HondaEXV6

is it possible and how?

Boughetto

YAY! Another newbie with another SMART question. I will TRY and be helpful. 1) Anything is possible with $ 2) why do you want 300hp in an accord?

HondaEXV6

Well, I'm about to get 1998 Accord V6 Coupe EX, and it will be my first car. I'm just curious as to how much HP can i possibly see come out of it.


[Modified by HondaEXV6, 12:39 PM 1/21/2002]

JUNIOR

yes basic bolt ons, engine work, turbo, nos .. or engine swap, bolt ons, turbo, nos

HondaEXV6

I'm trying to avoid NOS, and engine swapping if possible. Thanks

Gennady

Anything is possible. Do some research. Dont expect everything, especially information so complicated to be spoon fed.

vtec vsex

just letting you know before hand...300hp from an accord without nos is gonna cost you a lotttaaaaa money then getting 300hp from a teg or civic...

Nick H

start out with the simple intake and exhaust and if you can afford it try to get your car dynoed to see what the true hp is (i'm sure it's lost some and is a little less than 200 hp at the wheels). just work from that standpoint and keep most of your mods outside of the actual block if you want to work cheaper...if not then you can do a whole lot with pistons and cams to increase hp...but again...why would you spend that much $$$ on an accord...no offense to accords or anything...

ArchAngel Sabastian

id like to spoon feed some information and say

"no"

SOHCArchangel

if insane power is what you are looking for, asking it from this car is going to be trouble,...dont say we didnt warn you

1) ghey slushbox
2) cramped engine compartment
3) OBD XXXXXIVIIIXIVXVMCLVD
4) the CEL will be the new light on your console

ArchAngel Sabastian

everyone can take it from that,
that misa is not a obd2+ fan

urbanlegend21

aren't the V6's stock with 200hp? with the right mods, TC or SC, couldn't 300 hp be a likely goal? It might be expensive and require some fabrication but I wouldn't say it is not possible

Nick M

I dont think he specified whether he wanted it to the wheels or to the crank. Im assuming he meant at the crank as most newbies do.

AEM CAI, single 3" exhaust, and comptech headers would be a good start, that frees up alot more HP than it does in the F series. Rumors have been out in the last few months of accord v6 Superchargers being in development, assuming they do make it to production that would get you there, probably to 300 at the crank. Some head and valve work along with fuel and that would be making quite a bit of power.

Then the problem of the slushbox comes along. We all know how they dont like more power. At Honda this summer we would get a v6 accord a month with a blown tranny, and all the cases were just from bolt ons and aggressive driving, no heavy modification.

As another route, v6accord.com has information on how to convert the 6th gen auto into a manual, but it is not without bugs.

HKS made a turbo 6th V6 a few years ago, it was featured in Motor Trend. You could contact them about the availability of a turbo kit. The problem with that car was again, the tranny.

Level10 is a good solution to tranny problems. This is looking like one very expensive project.

urbanlegend21

good response Nick, I am sure that is the information he was really looking for

JUNIOR

Nick M

I didnt think it was that unreasonable of a question. Its not like V6 performance is a major topic of discussion in our forum, doing a search is pretty much fruitless. And what better place to ask than the Accord Forum on Honda-Tech for some advice?

Had he asked "whats an intake" then i would have jumped all over him

H23 Power

Custom, Low boost turbo system would get ya there pretty easy

the comptech supercharger, comming soon would get you there with minor bolt-ons

seriously though, your best bet is i/h/e 75 shot

Nick M

Your best bet for what? I am not a fan of nitrous in cars that dont see the drag strip alot. Whats the point of it in a street car? Do you hit nitrous to take the turn alittle faster in your favorite back road?

Im assuming he wants 300hp 24/7 and not once in a while.

HondaEXV6

I emailed Joe at Prototype racing about his Turbosystem for the Accord EX V6 coupe. Here is what he had to say.

" Hi, James
The turbosystem is available now as a custom installation at my shop in Torrance, Ca.
It is basically the same as the one I built for HKS, with the following changes.
1. The turbocharger will be sized correctly. The one they gave me to use wasn't.
2. The less than reliable trans will be replaced with a Level Ten trans and converter.
3. The HKS piggyback tuning modules will be replaced with the new AEM engine-trans management system.
These changes will produce a reliable 340-350 HP at 10-12 psi boost.
1/4 mile times should be in the mid 13's
No dyno chart is available, but it would be meaningless anyway, with all these changes.
Let me know if you're serious.
Best regards,
Joe"

Nick M

Nitrous is for drag racing. Thats the difference. Some of us enjoy going around corners and twisty roads quickly as well. With a 55 shot in a Zex kit your looking at about 3mins worth of fun, then you have to refill the bottle. Im not arguing that nitrous isnt a good bang for the buck buy, it is, but its good for 1 thing. 15 second or so blasts down the 1/4.

