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I Did not want to put the spacer behind the hub Because I was worried about the tapper of the axle stub and how the bearing would ride on it. The 6th gen axle stub is longer for sure. I don’t remember the exact measurements
I used all 6th gen stuff.
6th gen axle stub pressed into the 5 gen knuckle
6th gen hub,rotor and nut
i had a fab shop plasma cut 1/8 in spacers to go between the nut and hub.
the spacer for the 5 gen has a key way and the I.D. Was to small so it was easier to have some fabricated
Thanks for the response guys!
So, this is what I observed after testing the 98/02 Accord V6 rear knuckle/spindle and 97 prelude rear bearing/hub assembly.
-The shaft is longer than the 96/97 accord shaft and the shaft has slightly different features. The 96/97 accord has a groove running approximately the length of the threads where the washer sits in order not to move around and the 98/02 doesn't have this.
- The washer for the 96/97 will not work with on the 98/02 spindle because of the reason explain above.
- A washer will definitely be needed as stated in other threads.
Please see attached photos I took of the spindle with nut and spindle with nut and bearing/hub assembly on.
I saw that. I was hopping there was an OEM junkyard upgrade to save a few bucks. I think I’m just going to leave the rear alone. I just don’t like how small the rotors look behind 17 inch wheels.
I saw that. I was hopping there was an OEM junkyard upgrade to save a few bucks. I think I’m just going to leave the rear alone. I just don’t like how small the rotors look behind 17 inch wheels.
Same here. What you need is the bracket to space the calipers out from the hub so they will clear the rotors. The rotors come from a Honda Pilot. There are two rear calipers, one is the standard Accord version which is 34mm, and the one for the Accord wagon which is 38mm. It was also used on an Acura. I have found that sometimes the calipers on Accord wagons have been replaced by the 34mm ones, probably because some mechanic didn't know the difference, or he couldn't locate the correct ones as soon as he wanted them. Also, the parking brake cable needs a little attention because it is a longer distance from the bracket to the mounting point on the caliper. If you want a little more braking on the rear you could just swap out the calipers.
i had a local fabrication shop plasma cut them for me.
I saw that. I was hopping there was an OEM junkyard upgrade to save a few bucks. I think I’m just going to leave the rear alone. I just don’t like how small the rotors look behind 17 inch wheels.
Ok, I'll do the same. The shop i used to widen the 350Z rotors for the front should be able to do this for me.
I did this conversion on my 6th gen years ago just using v6 6th gen parts. If I am reading this correct I can do the same thing again ? I am just so confused on the rear part. I have a 94 ex sedan.
I did this conversion on my 6th gen years ago just using v6 6th gen parts. If I am reading this correct I can do the same thing again ? I am just so confused on the rear part. I have a 94 ex sedan.
5th Gens are not like 6th Gens in that respect where the V6 is 5 lug. All 5th Gen Accords are 4 lug. So no, you cannot just use V6 parts. Also, 5th Gen V6 (and wagon) hubs are larger diameter so they don't even fit on the regular 4 cylinder cars.
Your car is already an EX, so you have disc brakes already, which makes it a breeze.
You need the following parts for the rear:
- 97-01 Prelude rear hubs
- RSX or 6th Gen Accord rear rotors (they are the same thing)
- Use your OEM rear calipers.
Pull off your 4 lug rear hubs and rotors, slap on the Prelude hubs, RSX rotors, your stock calipers and you are golden.
There is one thing which you need to change. The spindle on the rear hub is too short when you use the Prelude hubs. I had to get the spindle from a Gen 6 hub and install it on the Gen 5 rear knuckle. Add a 1/8 inch spacer and it works out just right. Spacer was just a washer from the hardware store.
Also, there are many nice brake and rotor options you can use with the 5-lug setup. I tried various setups with mine and the brakes I have now are the best I have ever owned.
Thanks for the response, just trying to compile a parts list and understand what I am doing. I also want to do a big brake kit and change my brake lines so I thought might as well do everything in one shot.
I have front spindles from a 6th gen v6 accord already. But during my research through various posts I see ppl saying use Odyssey bearings, hub, calipers, pads and rotors. Isnt the 6th v6 stuff the exact same ?
Originally Posted by 1996accordlx
5th Gens are not like 6th Gens in that respect where the V6 is 5 lug. All 5th Gen Accords are 4 lug. So no, you cannot just use V6 parts. Also, 5th Gen V6 (and wagon) hubs are larger diameter so they don't even fit on the regular 4 cylinder cars.
Your car is already an EX, so you have disc brakes already, which makes it a breeze.
You need the following parts for the rear:
- 97-01 Prelude rear hubs
- RSX or 6th Gen Accord rear rotors (they are the same thing)
- Use your OEM rear calipers.
Pull off your 4 lug rear hubs and rotors, slap on the Prelude hubs, RSX rotors, your stock calipers and you are golden.
