Regulator

all my exterior work is done, so now it is time for me to focus my attention on the performance aspects of my accord. This work will be done on a 95 Honda Accord EX coupe.

i was originally going to go turbo on my f22b1, which i may still do. but i still have plenty of time before all that happens, so i want to weigh my options.

basically the h22 swap is out of the picture, because ultimately i want to boost the motor, and turbo AND an h22 is out of my price range.

however, the h23 is relatively cheap right? i need more info on it. what are the specs on it? CR, bore/stroke, hp/tq. i know it's like 160 hp, and has lots of torque, but will it be good for boost? i know a lot of people say that the f22 is great for boost, and from the research i've done it would be. but would the h23 be more responsive to boost? is it just as good a motor to turbo as the f22?

also i'm having issues with the tranny conversion. some say the h23 on the f22 motor, others say the f22 tranny for the f22 motor. i'm thinking the f22 tranny would be better for the boosted f22 motor since the gears are longer. so my other question is this: would a boosted h23 motor be better off with the h23 tranny, or again would it be better to have the longer gearing of the f22 tranny?

i'm not looking to make a straight 1/4 mile monster, or a top speed champ. i want to be able to run about 10-12 psi safely on the street, then maybe turn it up to like 15-16 at the track. this will be a daily driver.

please keep this tech based, i'd appreciate no hijacking. i'm really interested in learning as much as i can so i know what would be my best options, since i have a few. again, the h22 is not going to happen, so please don't try to argue using it. i can't afford a 3500 motor swap, then 3K+ to boost it. plus with the high compression, i don't think it would be good to boost anyway.

sorry that my post is so long, but i got lots of questions, and i am really serious about this work, i'm not just saying i want to do it and then never get it done. i'm asking this so i can figure out my plan of attack. thanks again


[Modified by 95vtecaccord, 1:26 PM 11/6/2002]

Nick M

Im in a good mood today so I wont delete this.

Every question you have is currently being discussed in other threads or has been discussed recently. Is there something more specific you wish to expand on from those threads?

Some threads you should read:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=290054
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=285903
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=168378
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=325940

GZERO

YAY! let's trash the forum! he is in a good MOOD!!
LOL, J/K nick

By the way 95vtecaccord, nick is right, there is at least one discussion about this a day, so do a GOOD search

Nick M

I edited my first post to include some helpful links.

I also edited the title of this thread because it was completely useless.

You guys gotta stop killing the search feature.

Regulator

sorry i wanted to compile the info all together, instead of spend lots of time digging through countless archives. next time i'll be sure to do that.

it amazes me then how people can still make new threads, i mean i'm sure their topic was covered somewhere already.

Regulator

yep i just went through all of those threads, found maybe three posts with something that had to do with what i'm asking about.

i'm still searching for info on the f22 tranny or h23 tranny for a boosted h23 in those threads you posted. got an archive for that one?

look i'm not trying to be an ***, i just wanted to get answers to my questions. none of those posts said anything about an h23 boosted with the f22 tranny. none gave the bore/stroke, CR, hp/tq of the h23. yes one post had a guy with a boosted h23, but there were no numbers, didnt tell the tranny or anything. i did get that he boosts 11 psi on the h23 daily (i think?) on stock internals. that right there was just about the most info i could gather from the threads.

except for the tranny thread, some say f22 cuz of longer gears, some say h23, but i don't really know why the h23. shorter gears are bad for turbo right? you need time for it to spool up and get boost. if you bang through the gears real quick you won't be able to take as much advantage of the turbo, right?

thanks for what little info i have found so far, i'd appreciate some more if you got it.

Accord94DX

Derron (dlb1994) runs an accord transmission.

Regulator

thank you sir for helping me out. he seems to be the man to talk to then about a boosted h23 with an accord tranny then. but which tranny was it? is the tranny the same for both the vtec and non vtec accords? or are they different, like in integras, don't the base models have diff tranny's than the gsr and ITR?

see that's all i'm looking for, someone to talk to who knows the potential of the setups. is it true he boosted 11 psi on stock h23 internals?

Nick M

An F tranny on an H23 an H tranny on a F motor its all the same discussion and principles that get covered over and over.

So lets talk about this AGAIN. Because you dont want to spend the time to look through the pages from the past. We dont want you to "waste" your time, so we'll waste ours

Regulator

well saying an h23 tranny on an f block would be better doesn't mean it works the other way around.

and like i said, i took the time to look through the archives you posted, i found like three good points. i found more useful info in the 300+ accord motor thread than anywhere else, and it wasn't even asking about h23's. they just came up in discussion.

i'm trying to contact some of the turbo h23 owners to see what they say.

again sorry to waste your time asking for help. next time i'll just keep my mouth shut and walk around in the dark until i stumble upon some info somewhere. i never knew i'd get so much grief asking questions.

Accord94DX

derron is a very good reference for your project. I was supposed to have a boosted h23a1 this summer but I recieved 2 trashed engines and 1 trash turbo kit because god hates me. You can AIM me @ accord94dx if you like.

