all motor f22a1 question
04-28-2009, 07:03 PM
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all motor f22a1 question
ok im building an all motor f22a1 using bisimotos parts. my question is i dont want to use bisi's pistons cause there 12:1 comp. and i dont wanna run race fuel everytime or risk detonation from using premium fuel on that comp. my initial idea was to bore the block out to 87mm and use the h22 type-s pistons to acheive 11:1 comp. then use mls head gasket to net 11.5:1 tops. but im worried about the pistons failing. anyone kno how much the type-s pistons can withstand or recommend other pistons?
04-28-2009, 07:18 PM
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Re: all motor f22a1 question
The max safe bore on the f22a is only 86mm. You will need to sleeve if you want to go bigger. The 12:1 pistons from bisi are fine on pump premium fuel. That compression is perfectly same to run on the street when tuned right.
04-30-2009, 06:57 AM
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Re: all motor f22a1 question
when i talked to a few different shops for tuning they advised me to stay away from 12:1 cause it couldnt properly be tuned for premuim fuel and would almost cetainly cause a premature detonation. so what should i do?
07-19-2009, 07:22 PM
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i call it my bisi build cause all my parts are bisi's parts, but i personally built it myself, it has potential to be at 326whp, but im at 268 right now, bisi's headers help a ton, i was iffy on boring the block to 86mm from 85mm since the service limit is only .5 but i havent had any issues so far. another thing that i wish i woulda thought thru more was going with maybe 11.6:1 comp. max instead of 12:1 cause of tuning and gas purposes, i run premium fuel then some octane booster, instead of say 103 octane. from what im told i should be using race gas, so my motor wont last as long as it should but i recently joined the army and im going to be giving the car to my brother but with the stock f22b2 motor that was originally in it till i get back. then either do work with the f22a1 or start the f20b. and now im rambling and thread jacking so yea f20b h22a type-s. answer your question dude who was askin one?
So you have an 86mm x 95mm F22A1 w/268 Whp and an A/T. That's pretty sweet. I would look into a 5spd swap before you get up to 330hp.
Do you have a dyno for your current 268 build? This engine sounds like you did quite a bit of work to it. Any head work and what cam are you running? From what I have been hearing 12:1 shouldn't be any problems running premium gas with a good tune.
07-19-2009, 07:32 PM
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Man you got a Bisi header already. Sweet! How did you manage that? Any pics? Those things are sweet, minus the chunky welds that I saw on a few of the earlier ones. Did you get vers 1 or 2?
07-19-2009, 07:43 PM
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i converted to a manual after the break in period about 3 weeks ago, the auto tranny was shift lockin on me and started slippin bad which sucked i spent hella on a 3500rpm stall converter for that a while back, for now im just using the f-series tranny i really want the f2d kit but hella spendy. after all the money i spent just finishing the motor im pretty broke, lol. i got the header used from a shop around here, dude claims to kno bisi but i think hes full of ****. as far as head work im running 1mm oversized valves and bisi's stage 3 cam, and what the machine shop called a stage 2 pnp job. as far as tuning they said it should run fine, which so far it has, but it wont last as long as it should im just stubborn and went with my initial idea of 12:1 instead of thinkin it thru like i was originally. ill post pics of the dyno sheets and headers asap.
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07-21-2009, 01:51 AM
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I was thinking the same thing but I wanted to give him a chance. Not sure how many used Bisi headers are floating around out there though. 
07-21-2009, 07:41 PM
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Re: all motor f22a1 question
heres my dyno sheet since your all a bunch of unbelieving ***s, but im verifying that i have purchased an actual bisi header and not a knock-off with bisi before i post that pic so i dont get ridiculed if its a fake that i was cheated out on. im waiting for his response.
07-21-2009, 07:56 PM
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Sorry dude, just not possible without a serious bump in compression. An over-cammed motor will make less power than a properly cammed motor with a smaller cam.
Bisi has customers with F22 all motor builds making 270-280whp, but they already have 12:1+ pistons. Are you gonna tell us you got your head milled like .090"?