Im glad you mentioned brakes because thats part of the reason Im doing this. I want to do a big brake kit or use like the RL calipers. But back to conversion your saying use a 6th gen v6 hub instead of the prelude and add the 1/8 washer ?
Originally Posted by Fitz Williams
There is one thing which you need to change. The spindle on the rear hub is too short when you use the Prelude hubs. I had to get the spindle from a Gen 6 hub and install it on the Gen 5 rear knuckle. Add a 1/8 inch spacer and it works out just right. Spacer was just a washer from the hardware store.
Also, there are many nice brake and rotor options you can use with the 5-lug setup. I tried various setups with mine and the brakes I have now are the best I have ever owned.
No. Use the Gen 5 Prelude rear hubs. They are 5-lug but are a little longer than the Gen 5 Accord, but shorter than the Gen 6 Accord. They are "just right". Well almost. If you use the Gen 5 spindles, all of the threads in the spindle nut will not be used. I don't like that. So I pressed out the spindles and replaced them with spindles from a Gen 6 rear hub. V6 or 4 cyl are all the same. This gives me the length I need. If I use a washer under the nut. But the 5th Gen washer won't fit on the spindle properly, and since the 6th Gen didn't use a washer I didn't want to either. So I made up the difference by putting the washer BEHIND the knuckle when I pressed the new spindle into it. Now I don't have to worry about somebody forgetting to put the washer on when replacing the hubs. Also, the 5th and 6th Gen knuckles are very different, as is the whole rear suspension, but the diameter of the spindles are the same so the swap is very easy.
The front knuckles are different between a 5th and 6th Gen Accord. On the 5th, the hubs bolt onto the knuckles and on the 6th Gen they are pressed into them. Very different. I have always thought the the entire knuckle might be swapped, but I never tried to do that. Really no reason either. I used the Odyssey front knuckles and hubs and they work fine. The reason for not using the 5th Gen V6 or the Wagon hubs is that they are HOR and not ROH.
Also note that the 5th Gen Accord wagon has 38mm pistons in the rear calipers whereas the other Accords use 34mm ones. This may give you a little more brake on the rear. I couldn't tell the difference. Also some Accura use the 38mm ones as well. Just make sure they are really 38mm because some mechanics swap for the more available 34mm ones when replacing them.
One more thing If you use larger rear rotors, then the caliper will be spaced further back from the center of the hub. This means that the parking brake cable and the mount for the brake lines need a little attention. And on the front, if you use larger rotors, you will probably need new brake lines because the old ones are too short. Just make sure you get good ones.
Last edited by Fitz Williams; 12-17-2020 at 05:02 AM.
Just another note. The Gen 5 Accord rear hub has a washer between the hub and the spindle nut. The spindle has a slot cut in it and the washer has a corresponding lock which fits into the slot to prevent the washer from turning. When using the 6th Gen spindle, it does not have this slot and lock arrangement, but instead the bolt contacts the surface of the hub directly. It is my thinking that without the slot/lock arrangement it might be possible for the washer to turn and allow the nut to loosen. Maybe. But in the Gen 6 the nut presses directly on the hub, which in turn, presses directly on the knuckle so there is less likelihood of it coming loose. Maybe this is overthinking the situation, but this is what Honda did, and they did it for a reason. So I will go with them.
Ok the rear I completely understand now. 5th Gen Prelude hubs, 1/8 washer, and Rsx or 6th gen v6 rotors. Re use calipers and pads.
But I when I mentioned the 6th Gen V6 spindle for the front I was trying to say what is the difference with Odyssey ? Isn't the same exact thing as well as the rotors, hub, bearings, rotors and calipers ? I already have an extra pair laying around from the last time I did this conversion. So 1 less thing to source if I can use these.
Hmm I might look into that 38mm but doesn't sound like much of a difference from 34mm. Of course I'm sourcing all the parts and taking this on myself.
By the way I appreciate all your feedback I realized this thread is a few yrs old. I just couldn't seem to find a complete part list this time around. I want to pill up the parts and take this on when I find the wheels I want.
Originally Posted by Fitz Williams
No. Use the Gen 5 Prelude rear hubs. They are 5-lug but are a little longer than the Gen 5 Accord, but shorter than the Gen 6 Accord. They are "just right". Well almost. If you use the Gen 5 spindles, all of the threads in the spindle nut will not be used. I don't like that. So I pressed out the spindles and replaced them with spindles from a Gen 6 rear hub. V6 or 4 cyl are all the same. This gives me the length I need. If I use a washer under the nut. But the 5th Gen washer won't fit on the spindle properly, and since the 6th Gen didn't use a washer I didn't want to either. So I made up the difference by putting the washer BEHIND the knuckle when I pressed the new spindle into it. Now I don't have to worry about somebody forgetting to put the washer on when replacing the hubs. Also, the 5th and 6th Gen knuckles are very different, as is the whole rear suspension, but the diameter of the spindles are the same so the swap is very easy.
