99CcordMTF23

Affirmative.

GhostAccord

$150-$200 for an OEM 60mm H22 TB + boring the IM yourself. vs Having your stock F TB bored out to 64mm and a ported matched IM all for $200. Choice is yours!

KPDSM

Ghost - we are in the process of doing something to curb that turbulence you indicated. We have a couple of ideas, using some materials we already have - I'll keep you in the loop.

As for the TB - when you put it that way....LOL - no but you're right there. If I can't find a good OEM H22 TB for a decent price (lower than what you've posted above) then your suggestion WILL be used.

99 - thanks

KPDSM

Getting a trans tomorrow...then on to the turbo system
*sigh*

I think all we have left here is:

Decision on tb
turbo system (mani, wastegate, turbo, injectors)
Clutch <---- going to rape my pockets

we've been moving along pretty steadily here so stay tuned

KPDSM

Been d*cking around on ebay on pherables store...anybody have any experience with the omnipower TB?
It *says* it bolts directly to h22/h23 IM but 90-01 accord may require aftermarket intake manifold...any thoughts?

If it bolts to H22 it should bolt directly to f22 without mod...any one with thoughts/experience?

99CcordMTF23

I have an H22 TB chillin right here... Make me an offer. Lol need to get rid of all this stuff.

KPDSM

PMed

KPDSM

Manifold in the mail.

TB next (thanks MTF)

The one trans I was going to pick up I decided against

99CcordMTF23

I have a close ratio h23 trans sittin in my shed with that f23... Btw.

KPDSM

BOV and Wastegate in the mail.
Went with 35 MM wastegate - I wish they made an 11 psi spring, although I think I'll eventually have to get a boost controller anyway.

TB and Trans are in the works...this thing is flying together though and I'm not complaining. Going to need injectors, oil feed/return lines/ and MAP sensor but right now we're just blazing along.

Towards the end I'll clean her all up, valve cover, block, all that, but we're moving.
Hoping to drive this to work in Jan/Feb and down the track as soon as it opens in 2013.

jabontke

I have read through this post and I don't why people add vtec to an engine that will be turbo charged.

Adding larger throttle bodies, swapping intakes or heads for better flow, adding vtec, are good for getting more CFM to flow through a naturally aspirated engine. More air/fuel in means more power. But you are turbo charging it, aka forcing air into the engine. This negates the effects of intake/throttle body/vtec additions. Sure they will add some power, but we are talking may 5 to 10 HP with forced induction. I guess it doesn't seem cost effective to me.

For anyone reading this, my suggestion is stick with the stock f22. Upgrade your internals in retrospect to the power you want to make. And spend you $$$ on picking the right turbo/manifold/inter-cooler to flow the CFM you want at the right RPM. Also spend your $$$ on a good tuner. Vtec is effective in its ability to open up a naturally aspirated engine, but for us looking to build on a budget, it's just more costly to find the parts and tune for vtec.

Original poster, your build looks nice.

99CcordMTF23

I have two good sets of 230cc F23 vtec injectors aswell.

KPDSM

thanks.
Its coming together quite quickly actually, I'm toying with different ideas of what to put it in.

Also as for those very small 5-10 HP adders, I'm springing for them only because the motor isnt in the car. It hasnt killed the bank just yet...I've been pretty cost effective so far, but your argument is definitely valid.

dglassmyer

The H TB will fit the F22 upper manifold plenum bolt for bolt.
Enlarging the throat of the F22 manifold to match is also simple work with a dremel, grinder, or whatever
.
I pulled mine together in a few hours time.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/h22-f22-throttle-body-install-3024241/

I would suggest you give more thought to tuning as said previously mentioned.
Also, understand that a Delta regrind is just that, a reGRIND.

There is no way a Delta cam you send them out of your motor will ever have any additional lift over stock specs.
Thats not how it works.

Delta changes the profile and ramping of the cam lobes to suit different aftermarket applications.
They can create a cam with higher lift however, by welding material to a cam, and then profiling that, but this is not what you're going to be getting for 90$ and shipping to Washington.

The changes Delta makes to their street grind are minor and all on the low speed lobes. The primary benefit noticed will be slightly more torque in the bottom of the rpm range.

880 CC injectors also sound overkill for your application.
450's or slightly larger should more than suffice with your engine.

Treadstone performance makes a complete IC Piping kit for our cars.
IIRC its about 300 bucks.
Theres also a kit on Ebay for cheap that might not be too terrible.
I'll chance Ebay if there's no moving parts involved.

GhostAccord

Note: You can raise the effective height of an OEM cam lobe with a regrind. It is done by removing material from the base circle.

KPDSM

Manifold in - looks sick

Trans tomorrow - TB this week as well...

Anyone have any experience with injector conversion clips? Do these allow you to run low impedance injectors without an actual resistor box?

GhostAccord

No...you still need the resistor box. Why are you getting clips? What 880 injectors are you getting?

KPDSM

I was just looking to see if there was anything that would allow me to not have to add a resistor box is all.

the injector situation basically is im looking at 880-1000cc size. As soon as I decide which, I'll let you all know.

GhostAccord

Running a set of saturated (High Impedance) injectors would allow you to run without a resistor box.

peter t

I'll tell you what. You guys know your stuff

99CcordMTF23

I would just solder resistors into the injector conversion clips. As far as bigger TB, plenums, cams, porting... The only way I can explain it is you engine is just a big air pump. More air and fuel in more power out. That's how it works. More plenum volume, larger throttle body opening, a high lift cam profile with a short duration for boost, is all going to add up to a large gain under forced induction. Maybe 5-10 hp turns into alot more when pressure is introduced. And more boost isnt more power. Boost pressure is all that air not having a place to go. (which is resistance inside the motor, where those induction mods come in) which is why on a big block a t70 turbo set at 10psi, is like a small block with the same turbo trying to push 15. All that air volume has no where to go on the smaller engine which increases the boost pressure. There are alot more variable with it but you definately are NOT gonna be hurting having vtec. It does wonders having a variable cam lobe set up when you are trying to hang onto some gas Milage with a 4cyl.

jabontke

It is important to note that what 99CcordMTF23 is saying is more technical than just adding a bigger TB, plenums, cams, porting, etc. Really do your homework in this area, gentlemen. You really want to pay attention to where these mods make power in the RPM and what RPM you do most of your driving. Do just throw mods at your car without a plan. Just because a t70 turbo will fit your car and makes huge power doesn't mean its right for your style of driving.

KPDSM

thats what ht is for man. now you know all the same stuff lol

KPDSM

we talked about this earlier, but that is an option as well. but you also are a little more privy to some information and know I might be good to go


You and I know this from the dsm days, but I know when it comes to boost, its all about airflow.



LOL this definitely reminds me of my dsm days when guys would pick up 16g and bigger turbos with SMIC and ask whats the problem.

I never thought of the vtec/gas mileage thing either. good pick up.

KPDSM

Picked up trans today, and let me tell you, I think that's the last of the big parts I'll need to be picking up, THANK GOODNESS. Friggin 2 hr drive for this thing (h2u5) but definitely worth it. Thing is CRISPY fresh....

The list of parts to grab is shrinking pretty quickly...

TB
Injectors
Oil Drain/Feed
Clutch/Flywheel kit
3 Bar MAP sensor
Vehicle Specific mounts

And I believe that's all thats left. I have a line on a TB so you can basically cross that off, and a light line on some injectors.

I may do BSE (Balance Shaft Eliminator) if I feel like it. I don't think 85 or whatever is too pricey - I ran 2 fairly fast motors with balance shafts still in them. I guess we will see what funds are like when the heavy wrenching starts.