**How To** Install H23 Intake Manifold onto F22B1 head
11-10-2006, 07:17 PM
#27
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: **How To** Install H23 Intake Manifold onto F22B1 head (momstaxi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by momstaxi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks good 
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks.
Well, the BDL 68mm TB showed up today. Now the mani will go to my buddy to get the upper Im port matched to the TB, get rid of the IABs, and to plug the water passages in the IM.
Ill post up some more pics once it is returned and completely assembled.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thanks.
Well, the BDL 68mm TB showed up today. Now the mani will go to my buddy to get the upper Im port matched to the TB, get rid of the IABs, and to plug the water passages in the IM.
Ill post up some more pics once it is returned and completely assembled.
11-11-2006, 09:55 AM
#29
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (raceACCORDingly)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raceACCORDingly »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what block is it?
curious why of all heads you chose a single cam f22 vtec head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I pretty much got the head for free. I wanted a single cam vtec head for this project.
curious why of all heads you chose a single cam f22 vtec head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I pretty much got the head for free. I wanted a single cam vtec head for this project.
11-11-2006, 08:53 PM
#31
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (BlUAc)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUAc »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so no hint as to what block your using</TD></TR></TABLE>
Completely stock OEM shortblock, that combined with the F22B1 head will yeild an 11.5:1+ CR.
Like I said, another write-up for another day, a few months from now, as there are a few "slight" modifications to be made to the shortblock for the head to work and I need to finish all the head work.
Completely stock OEM shortblock, that combined with the F22B1 head will yeild an 11.5:1+ CR.
Like I said, another write-up for another day, a few months from now, as there are a few "slight" modifications to be made to the shortblock for the head to work and I need to finish all the head work.
11-12-2006, 07:43 PM
#33
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Wilmington, NC, USA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I did this last year, your on the right track, the coolent holes are the biggest issue on this project.
but as you may find out port matching the head that much is going to be pointless, because of the cooling jackets in the head, unless you are going to have material added to to keep from ruining your head. Something you may want to look in too
Heres my right up, and all of my problems.... :/
http://www.accordinglydone.com...11176
i may point out that I no longer own the car but i post this in hopes of you getting it to work correctly
also you will have to rethink using your egr valve depending on your fuel setup
Modified by srfnscubamunkey at 8:56 PM 11/12/2006
but as you may find out port matching the head that much is going to be pointless, because of the cooling jackets in the head, unless you are going to have material added to to keep from ruining your head. Something you may want to look in too
Heres my right up, and all of my problems.... :/
http://www.accordinglydone.com...11176
i may point out that I no longer own the car but i post this in hopes of you getting it to work correctly
also you will have to rethink using your egr valve depending on your fuel setup
Modified by srfnscubamunkey at 8:56 PM 11/12/2006
11-12-2006, 08:09 PM
#34
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (srfnscubamunkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by srfnscubamunkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did this last year, your on the right track, the coolent holes are the biggest issue on this project.
but as you may find out port matching the head that much is going to be pointless, because of the cooling jackets in the head, unless you are going to have material added to to keep from ruining your head. Something you may want to look in too
Heres my right up, and all of my problems.... :/
http://www.accordinglydone.com...11176
i may point out that I no longer own the car but i post this in hopes of you getting it to work correctly
also you will have to rethink using your egr valve depending on your fuel setup
Modified by srfnscubamunkey at 8:56 PM 11/12/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well as far as port matching goes I was thinking of port matching to the F22B1 IM gasket and then do like a 60 degree grind out to match the H23 mani. kind of a funnel effect. Any thoughts?
but as you may find out port matching the head that much is going to be pointless, because of the cooling jackets in the head, unless you are going to have material added to to keep from ruining your head. Something you may want to look in too
Heres my right up, and all of my problems.... :/
http://www.accordinglydone.com...11176
i may point out that I no longer own the car but i post this in hopes of you getting it to work correctly
also you will have to rethink using your egr valve depending on your fuel setup
Modified by srfnscubamunkey at 8:56 PM 11/12/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well as far as port matching goes I was thinking of port matching to the F22B1 IM gasket and then do like a 60 degree grind out to match the H23 mani. kind of a funnel effect. Any thoughts?
