efficient hierarchy of upgrades? Opinions please.
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Hello everyone, first post.
I did some searching, but it was hard for me to find any definite plans of what should be upgraded first (for performance). I just got my 2000 Accord EX v6 and the first thing I did was put a AEM V2 intake on it (found it less than half price on craigslist) and after the obvious improvements that gave me I think I'm solidly addicted. What are the first parts to replace for a maximum cost:benefit efficient boost to the car's driving ability?
I'm very open minded, and care very much about the performance of my machinery, and very little about its looks. I like to drive, I don't really care what other people think (this car doesn't even have a stereo), So suspension and handling are also important, but probably not above at least one additional boost to hp and torque.
Thanks, Nolan
I did some searching, but it was hard for me to find any definite plans of what should be upgraded first (for performance). I just got my 2000 Accord EX v6 and the first thing I did was put a AEM V2 intake on it (found it less than half price on craigslist) and after the obvious improvements that gave me I think I'm solidly addicted. What are the first parts to replace for a maximum cost:benefit efficient boost to the car's driving ability?
I) I'm thinking of my second upgrade now, and some people are telling me to go with exhaust. I'm not yet a knowledgeable car person, so I need to know what to look for in the ways of exhaust.
II) It seems like fatter tires would follow that, as I can spin the stock ones even at 30mph.. (and they're brand new)
III)If there are other small powerful upgrades that I shouldn't overlook (ie; ground wire kits, throttle body spacers, etc) I'd like some opinions on those as well.
And after that... what next? And then? I'll keep going till it can tear a hole in the space time continuum. I'm very open minded, and care very much about the performance of my machinery, and very little about its looks. I like to drive, I don't really care what other people think (this car doesn't even have a stereo), So suspension and handling are also important, but probably not above at least one additional boost to hp and torque.
Thanks, Nolan
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upper and lower intake manifolds off of an 05+ odyssey. lower IM ports are HUGE compared to what you've got now. its a simple mod and should make a big difference.
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your next step would be exhaust header and exhaust system... probably about $300 for a DC sports header, and about $450 for a top class exhaust...
the true way to increase power would be to Turbo the engine, that is a more popular step with the 4cyl engines though....
If your car is manual, this will make sense.. if it is auto, don't bother because the transmission will not like it very much...
Also, if you plan on upgrading the tyres/wheels... do a brake upgrade while you are at it..
You can do it many different ways...
1. Rotors, you can buy better ones (eg brembo sport) in your same current size, or you can upgrade them when you upgrade your wheel size... any upsize in rotors will increase performance..
2. Pads.. the most important part of the upgrade... I personally highly reccomend hawk HPS pads for these accords regardless of what other brake components you are running..
check this link, that covers both the front and rear pads and comes with a free bottle up motul rbf600 (worth about $20)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories
3. That brings me to point 3.. Upgrade your brake fluid to any good quality racing fluid...
http://www.raceshopper.com/brake_fluid.shtml
That site is a good place to read up on the different brands... Castrol SRF is without a doubt the best, but in a different price class...
Brembo LCF is the next best... and best value for money is the ATE superblue
4. Upgrade your brake lines .. Goodridge lines are my personal choice and will run you about $110 - $115.. these will improve pedal feel and also help with brake modulation..
5. If you want to get into some serious brake work, you can upgrade your 1 piston brake caliper to the 2 piston models which came with the Legend or the NSX... there are writeups about this if you google it...
6. As you probably know, softer, wider , stickier tyres always help when it comes to braking....
I recently did 1-4 on my accord and am 100% pleased with the results....
the true way to increase power would be to Turbo the engine, that is a more popular step with the 4cyl engines though....
If your car is manual, this will make sense.. if it is auto, don't bother because the transmission will not like it very much...
Also, if you plan on upgrading the tyres/wheels... do a brake upgrade while you are at it..
You can do it many different ways...
1. Rotors, you can buy better ones (eg brembo sport) in your same current size, or you can upgrade them when you upgrade your wheel size... any upsize in rotors will increase performance..