Nitrous doesnt make a car into a real performer. Its not permanent, yes it helps, yes i consider it a viable way to make a car faster, but in the 1/4 only. Mashing the gas with 12psi is totally different than flipping a switch. Those 12psi are always there, you dont refill a turbo or run out of turbo.

Lets say for arguements sake that 2 people each own an Accord. 1 has a $3000 turbo. 1 has a nitrous kit that was $500. To refill said nitrous bottle is $30. The turbo is a 1 time purchase. If the nitrous'd accord owner is an avid drag racer and he fills the bottle up twice a month (i know people who fill up twice a week) thats going to cost him $780 per year in nitrous. In 3 years plus the cost of the initial nitrous kit your looking at basically $3000. And the guy I know who goes through 2 bottles a week pays $3000 per year in refilling the bottle.

supadupamikey

Maybe I'm stepping on toes here... but, how and why do people just come up with these HP numbers they want to achieve? I've had a Civic EX, and Integra GSR and now an Accord V6 and every forum is the same. Everyone says "I want XXHP from my Civic" "How do I get XXXHP from this".

May I ask what you are trying to accomplish? Is it just for bragging priviledges? Hang out at the local coffee shop and brag about your 300HP Accord?

I personally have done several things... I've had everything from S-10s to cavaliers to a Probe GT, and a Mustang even... Ive had a Turbo Talon (slight modified), then I had a civic with I/H/E... then I got my GSR and I put on I/H/E, then I went with a JRSC, etc, etc, etc. I've learned a ton from everything I've done and here's my outlook/plan/whatever.

I bought my 99 Accord EX V6 for the luxury, NOT, for the performance. I don't mean to upset anyone, but, the car is NOT a racecar. It's got decent performance and its a very sweet ride. If you're looking to go fast, buy another car and make it go fast, but, keep the accord for picking up the ladies and cruising around in. At least thats my plan.

So you take your $20k accord and spend $5k in mods and it runs the 1/4 in 13s for a short time until the tranny goes and who knows how much that will cost you (a couple Gs I suspect). You also lose the nice quiet luxurious ride. I'd rather keep my accord for a daily driver and then do something like this:

Get a 92 Civic CX hatchback, gut it, and drop in a b18c1 and you're running high 13s or low 14s already! Or what I thought about doing was pick up a B18B (cheap! cheap!) and slap a turbo on it... you're easily in the low 13s on street tires and in the 12s on slicks. So you have $5k in the whole car. You can take it to the track and get your jollies off in it, and you can keep your nice pimp ride Accord for daily-driving.

urbanlegend21

300 hp could be a goal to shoot for. I respect Lilmikey's opinion and congratulate him on not insulting anyone in expressing it(which not many people do around here). But it might be just the fact that they want 300hp in a daily driver, they are not concerned with concequences of nitrous or heavy modification. Why would a Turbocharged Accord not be considered still a pimp car that can pick up honey's? I know some girls that get off to the sound of the BOV.
I know I modify my Accord to eventually make it a competitive track car one day. My goals are to get the car into a competitive time frame with other cars on the track. This may require more horsepower, less weight, stigffer suspension, but this are choices I am willing to make.

Nitrous is a quick way to add horsepower. Turbo is a little more reliable way to add horsepower. People are going to respect a 300hp turbocharged Accord more than a 300hp Nitrous Accord. Nick is absolutlely right. Eventually the Nitrous will be as expensive, if not more expensive than a Turbo. Especially if you get into bigger shots where rebuilds need to take place. Your engine is also going to last longer with a TC than with a shot.


[Modified by urbanlegend21, 5:35 PM 1/23/2002]

Big James

The difference is that N2O is a WOT application. You can not partially use N2O when you enter a turn. You can not ease into the throttle as you come off the apex. Then once you can get back into full throttle, you have an instant shot of power. Not very good in the traction department. Trust me on this one. Nitrous is great if you are looking for added straight line performance. however, if you are planning on doing any kind of racing where you will be turning, and into and off of the throttle, nitrous is not an option. You need a smoother application of power.

Like others have said, nitrous gets very expensive. I am going to say inthe 2+ years I have been running nitrous, I have gone through approx 75 bottles. (that is actually a vey conservative guess). At an average of $30 a refill, I have spent approx $2250 on nitrous refills. Now add in the $500 for a kit, and I could have bought a turbo. Do I regret buying the nitrous? Hell no! I still love it. I am going to go turbo with one of my hybrids (*note* I am waiting on paperwork so I can start my new hyrbid, a 92 Si), since I already have the turbo, but I still love nitrous.

As far as making an Accord V6 to push 300hp, that has already been covered, so I bid you good day.

Nick M

Thanks for backing up my point. James seems to be an excellent example of it.