11-13-2006, 07:50 AM
#35
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: **How To** Install H23 Intake Manifold onto F22B1 head (Turbogixxer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You could cut the manifold, and tap in a nipple to run to the thermostat housing.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Figured out a better way to do it.
1) If I bypass the heater core I can rerute the hose that runs from the head to the heater core to the T-stat housing, thus allowing hot water to heat the thermostat and allow it to open as normal.
2) if I DONT bypass the heater core, then I just splt the hose mentioned above with a T. One to the heater core and the other to the T-stat housing.
You could cut the manifold, and tap in a nipple to run to the thermostat housing.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Figured out a better way to do it.
1) If I bypass the heater core I can rerute the hose that runs from the head to the heater core to the T-stat housing, thus allowing hot water to heat the thermostat and allow it to open as normal.
2) if I DONT bypass the heater core, then I just splt the hose mentioned above with a T. One to the heater core and the other to the T-stat housing.
11-13-2006, 05:14 PM
#36
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Wilmington, NC, USA
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: **How To** Install H23 Intake Manifold onto F22B1 head (DC4_MADMAN)
as long as your careful because those jackets are mighty close, i wish i still the pictures of where if f'd up my spare head, but they were lost when i moved 
if you read through the 11 pages of my swap information you may find alot of good information, and alot of bs, but in the end for the work involved i didnt find it worth while. unless maybe your going with FI
if you read through the 11 pages of my swap information you may find alot of good information, and alot of bs, but in the end for the work involved i didnt find it worth while. unless maybe your going with FI
11-13-2006, 06:08 PM
#37
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: modesto, ca, u.s.a.
Posts: 657
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: **How To** Install H23 Intake Manifold onto F22B1 head (srfnscubamunkey)
yes there was a thread on accordtuner bout this, and the guy said that between the head and intake mani it was leaking. I figure you can plug it up with some J B weld but I dont know how safe it would be. But cause you have a chance of hydro lock, I would think maybe making a plate like the hondata heat shield but covering the water jacket how does that sound?
11-13-2006, 07:01 PM
#38
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: **How To** Install H23 Intake Manifold onto F22B1 head (BlUAc)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlUAc »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes there was a thread on accordtuner bout this, and the guy said that between the head and intake mani it was leaking. I figure you can plug it up with some J B weld but I dont know how safe it would be. But cause you have a chance of hydro lock, I would think maybe making a plate like the hondata heat shield but covering the water jacket how does that sound?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I plan to have that water port in the head welded closed. No leaks to worry about.
As for the port matching problem, what about an intermediate plate between IM and head that will bring the ports from the h23 mani down to that of the F22 ports? Back to the funneling idea, beats the incoming air hitting a wall and it gets crammed into the smaller port.
The studs will need to come out and prolly be best to switch to bolts and run 2 gaskets. Not sure if the injectors being further from the head would be a problem or not.
I plan to have that water port in the head welded closed. No leaks to worry about.
As for the port matching problem, what about an intermediate plate between IM and head that will bring the ports from the h23 mani down to that of the F22 ports? Back to the funneling idea, beats the incoming air hitting a wall and it gets crammed into the smaller port.
The studs will need to come out and prolly be best to switch to bolts and run 2 gaskets. Not sure if the injectors being further from the head would be a problem or not.
11-13-2006, 08:36 PM
#39
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ok, after reading through this sites FAQ-
http://www.outlawengineering.com/faqframe.html
I think a 1/4" spacer can be used to bring the 2 ports together, or at least very close so that very little materials need to be removed from the head itself.