2. Pads.. the most important part of the upgrade... I personally highly reccomend hawk HPS pads for these accords regardless of what other brake components you are running..
check this link, that covers both the front and rear pads and comes with a free bottle up motul rbf600 (worth about $20)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories
3. That brings me to point 3.. Upgrade your brake fluid to any good quality racing fluid...
http://www.raceshopper.com/brake_fluid.shtml
That site is a good place to read up on the different brands... Castrol SRF is without a doubt the best, but in a different price class...
Brembo LCF is the next best... and best value for money is the ATE superblue
4. Upgrade your brake lines .. Goodridge lines are my personal choice and will run you about $110 - $115.. these will improve pedal feel and also help with brake modulation..
5. If you want to get into some serious brake work, you can upgrade your 1 piston brake caliper to the 2 piston models which came with the Legend or the NSX... there are writeups about this if you google it...
6. As you probably know, softer, wider , stickier tyres always help when it comes to braking....
I recently did 1-4 on my accord and am 100% pleased with the results....
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your next step would be exhaust header and exhaust system... probably about $300 for a DC sports header, and about $450 for a top class exhaust...
the true way to increase power would be to Turbo the engine, that is a more popular step with the 4cyl engines though....
If your car is manual, this will make sense.. if it is auto, don't bother because the transmission will not like it very much...
Also, if you plan on upgrading the tyres/wheels... do a brake upgrade while you are at it..
You can do it many different ways...
1. Rotors, you can buy better ones (eg brembo sport) in your same current size, or you can upgrade them when you upgrade your wheel size... any upsize in rotors will increase performance..
2. Pads.. the most important part of the upgrade... I personally highly reccomend hawk HPS pads for these accords regardless of what other brake components you are running..
check this link, that covers both the front and rear pads and comes with a free bottle up motul rbf600 (worth about $20)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories
3. That brings me to point 3.. Upgrade your brake fluid to any good quality racing fluid...
http://www.raceshopper.com/brake_fluid.shtml
That site is a good place to read up on the different brands... Castrol SRF is without a doubt the best, but in a different price class...
Brembo LCF is the next best... and best value for money is the ATE superblue
4. Upgrade your brake lines .. Goodridge lines are my personal choice and will run you about $110 - $115.. these will improve pedal feel and also help with brake modulation..
5. If you want to get into some serious brake work, you can upgrade your 1 piston brake caliper to the 2 piston models which came with the Legend or the NSX... there are writeups about this if you google it...
6. As you probably know, softer, wider , stickier tyres always help when it comes to braking....
I recently did 1-4 on my accord and am 100% pleased with the results....
the true way to increase power would be to Turbo the engine, that is a more popular step with the 4cyl engines though....
If your car is manual, this will make sense.. if it is auto, don't bother because the transmission will not like it very much...
Also, if you plan on upgrading the tyres/wheels... do a brake upgrade while you are at it..
You can do it many different ways...
1. Rotors, you can buy better ones (eg brembo sport) in your same current size, or you can upgrade them when you upgrade your wheel size... any upsize in rotors will increase performance..
2. Pads.. the most important part of the upgrade... I personally highly reccomend hawk HPS pads for these accords regardless of what other brake components you are running..
check this link, that covers both the front and rear pads and comes with a free bottle up motul rbf600 (worth about $20)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories
3. That brings me to point 3.. Upgrade your brake fluid to any good quality racing fluid...
http://www.raceshopper.com/brake_fluid.shtml
That site is a good place to read up on the different brands... Castrol SRF is without a doubt the best, but in a different price class...
Brembo LCF is the next best... and best value for money is the ATE superblue
4. Upgrade your brake lines .. Goodridge lines are my personal choice and will run you about $110 - $115.. these will improve pedal feel and also help with brake modulation..
5. If you want to get into some serious brake work, you can upgrade your 1 piston brake caliper to the 2 piston models which came with the Legend or the NSX... there are writeups about this if you google it...
6. As you probably know, softer, wider , stickier tyres always help when it comes to braking....
I recently did 1-4 on my accord and am 100% pleased with the results....
