accordexchange

i went to inline pro in springfield, va earlier this afternoon to get my car tuned... dynotuning scared the shiet out of me and at the end of the day i left a little disappointed... but then again, i shouldn't have high expectations... i was almost afraid to post my numbers up but then again, i'm looking for help on this board-not to get bashed... took a few pics for fun too... sorry i haven't had a chance to scan the dyno sheet but it comes out to about 140 hp at the wheels and 155 lbs of torque at 6 psi... inline says i could be losing about 20-30 hp because of the auto and real hp may be higher on the street than on the dyno... definitely need to beef up the tranny before i think about 10 psi... anyway, got 3" exhaust piping sitting at home... waiting for skunk2 cam gear in the mail... will be getting profec b soon... and talking to a few people about auto tranny upgrades to handle boost...

people will say swap a manual tranny but i'm still going for a turbo'd auto (accord)... what other upgrades should i get..? and what can i expect with 8 or 10 psi..? help...








[Modified by accordexchange, 11:49 PM 1/18/2003]

RABBIT9

Hey man, keep plugging away at it; you'll get there.

Level Ten Transmissions should be able to help you with the tranny upgrades.

greensleeper

what boost were you running at? damn man I can understand your dissapointment in those numbers. seems like theres got to be something missing.

Accord94DX

OMG, that is terrible. What is your fuel management? What was you air fuel ratio?

cyrixvsp2

well, that is kinda low, but really not that bad. If you look at this, the car stock is probably 140hp right? take about 20% (28hp) away from that to show you what the HP would be at the wheels.....and that's 112.
so stock you'd be about 112hp on the dyno, so you added 28hp with your turbo. with the adjustable cam gears, definately that new exhaust, you'll be getting about 40hp extra from that turbo. 40hp from 6psi is nice. If you have stock shitty exhaust then definately the new exhaust will open that up, your torque will probably stay the same if anything, but HP should be definately freed with 3" exhaust. then just do some tuning with the cam gears and you're rocking.
that auto tranny probably hurts you quite a bit. i'd definately put a tranny oil cooler on it or say bye bye to that tranny.
how much did that cost you to run on the dyno? i would have waited until you got everything on there to save some money.

Nick M

lose the auto tranny man, seriously, its not worth the trouble

rrei

yeah man u know how i feel, swap it , its gonna cost u more to ugrade ur auto tranny than to swwap a manual and upgrade it

ArchAngel Sabastian

wheres the dyno graph

DLB1994

any more pic from inside there shop

DLB1994

and whats your setup

accordexchange

RABBIT9, thanks for the support man-i need it...

greensleeper, only 6 psi... no boost controller yet... didn't want to get too greedy by turning up the boost to 10 psi already and kiss the tranny goodbye... most of the horsepower loss is definitely in the tranny...

Accord94DX, i know-ouch... fuel management is a'pexi vafc and dsm 440 cc injectors... vafc/440 hack or whatever you want to call it... air fuel ratio is about 14.5 from 3000-3500 rpms... then from 3500-6000 rpms it gradually changes from 12 to 11...

cyrixvsp2, i'm hoping the 3" exhaust will do the trick... right now i have a drag 2.5" downpipe, 2.25" test pipe, and 2.25" 5zigen catback exhaust... 3" exhaust piping (thanks to Mkteller8) is sitting in my room... waiting for the 5zigen universal turbo muffler to come in... however, i'm wondering if the cam gear will do anything at all... most places i've talked to seem to think they're not going to do much (or anything at all) for turbo'd cars... all motor maybe... what about pullies also..? i was thinking unorthodox... free up some power there... i actually did get a tranny cooler (from FAL or Flex-A-Lite) installed along with the turbo kit... inline charged me only $195 total for the dyno session with air/fuel and tuning... it was actually like 3 or more pulls but they charged me for just 1... $130 for the dyno session with air/fuel and $65.00 for tuning... i'm definitely going back there again when i'm ready for 10 psi...

Nick M & rrei, i know-i'm just being hardheaded and stupid...

ArchAngel Sabastian, i don't have a scanner... i'll try to get it up when i can...

