Conflicted

Hey guys, I know there might be 1000 topics about motor swaps, but this one I think is unique to the questions I have to ask. Thanks in advance for your help. I did search, just didnt scour the 1000 results.

Okay, so here goes. First thing...I am getting an H22 swap in my 94 accord coupe. I cant wait. I found a shop thats decently local, and they are doing the complete swap for under 3k. The guy will even throw on the flywheel and clutch I plan on buying with it.

I was speaking with a friend of mine, and of course, being on a limited budget with this whole project, I asked him what parts I should purchase and have changed before its put in. He started with clutch/flywheel. Then went into a tirade of parts.

Water pump, belts, wires, plugs...

Is there anything else you can think of, as far as the OEM parts that I would want to change out, of course, remembering that the budget is tight...but things that are absolutely necessary based on what ive stated above?

The last thing is this. I know a lot of you are quite knowledgeable on the topic of H22 swaps, so can you tell me about the header I'll need, or will i be able to use the F22 one? I will probably have to get it connected to my cat back. Any other pointers or tips you could throw my way?

Thanks in advance guys. I will keep it updated, I actually wanted to keep a photo journal of the work getting done to my car, just to have archived here on the site, I havent found many of those across the different Honda forums i've frequented.

Thanks.

steerh67

throw a rear main seal on that list

thabao

you wont be able to use the f22 headers, f22=0 00 0 while h22= 0 0 0 0. i think do the swap and save up for a couples months and turbo the bitch outta it!!!

Conflicted

thanks for the good information guys. Yea, I am constantly in touch with different people all the time and some even told me not to use synthetic because the oil is less dense than regular motor oil creating issues with leaks. Would it be smart to use synthetic in the transmission?

Any advice on plug wires? Aftermarket? Stock?

I figured the NGK iridium plugs will do just fine for what I need. All of the rest of the things i will do new oem, keep the compatibility issues to a minimum.

With the header, the one I have now was an aftermarket, but has rusted beyond aesthetics, therefore I was told to avoid that, I should not purchase ceramic but stainless steel? Any info on that. I am not looking for anything outrageously priced, should I still stick with DC or Greddy, or is there someone else making something worth buying these days?

Heinekenf22

convert to an h23 tensioner (recommended) look that up

TheMuffinMan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Heinekenf22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">convert to an h23 tensioner (recommended) look that up</TD></TR></TABLE>

eh

a new auto tensioner is just as fine.

injectors
plugs
wires
etc

I believe the FAQ's go over everything

No_Limits_Accord

I too am getting everything ready for my swap and here is a list of parts i have collected so far.
- plug wires
- 97 prelude base model p/s bracket
- new plugs
- timing belts / tensioner
- water pump
- fuel rail
- prelude rad hoses
- injectors
- prelude header

oem_certified_accord

okay, lets cut some of the fat out of this steak of a topic. first off, you do not need NGK iridiums, oem plugs will last a hell of a lot longer than the iridiums, with that being said. oem plugs are cheap and perform just as well as the rest.


yes get a rear main seal, cam seal, crank seal, upper and lower spark plug tube seals, valve cover gasket, oil pan gasket, intake manifold gasket, exhaust manifold gasket, tensioners, timing belt, water pump, balancer belt, alternator belt, ps belt (if applicable)

oem oil filter, 4 quarts of 5w30, 4-5 quarts of honda manual transmission fluid.

you dont need new injectors, you dont need a new fuel rail, you don't need a turbo, you don't need any of garbage some of the people listed on here really. i just gave you the clean sweep.


and if i were you i would take advice from the following quoted people:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by steerh67 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">throw a rear main seal on that list</TD></TR></TABLE> check

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thabao &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you wont be able to use the f22 headers, f22=0 00 0 while h22= 0 0 0 0. </TD></TR></TABLE> check

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Heinekenf22 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">convert to an h23 tensioner (recommended) look that up</TD></TR></TABLE> check

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

eh

a new auto tensioner is just as fine.