1) If you're not maxing out your current rotors, just upgrade to better quality ones - Brembo blanks, cheaper than slotted/drilled but very good
2) Pads I agree, Hawk HPS is a pretty good upgrade
3) Eh, just doing a complete system flush is more than enough probably, no real reason to go to a racing fluid if he's not boiling his now
4) No arguments excellent and noticeable upgrade
5) I had NSX calipers, huge upgrade over stock, probably would be beneficial in the larger/heavier 6th gen. I wouldn't do the Legend for the piston placement but that's just me
6) Goodyear Eagle F1 (not below 32o weather though haha)
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Thanks for the reply muffinman...
RE: 1. Brembo blanks are very good quality, the main reason I went up to the sport slotted's is that I got it on sale so the pair only cost me about $25 more than blanks.. so I figured why not... not to mention I'm drawn to the gold finish..
RE: 3 My reason for the brake fluid upgrade is twofold...
not only for the higher boiling points ( I used to frequently boil my "regular" fluid) but the additional reduction in compressibility giving by racing brake fluid compliments the brake lines upgrade very much...
Even if someone doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on fluid, at $12 per litre, the ATE superblue (or typ 200 amber) are excellent value for the price.. I tried the fluid out on a completely stock braking system (my sisters maxima) and it actually made a small but noticeable difference to pedal feel
RE: 5 , the NSX clearly is a better upgrade but naturally will cost more.. This one is purely up to someones pocket or the amount of work they are willing to take on...
Finally, RE: 6 - I personally am a big fan of the Bridgestone Potenza Pole Position tyres, I find them to be better all rounders than the Goodyear f1's, but for dry grip, the Goodyear's cannot be beat! Also, the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus are some mean rubbers
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Norane, how much of a difference would you say the AEM V2 made.. if you didnt get it half price would you have splashed out for it or would you have just bought a "regular" intake...
Also, is the v2 for your car designed as a cold air intake or as a short ram intake? (where the filter is under the hood and not outside the engine bay)
RE: 1. Brembo blanks are very good quality, the main reason I went up to the sport slotted's is that I got it on sale so the pair only cost me about $25 more than blanks.. so I figured why not... not to mention I'm drawn to the gold finish..
RE: 3 My reason for the brake fluid upgrade is twofold...
not only for the higher boiling points ( I used to frequently boil my "regular" fluid) but the additional reduction in compressibility giving by racing brake fluid compliments the brake lines upgrade very much...
Even if someone doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on fluid, at $12 per litre, the ATE superblue (or typ 200 amber) are excellent value for the price.. I tried the fluid out on a completely stock braking system (my sisters maxima) and it actually made a small but noticeable difference to pedal feel
RE: 5 , the NSX clearly is a better upgrade but naturally will cost more.. This one is purely up to someones pocket or the amount of work they are willing to take on...
Finally, RE: 6 - I personally am a big fan of the Bridgestone Potenza Pole Position tyres, I find them to be better all rounders than the Goodyear f1's, but for dry grip, the Goodyear's cannot be beat! Also, the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus are some mean rubbers
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Norane, how much of a difference would you say the AEM V2 made.. if you didnt get it half price would you have splashed out for it or would you have just bought a "regular" intake...
Also, is the v2 for your car designed as a cold air intake or as a short ram intake? (where the filter is under the hood and not outside the engine bay)
Last edited by nicolaselias; 09-10-2009 at 04:38 AM.
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Thanks for the reply muffinman...
RE: 1. Brembo blanks are very good quality, the main reason I went up to the sport slotted's is that I got it on sale so the pair only cost me about $25 more than blanks.. so I figured why not... not to mention I'm drawn to the gold finish..
RE: 3 My reason for the brake fluid upgrade is twofold...
not only for the higher boiling points ( I used to frequently boil my "regular" fluid) but the additional reduction in compressibility giving by racing brake fluid compliments the brake lines upgrade very much...