Bisi has customers with F22 all motor builds making 270-280whp, but they already have 12:1+ pistons. Are you gonna tell us you got your head milled like .090"?
07-21-2009, 08:02 PM
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Sorry to be skeptical. But, you went from this
To almost 300 whp N/A in less than three months. $$$$ and not many people actually come out of nowhere and build a 300 whp motor without proof. It took me 2 months just to get all of my parts ordered, produced and shipped. You ordered parts, built a motor broke it in for three weeks and then swapped a 5spd. That is a quick build. 
Did you get all of your parts off the shelf?
Oh, AFAccord. he did state that he is currently running 12:1 86mm pistons.
Originally Posted by cd5man
ok im building an all motor f22a1 using bisimotos parts. my question is i dont want to use bisi's pistons cause there 12:1 comp. and i dont wanna run race fuel everytime or risk detonation from using premium fuel on that comp. my initial idea was to bore the block out to 87mm and use the h22 type-s pistons to acheive 11:1 comp. then use mls head gasket to net 11.5:1 tops. but im worried about the pistons failing. anyone kno how much the type-s pistons can withstand or recommend other pistons?
Did you get all of your parts off the shelf?
Oh, AFAccord. he did state that he is currently running 12:1 86mm pistons.
07-22-2009, 06:26 AM
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pistons and valves were all i was waiting for at this pointit took a whole 4 days to get the block bored and 2 solid days of putting everything back together. if you guys werent lazy then you could do the same. i have deadlines to meet since i am in the army im leaving soon so i wanted to get this done and play with it before i do leave, and swap the f22b2 back in for my brother so he can drive the car. ****ing people are rediculous sorry you dont believe me, honestly i could care less im done tryin to prove anything to you guys that are obviously just tryin to hate
07-22-2009, 06:39 AM
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YOU CAN NOT MAKE 200+ WHP ON A NATURALLY ASPIRATED F22 ON STOCK PISTONS WITH STOCK COMPRESSION WITHOUT NITROUS.
Get over yourself and stop insulting our intelligence with these ignorant claims...
Get over yourself and stop insulting our intelligence with these ignorant claims...
07-22-2009, 06:55 AM
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as far as head work im running 1mm oversized valves and bisi's stage 3 cam, and what the machine shop called a stage 2 pnp job. as far as tuning they said it should run fine, which so far it has, but it wont last as long as it should im just stubborn and went with my initial idea of 12:1 instead of thinkin it thru like i was originally.
I have yet to see where he says "I have 12:1 pistons".
All I see is a mixed up story about "it's done", "it's not done", "its running fine so far", "I'm waiting for pistons and valves"... yet we have someone's dyno sheet here showing 281whp on an untuned motor that has no pistons or valves in it. Tell me how that works?
And by the way... A Bisimoto level 3 hardweld cam DOES NOT stop making power at 5500rpm.
So let me go ahead and do this again...
07-22-2009, 06:59 AM
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I did find it funny the dynojet picture is cropped to where it gives no info, usually you get at least a file name like "accord_dyno_10.dyno" or something. But his is a logo, then an obviously cropped portion (note the difference in the whites) and then a chart.
07-22-2009, 07:13 AM
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I'm still scratching my head as to why you would go threw the hastle of putting the F22B2 back in the car? Are you afraid that your bro might blow it up?
Who is Hans2817?
Who is Hans2817?
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07-22-2009, 12:46 PM
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All I know is my da boast 300 whp and 298ft lbs torque! all motor. I got a super cooled flex compassater spark plug relms alumni bronze jet exhaust, I smoke lambos and vetts... And then I woke up! Stories are fun.
07-22-2009, 11:39 PM
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Ok ok ok maybe you've got these:
F22A - ~130hp
Bisimoto stage 3 cams that apparently stop making power at 5K rpm ~60whp
Untuned
Stock valves, valve springs and retainers, stock bore pistons and compression
TYPE R batch - ~50whp
Big wing - ~41.5whp
I'll call you and the cropped dynograph a......