I believe the FAQ's go over everything</TD></TR></TABLE> and mate

as for your header, if this is an average joe build you dont need to spend $335 on a header for 6hp gain if that, the $39.99 ebay stainless steel header will do just fine, just ask the guy last quoted in my post.

good luck op

Conflicted

Thanks for the information. The header was a question I had that was lingering because I didnt think I could justify the large dollar amount. The rear main seal i'll add to my list, and of course the other parts you mentioned along with mostly stock items instead of aftermarket.

How about belts? Does someone make stronger belts than what comes with these motors stock?

josh's_accord

you use a prelude cat to with the prelude header. and still may have to do some custom work.

GhostAccord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Conflicted &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about belts? Does someone make stronger belts than what comes with these motors stock?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stick with OEM for them as well

oem_certified_accord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GhostAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Stick with OEM for them as well </TD></TR></TABLE> yes

everything i listed you should buy at the honda dealership, and i'm not saying that just to say it. i'm saying it because before i put my motor in i replaced everything i just listed for you and then some.

because i only wanted to do the overhaul once. i shouldnt have to pull that motor again until i a) paint the car or b) buy another motor.

once again good luck

Conflicted

Thanks for the heads up and very candid information. I do have a few more questions. The H22 obd1 with the LSD transmission, is it worth paying the extra to get the LSD?

The other thing is this, with the parts im gonna change out, i'll do all OEM Honda, just so i'm getting the quality parts that belong in this motor, got a good site online or a heads up on where I can get some good Honda OEM parts at a good deal?

Tyte-S

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Conflicted &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The H22 obd1 with the LSD transmission, is it worth paying the extra to get the LSD?

</TD></TR></TABLE>If you plan on doing some competition in your car. For a DD, it's completely unnecessary.

oem_certified_accord

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Conflicted &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The other thing is this, with the parts im gonna change out, i'll do all OEM Honda, just so i'm getting the quality parts that belong in this motor, got a good site online or a heads up on where I can get some good Honda OEM parts at a good deal?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm an ******* about my oem parts i dont want them unless they're packaged with red letters that spell out HONDA. so i would tell you go to a dealership. but if you dont want to http://www.tasauto.com has came through for many people time and time again so i would recommend them to you.

as far as the lsd...fun fun but like TS said you dont really need it.

TheMuffinMan

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NOOO

Get the LSD, assuming it's like a $300 option.

If you try to buy the tranny after the fact (boat i'm in) it'll be like $800

oem_certified_accord

^ he's just saying that because he couldnt get his hands on one at the time of purchase

TheMuffinMan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oem_certified_accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ he's just saying that because he couldnt get his hands on one at the time of purchase </TD></TR></TABLE>

DIAF

But it's true, I had the cash up front ready to go for it, but the motor depot told me that 9/10 they were getting had been gutted in transit or were broken.

So I went with a stock non-lsd tranny

oem_certified_accord

better a working tranny than one with lsd that still slips

TheMuffinMan

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lol

I'll be going quaife with this one but it's like $900.

oem_certified_accord

who cares. we got a lot of problems, but money aint one of them.

TheMuffinMan

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oem_certified_accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">who cares. we got a lot of problems, but money aint one of them. </TD></TR></TABLE>


It is for me lol

I had like $4 in my checking account recently and $10 in savings

Conflicted

No LSD then, the car will mainly be a daily driver, or a mileage baby, just want the extra pep of the H22 but also want bulletproof reliability...ive noted all of the parts you've mentioned, anything we've left out?

I am still not sure which clutch and flywheel combo to go with, can you suggest some?

oem_certified_accord

i have the ACT performance street disc and HD pressure plate w/ fidanza flywheel setup. i liked it for the first 1000 miles i put on it but now i think i am gonna dump the clutch in a few months and go with a stage clutch.

Conflicted

Have you guys ever heard of legal speed designs? So far, they have given me a good price on both a clutch kit and a flywheel. I am thinking of going with their pieces.