Even if someone doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on fluid, at $12 per litre, the ATE superblue (or typ 200 amber) are excellent value for the price.. I tried the fluid out on a completely stock braking system (my sisters maxima) and it actually made a small but noticeable difference to pedal feel
RE: 5 , the NSX clearly is a better upgrade but naturally will cost more.. This one is purely up to someones pocket or the amount of work they are willing to take on...
Finally, RE: 6 - I personally am a big fan of the Bridgestone Potenza Pole Position tyres, I find them to be better all rounders than the Goodyear f1's, but for dry grip, the Goodyear's cannot be beat!
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Norane, how much of a difference would you say the AEM V2 made.. if you didnt get it half price would you have splashed out for it or would you have just bought a "regular" intake...
Also, is the v2 for your car designed as a cold air intake or as a short ram intake (where the filter is under the hood and not outside the engine bay)
RE: 1. Brembo blanks are very good quality, the main reason I went up to the sport slotted's is that I got it on sale so the pair only cost me about $25 more than blanks.. so I figured why not... not to mention I'm drawn to the gold finish..
RE: 3 My reason for the brake fluid upgrade is twofold...
not only for the higher boiling points ( I used to frequently boil my "regular" fluid) but the additional reduction in compressibility giving by racing brake fluid compliments the brake lines upgrade very much...
Even if someone doesn't want to spend a bunch of money on fluid, at $12 per litre, the ATE superblue (or typ 200 amber) are excellent value for the price.. I tried the fluid out on a completely stock braking system (my sisters maxima) and it actually made a small but noticeable difference to pedal feel
RE: 5 , the NSX clearly is a better upgrade but naturally will cost more.. This one is purely up to someones pocket or the amount of work they are willing to take on...
Finally, RE: 6 - I personally am a big fan of the Bridgestone Potenza Pole Position tyres, I find them to be better all rounders than the Goodyear f1's, but for dry grip, the Goodyear's cannot be beat!
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Norane, how much of a difference would you say the AEM V2 made.. if you didnt get it half price would you have splashed out for it or would you have just bought a "regular" intake...
Also, is the v2 for your car designed as a cold air intake or as a short ram intake (where the filter is under the hood and not outside the engine bay)
No arguments on my part
To note I got a hell of a deal on my NSX calipers which is why I went with them. I upgraded to ATE SuperBlue myself when I replaced my BMC (I boiled my stock fluid at AutoX'ing multiple times and had no idea when it was last replaced)
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Thanks for the advice everyone, keep it coming. Some follow up..
The AEM V2 -- Very impressive and noticeable difference to the cars acceleration, and the noise is perfect. Not buggy or too deep, but just right. It is cold air, outside the bay and rests just next to the driver wheel. I doubt I would have bought one if it was full price, unless I drove an accord with only that mod so I could tell the difference. Then ya, it would have been on there in a jiffy regardless of discount or no.
furthermore;
Hadn't thought of that, several questions>>>
The AEM V2 -- Very impressive and noticeable difference to the cars acceleration, and the noise is perfect. Not buggy or too deep, but just right. It is cold air, outside the bay and rests just next to the driver wheel. I doubt I would have bought one if it was full price, unless I drove an accord with only that mod so I could tell the difference. Then ya, it would have been on there in a jiffy regardless of discount or no.
furthermore;
1)is there any overload type complication danger? this is common? do I need to replace my stock computer?
2)where the hell do you get honda odyessy j32a2 intake manifolds, injector base, and throttle body? hondaautomotiveparts.com? seems like there should be another option.. does anyone shop at salvage yards?
How easy will this be exactly? I consider myself intelligent and capable, but have literally no experience under the hood.
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pretty much guaranteed eh? I Was thinking of buying a new one anyway..
but are you saying any further modification will strain my transmission, and is basically pointless?
but are you saying any further modification will strain my transmission, and is basically pointless?
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no. an intake and/or exhaust system wont strain the trans, theres really little to no gains with that stuff on these cars. its your car, do what you want, but yea, the tranny failing is just about guaranteed, unless you end up being one of the lucky few, and by few, i mean few, haha. you could always cl-s 6 speed trans swap it....or the 6 speed from the 7g accords, but that requires a little more work.
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