretty standard? and guys, friends don't let friends drive automatic. that's in my sig at AD...guess i never bothered to make one here

edit: and now i have a sig...

ProjectXaccord

what u mean MMMVtec

mmmVTEC

my understanding of an OBD2-&gt;OBD1 harness:

you've got a bunch of OBD2 wiring going into your OBD2 ECU. i thought the harness that originally went to the OBD2 ECU instead went into the conversion harness, and the other end of the harness plugged into an OBD1 ECU. guess not though? it's been awhile since i considered doing a conversion.

edit: here's a description of the skunk2 conversion harness:
"This conversion harness offers a pain free alternative for owners of 1996-2001 Honda/Acura vehicles hindered by the factory OBDII ECU. This conversion harness, along with an OBDI ECU, will convert the vehicle to OBDI. Simply plug one side of the harness into the OBDI ECU, and the other side to the factory engine harness. No cutting or soldering is needed. "

i also found some offbrand harness on ebay thats $80 shipped right now. not bad...



Modified by mmmVTEC at 10:41 PM 4/5/2005

ProjectXaccord

you ever check out the website pgmfi.org??

there is a lot of info there about that stuff..

ProjectXaccord

hey guys im in a jam need to sell my Fields sfc/ vtec controller...trying to get my money right for my motor build used for only a month its still brand new 100 bucks...


Modified by projectxaccord at 11:34 PM 4/5/2005

ProjectXaccord

update....

I just got a fresh block today...bare block w/ new sleeves in it and just a crank...
Hopefully, i can get the pistons ordered by the end of this week and have everything at the machine shop by the middle of next week to get the cylinders bored 20 over and the pistons put in...i also have been doing alot of reading up in uberdata...i have my eyes on a p28 ecu at the moment...DL the uberdata software and bought my rom burner today.....i have been meeting a lot of accord guys since i started this thread..and one of them gave me a base f22b1 turbo map for uberdata......so far everything is falling into place....the only thing that im lacking
now is a egt and a wideband o2...well thats all for now ill keep everyone updated as everything happens...

poid

mmmVTEC, what i was saying is that all acoord owners have to get an OBD1 ECU, the only extra thing you would need is the harness. So its like an extra $80 over guys who are already OBD1.

And you guys in the US have tuners that do Uberdata, meaning if you cbf getting a wideband and doing it yourself you can have a pro do it. Which is a good option to have.

I just reckon its so cheap and powerful that no one should feel the need to use a VAFC setup any more

ChicoAccord2001

ProjectXAccord: 500 bucks for all that?! how the heck does he manage a turbo setup for that amount... Id love to get a quote and also what he offers in the package. Im looking for a kit for a 6th gen Accord F23A4. Email me the quote please: bobbyk78@sbcglobal.net

ProjectXaccord

my buddy is visiting family so it should be sometime next week..just remind me again later in the wekk, but ill try to call him later..what trim is your accord??? lx. ex, dx??

my buds got a lot of huk ups..so inturn he gives huk ups...some of the stuff is off brands but he warrenties most of the stuff he sells...ex. turbos, manifolds, fuel pumps....etc.etc. any way ill hit you up on the email later if he picks dthe phone up....later

ProjectXaccord

Does anyone know anything about using dsm injectors in a honda w/ uber?? im not sure if i need a resistor pack...

ChicoAccord2001

2001 Honda Accord 5 speed EX sedan.