So, anyone know where one can aquire this plastic that they use to make their thermobloks?
http://www.outlawengineering.com/faqframe.html
I think a 1/4" spacer can be used to bring the 2 ports together, or at least very close so that very little materials need to be removed from the head itself.
So, anyone know where one can aquire this plastic that they use to make their thermobloks?
11-13-2006, 08:54 PM
#41
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (TheMuffinMan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMuffinMan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Made from a heat blocking phenol resin laminate,
google search came up with:
http://composite-laminates.com/
looks like you can buy it there </TD></TR></TABLE>
You, Sir, are the BOMB.
I will be contacting them tomorrow.
google search came up with:
http://composite-laminates.com/
looks like you can buy it there
</TD></TR></TABLE>You, Sir, are the BOMB.
I will be contacting them tomorrow.
11-14-2006, 09:31 AM
#43
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Right here in the Middle
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (DC4_MADMAN)
I'm currently trying to swap the F22A6 IM to my F22B2 head. This is what I have done to the IM
The black marker is where the coolant passage is on the head side. So I grinded that over a little.
This the other challenge F22B2 head and the F22A6 IM Gasket
I haven't done anything to the head, but I think I can grind the coolant hold over a little to match up with the IM.
Keep us posted, as im learning from this as well
The black marker is where the coolant passage is on the head side. So I grinded that over a little.
This the other challenge F22B2 head and the F22A6 IM Gasket
I haven't done anything to the head, but I think I can grind the coolant hold over a little to match up with the IM.
Keep us posted, as im learning from this as well
11-14-2006, 09:47 AM
#45
H-T Order of Merit
Re: (Nocture)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nocture »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"></TD></TR></TABLE>
what you can't see in that picture is how little material you have left behind that gasket to seal the coolant from leaking. I know because I was in the process of starting that project myself on my F22B1. But my plans have since changed so I stopped before I started modifing anything. But I did put the H23 IM gasket up to the F22B1 head and saw how much fun it was going to be. My original thought was to add material to that area and then matching the ports so I wouldn't have any coolant leak problems. But I never got to try it out so...
It's nice to see that both of you are going different routes in that area and I'm interested to see how they both turn out.
</TD></TR></TABLE>what you can't see in that picture is how little material you have left behind that gasket to seal the coolant from leaking. I know because I was in the process of starting that project myself on my F22B1. But my plans have since changed so I stopped before I started modifing anything. But I did put the H23 IM gasket up to the F22B1 head and saw how much fun it was going to be. My original thought was to add material to that area and then matching the ports so I wouldn't have any coolant leak problems. But I never got to try it out so...
It's nice to see that both of you are going different routes in that area and I'm interested to see how they both turn out.
11-14-2006, 09:58 AM
#46
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think I will be heading down to my local machine shop and see what we can do with the ports. All I want is for the mouth of the head port to match the IM port, dont care about opening up the entire port.
11-14-2006, 10:21 AM
#48
Honda-Tech Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Right here in the Middle
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (DC4_MADMAN)
I'm thinking of using the F22B2 Mani gasket. If oem or fel pro gasket looks like this one that I cut
Then I can grind out material from the head to get as close as possible to the IM passage.
Then I can grind out material from the head to get as close as possible to the IM passage.
11-14-2006, 10:56 AM
#49
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,491
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: (TouringAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was kinda thinking along those lines as well when I was planning my project.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Called the shop, he wants to take a look at it. Going down Friday afternoon so Ill have some more info to post on it this weekend.
Gonna see if he can-
Plug the EGR hole in the head
Weld the water port shut on the head
Open the mouths of the intake ports to match the H23 gasket
Guess Ill see what he will charge for a 3 angle while I am there too.
Called the shop, he wants to take a look at it. Going down Friday afternoon so Ill have some more info to post on it this weekend.
Gonna see if he can-
Plug the EGR hole in the head
Weld the water port shut on the head
Open the mouths of the intake ports to match the H23 gasket
Guess Ill see what he will charge for a 3 angle while I am there too.