** The offical 96-00 civic 4dr thread ** PART 2
04-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Re: ** The offical 96-00 civic 4dr thread ** PART 2
cause honda's dont have struts..? since when..? lol.. they def are not a shock. lol..
and people know its meant to tie the chasis and reduce body flex throughout a unibody. It has nothing to do with struts and double with bone, or stuts and shocks, strut bars and tie bars(besides the beaks bar, which does nothing besides bling) tie one side of the chasis to the other, and reduces body flex and roll through out the unibody since, all that holds our cars together is spot welds. Now if you seem welded or stiched welded the entire car, strut bars and tie bars would be point less.
and people know its meant to tie the chasis and reduce body flex throughout a unibody. It has nothing to do with struts and double with bone, or stuts and shocks, strut bars and tie bars(besides the beaks bar, which does nothing besides bling) tie one side of the chasis to the other, and reduces body flex and roll through out the unibody since, all that holds our cars together is spot welds. Now if you seem welded or stiched welded the entire car, strut bars and tie bars would be point less.
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u should make a cool pic of the gf where her smile gets bigger when u hit vtak!
bonus points to u for putting the photo of lady in the car!
bonus points to u for putting the photo of lady in the car!
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i don't know about that... honda did put an OEM strut bar on the CTR. my triangulated strut bar on the front made a big noticeable difference in steering feel.. not going to say it made it faster around corners but it certainly made it feel more planted.
if you really think about it the shock towers will flex under heavy cornering loads, a strut bar simple distributes the forces and prevents the shock towers from moving.. it makes the towers work as one unit instead of two separate entities
if you really think about it the shock towers will flex under heavy cornering loads, a strut bar simple distributes the forces and prevents the shock towers from moving.. it makes the towers work as one unit instead of two separate entities
Something that attaches to the mounts of the uca's would be a much more beneficial design, but is not practical on the 96-00 chassis.
On a Mac strut car, the gains are much more significant as the strut tops are subjected to multiaxial stresses that try to push the towers toward the middle of the car as it turns. You can see pictures of some older production-based race cars cornering with the hood laid up over the fender from the deformation. There is no side loading at the tops of the shocks on a double wishbone, only the force of the spring trying to push upward through the sheet metal.
Another thing to consider, especially with the tripod style, is that a front bar is going to substantially increase the chance of massive damage in the front end since they will transfer the force of impact across the bay to the opposite frame rail and through the flimsy cowl piece.
A lot of these parts are things that seemed like awesome ideas when I first saw them, but the more I learn about car design they turn out to be just another well marketed toy.
cause honda's dont have struts..? since when..? lol.. they def are not a shock. lol..
and people know its meant to tie the chasis and reduce body flex throughout a unibody. It has nothing to do with struts and double with bone, or stuts and shocks, strut bars and tie bars(besides the beaks bar, which does nothing besides bling) tie one side of the chasis to the other, and reduces body flex and roll through out the unibody since, all that holds our cars together is spot welds. Now if you seem welded or stiched welded the entire car, strut bars and tie bars would be point less.
and people know its meant to tie the chasis and reduce body flex throughout a unibody. It has nothing to do with struts and double with bone, or stuts and shocks, strut bars and tie bars(besides the beaks bar, which does nothing besides bling) tie one side of the chasis to the other, and reduces body flex and roll through out the unibody since, all that holds our cars together is spot welds. Now if you seem welded or stiched welded the entire car, strut bars and tie bars would be point less.
Double wishbones are the entire reason I ended up buying a Honda and not a Nissan Se-r or 240sx when I got into imports, and are also the reason I won't buy a Civic newer than a '00.
As far as the rear lower bar, that one is actually the most useful on the whole car, it attaches directly where the lower arms attach, and the subframe supports a lot of transverse force during hard cornering. The Beaks is fine, the ASR is better, but it is totally overkill as far as bracing is concerned. My only gripe with the Beaks is the lack of ground clearance.
04-04-2011, 10:01 PM
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Its debatable as to whether or not that change in feel is from a slight increase in the effective spring rate of the front suspension BUT I will agree with you that it definitely does change the feel of the car. It has been shown that the actual performance benifit of a front bar is negligible though. I wasn't trash talking the bars themselves, I have them on my coupe and I'll probably keep them unless it comes to a weight issue.
Something that attaches to the mounts of the uca's would be a much more beneficial design, but is not practical on the 96-00 chassis.
On a Mac strut car, the gains are much more significant as the strut tops are subjected to multiaxial stresses that try to push the towers toward the middle of the car as it turns. You can see pictures of some older production-based race cars cornering with the hood laid up over the fender from the deformation. There is no side loading at the tops of the shocks on a double wishbone, only the force of the spring trying to push upward through the sheet metal.
Another thing to consider, especially with the tripod style, is that a front bar is going to substantially increase the chance of massive damage in the front end since they will transfer the force of impact across the bay to the opposite frame rail and through the flimsy cowl piece.
A lot of these parts are things that seemed like awesome ideas when I first saw them, but the more I learn about car design they turn out to be just another well marketed toy.
Actually they are not struts. That is a common misnomer. Our cars have double wishbone front ends and the shocks have nothing to do with locating the wheel of the car. Struts are part of a McPhearson or Chapman suspension and are typically attached directly to the knuckle/upright and are a far inferior design... unless you're more worried about packaging and unit cost than performance.
Double wishbones are the entire reason I ended up buying a Honda and not a Nissan Se-r or 240sx when I got into imports, and are also the reason I won't buy a Civic newer than a '00.