DLB1994, unfortunately no other pics of the shop... they did have like a ton of manifolds, turbos, and blocks in the showroom... in the back A LOT of civic hatchbacks and about two integras... my setup is:

drag 4 turbo kit
tial 35mm wastegate (.45 spring)
t3 super 60 turbo
hks ssqv blowoff valve
fal tranny cooler
a'pexi vafc (hack)
dsm 440 cc injectors


[Modified by accordexchange, 7:11 AM 1/19/2003]

Conechaser

Tha was a EXPENSIVE dyno pull.


Dynoes around here charge ~$60 for 3pulls w/ a/f reading.

gogeeta13

your torque is looking pretty good. you have low HP because of the auto tranny. just give up, and go manual.

accordexchange

94Accord, sorry i wrote that wrong... total should've been like $390... but i was charged for 1 dyno session (3 pulls with air/fuel ratio), which was $130.00... and it was definitely more than 1 dyno session (like 6 pulls or something)... and it was supposed to be 2 hours worth of tuning but they dropped it to 1... $195 was less than i expected and below my budget-can't complain...but then again, i guess the rates in TN are pretty damn nice...

gogeeta13, thanks... i'm not going to give up yet..! hehe...



[Modified by accordexchange, 7:46 AM 1/19/2003]

accordfreak

ouchh....do you have the dyno sheet?

PUREVIL

werd about building the automagic.. you will be losing about 15-20 hp through that... UNLESS IT IS BUILD WITH A STALL CONVERTER! But you really dont need to go to level ten.. I know a few peeps who build for them... but thats all im saying... and all i have to say is.. ouch... get that tranny work done. what is you fuel setup?

BUT THEN AGAIN YOU ARE AT 6LBS OF BOOST....

the crazy thing is,, Accordz from HS ins dynoed at 157 at the wheels with a NA f22, cam, header , catback, wires plugs, cam gear a fuel system...

anyways.... its all about tuning .. the turbo is a neverending battle...

Brandon

Well, I think that you may have a problem with the torque converter slipping. Your engine is somewhere around 180-190hp, maybe more. However that torque converter may not be locking up, and it doesn't allow the turbo to spool right. On another not, look at the torque. You CAN'T be disspointed about 155lb/ft with an auto. I think you should switch to an H22 TB and port the IM. Then go to a ported head. Afterwards, you'll be closer to 180-190whp.

WhoNeedsVtec

couldnt have said it better.

Did you check your vacuum lines maybe you have a leak.

accordexchange

accordfreak, how much boost are you running and how much horsepower are you making..? for the dyno sheet, look below...

BoostedBigBodyLXaccord, where to get the stall converter..?? what are my tranny options and where to go..? my fuel setup is the vafc hack (a'pexi vafc and dsm 440 injectors) and a drag inline fuel pump... you're right-i'm only at 6lbs of boost... i don't think Accordz has an automatic does he..? i think everyone forgets sometimes that i'm auto and they expect me to still have that missing 15-20 hp...

Brandon, how much am i looking and what can i expect from an H22 TB, porting the IM, and then a ported head for the money..?

WhoNeedsVtec, vacuum lines seem to be fine... however, i do recall the shop (vertex) who installed the kit saying there was a small leak from the manifold... but we were all confused since i used a mr gasket copper exhaust manifold gasket... should i be using some kind of high temp. sealant..?



sorry for the bad pic-i didn't have a scanner so i used my friend's digital camera... the blue line represents vtec setting at 3800 rpms... the red is at 3500 rpms... and the green is at 4100 rpms...


[Modified by accordexchange, 3:27 AM 1/20/2003]

cyrixvsp2

hm....already have 2.25" exhaust, so going to 3" won't make that big of diff...it'll change, but not that much, they recommend 2.5 for turbo. that will free up some HP but not as much as it would going from stock exhaust to 3".

probably your tranny eating up that HP.

Desslok

That is really bad for turbo. Have you done a compression test lately? And a tune up? I would do those things first.

accordexchange

no compression check but regular oil change and tune up... if 140 hp and 155 lbs of torque is bad for 6 psi on an automatic, what numbers do you think i should've been getting..?

Accord94DX

compression + leakdown test asap. Your a/f ratio goes into melting pistons lean when vtec is engaged.

accordexchange

are you referring to when the vtec engagement is set at 3500 rpms (the red line)..?

Accord94DX

jeah