The front knuckles are different between a 5th and 6th Gen Accord. On the 5th, the hubs bolt onto the knuckles and on the 6th Gen they are pressed into them. Very different. I have always thought the the entire knuckle might be swapped, but I never tried to do that. Really no reason either. I used the Odyssey front knuckles and hubs and they work fine. The reason for not using the 5th Gen V6 or the Wagon hubs is that they are HOR and not ROH.
Also note that the 5th Gen Accord wagon has 38mm pistons in the rear calipers whereas the other Accords use 34mm ones. This may give you a little more brake on the rear. I couldn't tell the difference. Also some Accura use the 38mm ones as well. Just make sure they are really 38mm because some mechanics swap for the more available 34mm ones when replacing them.
One more thing If you use larger rear rotors, then the caliper will be spaced further back from the center of the hub. This means that the parking brake cable and the mount for the brake lines need a little attention. And on the front, if you use larger rotors, you will probably need new brake lines because the old ones are too short. Just make sure you get good ones.
For the rear, swapping to the 6G spindle isn't really necessary. Never seen anyone have an issue in 13+ years. What we normally do is ditch the Accord rear nut, and swap it out for a Mazda 626 nut. Its not quite as tall as the the Accord one, so it doesn't stick off the spindle like the Accord one. Thread wise though, you have plenty of revolutions to grab with the stock spindle, otherwise you'd hear stories of hubs falling off from people not switching. Have yet to see that ever mentioned.
Swapping to the 6G definitely won't hurt, but I wouldn't call it a necessity. Just some food for thought.
But I when I mentioned the 6th Gen V6 spindle for the front I was trying to say what is the difference with Odyssey ? Isn't the same exact thing as well as the rotors, hub, bearings, rotors and calipers ? I already have an extra pair laying around from the last time I did this conversion. So 1 less thing to source if I can use these.
The 6 Gen hub presses into the 6 Gen knuckle. The Odyssey hub bolts on to the knuckle. Very different.
Gotcha, in that sense I wonder if anyone went thru the trouble of just bolting an odyssey hub to the the 5th gen knuckle ?
Well I'll add that to the list as well
Originally Posted by Fitz Williams
The 6 Gen hub presses into the 6 Gen knuckle. The Odyssey hub bolts on to the knuckle. Very different.
Yeah I was hoping to just have to source from one car like I did before but it makes sense since 6th gen had both 4 and 5 lug but 5th gen were all 4 lugs.
Originally Posted by 1996accordlx
For the rear, swapping to the 6G spindle isn't really necessary. Never seen anyone have an issue in 13+ years. What we normally do is ditch the Accord rear nut, and swap it out for a Mazda 626 nut. Its not quite as tall as the the Accord one, so it doesn't stick off the spindle like the Accord one. Thread wise though, you have plenty of revolutions to grab with the stock spindle, otherwise you'd hear stories of hubs falling off from people not switching. Have yet to see that ever mentioned.
Swapping to the 6G definitely won't hurt, but I wouldn't call it a necessity. Just some food for thought.
The knuckles on the Odyssey have larger openings for the hubs and the hubs themselves are larger. I could not bolt an Odyssey hub on to my 94 Accord knuckles. Other than that, the Odyssey knuckles are identical to the Accord's.
sgraham01 nice.. here is my 94 accord with some accord 7th gen. wheels.. pictures suck sorrry.. i didnt use a washer on my conversion so i can use the 98-02 accord v6 rear hub bearings...
Why would you want to do this unless you had a Wagon or a V6?
Are you guys really that determined about getting all of the nut on the stub shaft?
Originally Posted by AttackAccord
Thanks for the response guys!
So, this is what I observed after testing the 98/02 Accord V6 rear knuckle/spindle and 97 prelude rear bearing/hub assembly.
-The shaft is longer than the 96/97 accord shaft and the shaft has slightly different features. The 96/97 accord has a groove running approximately the length of the threads where the washer sits in order not to move around and the 98/02 doesn't have this.
- The washer for the 96/97 will not work with on the 98/02 spindle because of the reason explain above.
- A washer will definitely be needed as stated in other threads.
Please see attached photos I took of the spindle with nut and spindle with nut and bearing/hub assembly on.
Would be nice if you guys could tell me the original size of tire of 4lugs wheel and 5 lugs wheel? is that the diameter of the tire from a 5lugs wheel a little bit larger than the diameter of the tire from a 4 lugs wheel accord? Thank you so much.
Why would you want to do this unless you had a Wagon or a V6?
Are you guys really that determined about getting all of the nut on the stub shaft?
Hey, could you please help telling me if I put on the 4lugs accord 2002 a whole parts from a V6 5lugs accord 2002-2003 and they fit well in with no need of changing anything? Thank you.
09-07-2020, 08:08 AM
Re: 5 lug conversion on 96 cd7