As far as the rear lower bar, that one is actually the most useful on the whole car, it attaches directly where the lower arms attach, and the subframe supports a lot of transverse force during hard cornering. The Beaks is fine, the ASR is better, but it is totally overkill as far as bracing is concerned. My only gripe with the Beaks is the lack of ground clearance.
Something that attaches to the mounts of the uca's would be a much more beneficial design, but is not practical on the 96-00 chassis.
On a Mac strut car, the gains are much more significant as the strut tops are subjected to multiaxial stresses that try to push the towers toward the middle of the car as it turns. You can see pictures of some older production-based race cars cornering with the hood laid up over the fender from the deformation. There is no side loading at the tops of the shocks on a double wishbone, only the force of the spring trying to push upward through the sheet metal.
Another thing to consider, especially with the tripod style, is that a front bar is going to substantially increase the chance of massive damage in the front end since they will transfer the force of impact across the bay to the opposite frame rail and through the flimsy cowl piece.
A lot of these parts are things that seemed like awesome ideas when I first saw them, but the more I learn about car design they turn out to be just another well marketed toy.
Actually they are not struts. That is a common misnomer. Our cars have double wishbone front ends and the shocks have nothing to do with locating the wheel of the car. Struts are part of a McPhearson or Chapman suspension and are typically attached directly to the knuckle/upright and are a far inferior design... unless you're more worried about packaging and unit cost than performance.
Double wishbones are the entire reason I ended up buying a Honda and not a Nissan Se-r or 240sx when I got into imports, and are also the reason I won't buy a Civic newer than a '00.
As far as the rear lower bar, that one is actually the most useful on the whole car, it attaches directly where the lower arms attach, and the subframe supports a lot of transverse force during hard cornering. The Beaks is fine, the ASR is better, but it is totally overkill as far as bracing is concerned. My only gripe with the Beaks is the lack of ground clearance.
my complaint with the beaks rear lower tie bar, is that it mounts below the rear lca bolts on the subframe, and can flex more as to compared to like the password jdm rear lower brace of the skunk 2 tie bar . It will flex more because the brackets used to attach to the bolts to the tie bar will flex as to just bracing the actual bolt holes. YES it will still tie the two areas together, but i feel the beaks product is an entirely flashy concept, that is inferior to lets say a 10 dollar ebay rear lower tie bar.
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Ah blah...totally forgot to follow up on the April Fool's. Sorry guyz T_T LoL I still have my car!
04-05-2011, 05:55 AM
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I understand, i got confused on the shock, strut thing i will admit. Been two years since brakes and suspension class. lol. but the fact that you stated upper strut tower braces did nothing is incorrect. Uni bodies flex every where and unless stitch welded ever seem or seem welding every seem, bracing to points between the chasis is not inferior as is useful.
my complaint with the beaks rear lower tie bar, is that it mounts below the rear lca bolts on the subframe, and can flex more as to compared to like the password jdm rear lower brace of the skunk 2 tie bar . It will flex more because the brackets used to attach to the bolts to the tie bar will flex as to just bracing the actual bolt holes. YES it will still tie the two areas together, but i feel the beaks product is an entirely flashy concept, that is inferior to lets say a 10 dollar ebay rear lower tie bar.
my complaint with the beaks rear lower tie bar, is that it mounts below the rear lca bolts on the subframe, and can flex more as to compared to like the password jdm rear lower brace of the skunk 2 tie bar . It will flex more because the brackets used to attach to the bolts to the tie bar will flex as to just bracing the actual bolt holes. YES it will still tie the two areas together, but i feel the beaks product is an entirely flashy concept, that is inferior to lets say a 10 dollar ebay rear lower tie bar.
I kinda agree on the beaks being kind of inferior though, it is a ten year old design. But it'll do.
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Re: ** The offical 96-00 civic 4dr thread ** PART 2
GMG!
Who's going to Eibach? Maybe we can do an EG and EK Ferio shoot before or after the event?
Who's going to Eibach? Maybe we can do an EG and EK Ferio shoot before or after the event?
04-05-2011, 10:27 AM
04-05-2011, 11:04 AM
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When is Eibach, BTW? Does anyone want to trade me my VIP spot for a regular spot? My car isn't looking fresh enough for VIP this year.
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I'm down for a photoshoot before or after eibach. I'm no registered though. 
So i'm going to have to leave really early and try to fight for a spot inside LOL
Nobody else coming to irwindale thursday?
So i'm going to have to leave really early and try to fight for a spot inside LOL
Nobody else coming to irwindale thursday?
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Re: ** The offical 96-00 civic 4dr thread ** PART 2
How have you been man? it's been quiet sometime pare. How's your sedan flood this thread w/ pics please! LOL.Last edited by Sir Ash; 04-05-2011 at 04:21 PM.
04-05-2011, 12:49 PM
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hahaa been super busy...but i havent forgot you homie
sounds like fun,but i work thursday nite....
miss the vip roll in and just roll in after with the rest of the people.i did that one year,AND DOOD YOUR RIDE IS CLEAN ENOUGH FOR VIP!!!
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GMG! Thanks for the advice on the sway/strut bar guys appreciate it, but I decided not to get one. But instead with the money I had from selling my books to people I went out and bought Dupli color frost white for painting this weekend. Only thing that blows was that the two autozone and 2 kragens I went to didnt have much haha. I was only able to get 3 cans of frost white..