Engine Mount Question
#1
Engine Mount Question
I know this has probably been asked before but noticed it was for different year models.
I have a 1999 Honda Accord V6 Coupe and found out that 3 of the mounts are damaged. Of course the dealership/service wants about $1000 for it to be replaced plus another $4000 for a new transmission.
I was told by the Service Advisor that a possible reason for the damage is that the V6's have so much torque that it probably contributed to the problem. So then my question is, "Why am I responsible for an item that is not normally a 'wear & tear' item?" This sounds like a Honda design issue. But of course this is not centered on the media (like Toyota) and unless there's a slew of Accord owners having the same problem, it's not going to get anywhere in terms of Honda taking responsiblility.
My question is how dangerous is it to keep it the way it is and down the line trade it in to (another) Honda dealership and make it their problem. We didn't do any major mods, race it, no accident and was garaged. So we cared for this car and still love it. But find it very upsetting that I have to fork about $1000 to fix their design issue and the Transmission problem may have stemmed from this mouting issue.
Is the engine going to just fall out and be a hazard to the driver?
Thanks for any help,
Newsrunner
PS. I should unleash my media hounds on this since Toyota has been the target so why not get Honda on the same wagon.
I have a 1999 Honda Accord V6 Coupe and found out that 3 of the mounts are damaged. Of course the dealership/service wants about $1000 for it to be replaced plus another $4000 for a new transmission.
I was told by the Service Advisor that a possible reason for the damage is that the V6's have so much torque that it probably contributed to the problem. So then my question is, "Why am I responsible for an item that is not normally a 'wear & tear' item?" This sounds like a Honda design issue. But of course this is not centered on the media (like Toyota) and unless there's a slew of Accord owners having the same problem, it's not going to get anywhere in terms of Honda taking responsiblility.
My question is how dangerous is it to keep it the way it is and down the line trade it in to (another) Honda dealership and make it their problem. We didn't do any major mods, race it, no accident and was garaged. So we cared for this car and still love it. But find it very upsetting that I have to fork about $1000 to fix their design issue and the Transmission problem may have stemmed from this mouting issue.
Is the engine going to just fall out and be a hazard to the driver?
Thanks for any help,
Newsrunner
PS. I should unleash my media hounds on this since Toyota has been the target so why not get Honda on the same wagon.
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Re: Engine Mount Question
Good luck with your media hounds - this is a comfort issue, not a safety issue. The engine will not fall out. It is an fairly easy job if you want to tackle it yourself.
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like they said it wont fall out. it will just make loud banging sounds everytime you put it into gear. in due time it will damage your axles from all the movement.
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Re: Engine Mount Question
Mind you, your Honda is 11years old. Engine mounts are made of rubber and can live harsh lives. They will wear out. Chalk it up to maintenance and be done with it. Some people cannot drive AT cars, sad really, constantly lugging the engine. This will prematurely wear out the engine mounts.
As for the transmission, the 98-02 cars are known to have problems with the AT, Honda/Acura know this. If the mileage on your car is low you may try squawking at your dealer and calling Honda directly. Be polite, be courteous, several folks have had their transmissions warranted.
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Thanks for all the info. Very interesting stuff and it makes sense. (Putting the Media Hounds away)
I went to the dealership (before reading the replies) and paid to have some valve replaced (does not do the idle problem anymore). Plus, the Service Manager showed me a Engine Mount sample of what is the problem. The mount appears to just have tearing in the thick rubber that surrounds the bolt that connects to the engine so it does appear to be a comfort issue (exactly what you said). The transmission, though, appears to be a combination of wear and tear with too much movement of the engine (from bad mounts) but I really do believe it's a design issue from Honda.
I'm not about to claim that I'm a professional engineer in design and development, but . . . it seems that the tension/torque factor for the mounts and frame of an Accord is rated more to conform to a 4-cylinder engine than the (new at the time of its release in '99) V6 VTEC that's in my wife's car. I'm pretty sure this same engine that's in the NSX has a different mounting system and probably more rigid for a higher performance car.
I look at it this way, if you took the Chevrolet LT1 Corvette engine and threw it in a Chevrolet Corsica . . .we'd have customers complaining about engines being thrown about 50 yards ahead of their car from accelerating hard. And how can you NOT jump on the pedal of a bada$$ VTEC in a 2-Door coupe that drives so awesome!
I would like to know if the 2008 (new design Accords) have changed their designs in the mounts and is there some improvements of reinforcing the frame so that there isn't any play from such a powerful engine?
I went to the dealership (before reading the replies) and paid to have some valve replaced (does not do the idle problem anymore). Plus, the Service Manager showed me a Engine Mount sample of what is the problem. The mount appears to just have tearing in the thick rubber that surrounds the bolt that connects to the engine so it does appear to be a comfort issue (exactly what you said). The transmission, though, appears to be a combination of wear and tear with too much movement of the engine (from bad mounts) but I really do believe it's a design issue from Honda.
I'm not about to claim that I'm a professional engineer in design and development, but . . . it seems that the tension/torque factor for the mounts and frame of an Accord is rated more to conform to a 4-cylinder engine than the (new at the time of its release in '99) V6 VTEC that's in my wife's car. I'm pretty sure this same engine that's in the NSX has a different mounting system and probably more rigid for a higher performance car.
I look at it this way, if you took the Chevrolet LT1 Corvette engine and threw it in a Chevrolet Corsica . . .we'd have customers complaining about engines being thrown about 50 yards ahead of their car from accelerating hard. And how can you NOT jump on the pedal of a bada$$ VTEC in a 2-Door coupe that drives so awesome!
I would like to know if the 2008 (new design Accords) have changed their designs in the mounts and is there some improvements of reinforcing the frame so that there isn't any play from such a powerful engine?
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Re: Engine Mount Question
I did replace 3 mounts on my 99 EX V6 4DR - Cost me less than $100 (parts).
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/anyone-please-tell-me-what-thing-2830297/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/front-engine-mount-loose-help-please-2831284/
The guys over here are very helpful - They will help to answer all your questions.
Danny
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/anyone-please-tell-me-what-thing-2830297/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-accord-1990-2002-2/front-engine-mount-loose-help-please-2831284/
The guys over here are very helpful - They will help to answer all your questions.
Danny
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