Lamest **** i've seen to showoff (you can see a plain white blotch instead of a square grid background) = FAIL
F22A - ~130hp
Bisimoto stage 3 cams that apparently stop making power at 5K rpm ~60whp
Untuned
Stock valves, valve springs and retainers, stock bore pistons and compression
TYPE R batch - ~50whp
Big wing - ~41.5whp
I'll call you and the cropped dynograph a......
Lamest **** i've seen to showoff (you can see a plain white blotch instead of a square grid background) = FAIL
07-23-2009, 12:20 AM
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Re: all motor f22a1 question
i converted to a manual after the break in period about 3 weeks ago, the auto tranny was shift lockin on me and started slippin bad which sucked i spent hella on a 3500rpm stall converter for that a while back, for now im just using the f-series tranny i really want the f2d kit but hella spendy. after all the money i spent just finishing the motor im pretty broke, lol. i got the header used from a shop around here, dude claims to kno bisi but i think hes full of ****. as far as head work im running 1mm oversized valves and bisi's stage 3 cam, and what the machine shop called a stage 2 pnp job. as far as tuning they said it should run fine, which so far it has, but it wont last as long as it should im just stubborn and went with my initial idea of 12:1 instead of thinkin it thru like i was originally. ill post pics of the dyno sheets and headers asap.
Did you get the header from Matt Poon???
If so its real. There are a few people around these parts that know him fairly well, not just jock nim.
His all motor F makes around 300whp. iTS IN A crx (Matt H's car)
07-26-2009, 09:25 AM
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extralarge i got it from a guy named jeremy stevens, and afaaccord you obviously dont know how to read or seem to know much about cars, i read your thread about removing the timing plate and spring from your valve-train, dumbass. and i want the b2 back in cause ive spent too much on the a1 for my brother to wreck it or blow it up while im gone
07-27-2009, 01:21 AM
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And you can't even copy and past my SN correctly?
07-27-2009, 01:46 AM
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You are so Busted. cd5man.
The second dyno sheet image in the link below looks very familiar.
Click here for the original posting of this dyno graph
Next time you steal someones images or try to edit one at least change the image name before you try to pass it off.
Epic Fail!
The second dyno sheet image in the link below looks very familiar.
Click here for the original posting of this dyno graph
Next time you steal someones images or try to edit one at least change the image name before you try to pass it off.
Epic Fail!
07-27-2009, 04:10 AM
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Hmmm... go figure.
A 300whp N/A F22 would its power way up in the RPM range, while torque would peak much lower. It's impossible (at least by my logic) to make so much torque from an N/A ~2.2L through the entire low RPM range. If it were spraying or boosting, the dyno chart would show the turbo spooling up, or the spray being activated, even with a progressive setup. That means the power band on the chart could only have come from a supercharged engine or one of much greater displacement than an F22.
Nice find Ghost. We knew it was BS, and now we have the proof.
A 300whp N/A F22 would its power way up in the RPM range, while torque would peak much lower. It's impossible (at least by my logic) to make so much torque from an N/A ~2.2L through the entire low RPM range. If it were spraying or boosting, the dyno chart would show the turbo spooling up, or the spray being activated, even with a progressive setup. That means the power band on the chart could only have come from a supercharged engine or one of much greater displacement than an F22.
Nice find Ghost. We knew it was BS, and now we have the proof.
07-27-2009, 04:18 AM
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You are so Busted. cd5man.
The second dyno sheet image in the link below looks very familiar.
Click here for the original posting of this dyno graph
Next time you steal someones images or try to edit one at least change the image name before you try to pass it off.
Epic Fail!
The second dyno sheet image in the link below looks very familiar.
Click here for the original posting of this dyno graph
Next time you steal someones images or try to edit one at least change the image name before you try to pass it off.
Epic Fail!
Called it, I knew he edited out parts of that picture. What a ****ing moron.