4gen

damn man, go H22A (jdm 200hp, 163 tq) with custom turbo kit, get your turbo, manifold, timer, intercooler piping, intercooler, downpipe, wastegate, bov, afc of some type, i know a guy up in phoenix that went trubo with his jdm H22A for around 1400, so please buy your parts seperately, look around for groupbuys on turbo items, like the victor X manifold GB from drop shop. I obviously so the rest you guys can fill in, but for motor definately go with H22A, jdm has 10 more hp than usdm 92-96 H22A1, f22 is an engine which you shouldnt waste your time on, unless you have to. H23 is a good engine, just not with vtec, with more displacement, so you decide. for god sake guys give this guy some advice.


[Modified by 4gen, 7:00 PM 11/6/2002]

Regulator

thanks for the helpful info, but you didn't read my first post. true you can piece a turbo system together for 1400, but the motor is gonna cost you an arm and a leg.

you should really research the f22 motor a little more, they are perfect for boost. very strong motors. the h22 is high compression, it will take a lot of work for it to accept boost.

however i have heard that the h23 is also excellent, that it can take quite a bit of boost on the stock internals. but i'd still like some more opinions on this. thanks everyone.

Schproda

I know the F22 isn't the nest engine to put money into, but some of us either don't want to swap or don't have the funds to make it happen. I'd like to turbo mine, but I've been told a few times that you couldn't boost it much on the F22. I'd kinda like to have a little more detail.

Regulator

hmmm . . . maybe you should talk to niedejb. 13psi stock internals (i think)

DLB1994

it really come down to what you going to do with your car more drag or playing on the street f22 tranny is good for mph like highway runs or a lot of 3rd gear blast with out the spinning

more drag racing with slicks=h22 tranny
h22 tranny with street tires = lots of wheel spin
h23 tranny is a nice tranny for the street but if ever make a lot of power wheel spin will be bad but not that bad

h23 3rd gear is very short but the 1st and 2nd feel like a f22 tranny

h23 tranny 3rd gear=85-90mph@7500rpms
f22 tranny 3rd gear=100-105mph@7500-7800rpms

Regulator

ah just the man i've been wanting to talk to. how do you like the h23 with the f22 tranny? how much boost did you run on stock internals? what kind of numbers did you put down?

i'm looking for a tranny that will be good for street duty, just everyday driving as well as occasional street races. maybe some drag races, but not so much that i'm going to concentrate on making the car based on 1/4 mi. racing. so because of this you seem to suggest the f22 tranny?


[Modified by 95vtecaccord, 1:23 AM 11/7/2002]

TouringAccord

These numbers are for each trans mounted on a H series motor, correct?

Accord94DX

yes.

Nick M

good job twisting around what i said

I never said those threads were everything we had on motors and trannies. We've been talking about F22/H23/H22 for 3 years. It was just to get you started, in the right direction.

You seem to be taking over https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=319631&page=1 you are asking about this in that thread too where you said

I have absolutely NO PROBLEM helping people. Guys in here know if they IM me I will help them out, doesnt matter if its 1pm or 3am. But people who dont and wont help themselves first really **** me off. You're lucky this thread still exists.

Regulator

i'm just trying to help myself now. i'm asking as many people as i can to get the info i'm looking for. can i not do that? do i need to start keeping it in this thread only? if that's the case then by all means let me know, i'll start doing that. i'm not trying to **** everyone. i just want to get as many facts and opinions as i can.

Daorry

DLB1994

how do you like the h23 with the f22 tranny? i love it on the street but i have not been to the track so i cant speak on that yet but i do have a lot of street kills i have not been beat on the street yet but i may just have not ran across the right person but i have raced m3's,stang's,vette's,LS1's,b16a2 HB with 75 shot,b18c civic's,s2000 and more so the car got good power on low boost on the street i raced all these car with only 10-12psi but i do have a right big turbo.

how much boost did you run on stock internals? i ran up to 15psi but every day on pump gas tuned it my self and i ran 10-12psi for all most a year

what kind of numbers did you put down? i have not dyno it yet or been to the track

i'm looking for a tranny that will be good for street duty? the f22 tranny is vary good street tranny I was still getting 300-350miles a tank when I don't really boost at all for a week but on the weekend ill get 150miles a tank playing around so much.

so because of this you seem to suggest the f22 tranny? don't get me wrong shorter gear is all ways faster that's just a fact so the h22 tranny will make you faster but burn more gas on the street and lot of wheel spin
i like the f22 tranny because the h23 got lots of tq to pull them long gears very good and the trannys easy to come by cheaper if i break it and am happy with it maybe later when i do more drag then any thing and when am always on slick ill get a h22 tranny with lsd


the car ran allmotor 14.9@90 with the f22 tranny
allmotor with 50shot 13.6@100mph with f22 tranny
so the car allways made good power

Regulator

what is your turbo setup, if you don't mind me asking?

how much did the h23 swap cost?

SOHCArchangel

best combo i beleive would be an h22 trans with the 4.026 final drive from the 95 ex accord

it will make the gears longer but they would still stay relatively close together between shifts so you dont fall out of powerband

Regulator

i don't really feel comfortable with changing gears in my tranny, and there isn't a shop in my town that i would trust to do the work. so i'll be sticking with a stock tranny setup, maybe an LSD.