RIP V8s

Well boys, its been a very long time. I sold my last honda over 5 years ago, and never looked back... till now. I moved into the off-road scene, and through that I ended up the last 2 years at Pike's Peak International Hill Climb in Colorado Springs, pit-crewing for a very good friend of mine who, through his amazing off-road fabrication skills, built an amazing time-attack TE-72. My friend, Roy of ODRFab in Redlands, CA, is a 4 time veteran of the hill climb, and through this, my other buddy, who is a long time OG of hondas, Buck909, decided its time to build a honda to take up that god-forsaken mountain in 2013. So with further a do, i would like to say: I'm back bitches! this should be a pretty fast build, since we have a decent financial back bone. i will update this thread as quickly as the car get built. ENJOY.

Build Plans:

MOTOR: some kind of boosted K series
SUSPENSION: Some kind of coil overs
BRAKES/WHEELS: Some kind of huge brakes, and big wheels with big tires
CHASIS: Chromoly, tig welded F.I.A. certified 6 point cage
AERO: Big splitter, big defuser, big wing.

Here are some pictures of the start. The chassis is a 94 cx hatchback that was caged by ODRFab in 06' for a customer who never finished it, then purchased by Buck909 to do what needed to be done, FINISH IT.

Billy Elliot

Just wondering... what FIA spec cage are you putting in? In hopes this doesn't end like those Evo guys, you build the right cage from the start.

Materials to build a true FIA spec cage require "Cold drawn seamless unalloyed carbon steel containing a maximum of 0.3 % of carbon" quoted direct from the FIA safety appendix 253. 4130 does not fall in this at all.

Link to Appendix 253:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...5.06.2012).pdf

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I guess i listed specs wrong. So FIA calls for unalloyed material? Like DOM?

Uncle Dave

The cage design is very very good just need it thru to the front strut towers now and is almost perfect.

Billy Elliot

Actually you can't use DOM to build a true FIA approved cage since it is a welded mechanical tube with the internal weld seam removed. It's then drawn over a mandrel to produce a more uniform tube.

Cold Drawn Seamless (CDS) is a billet cylinder of steel that is heated up, then a bar is driven down the middle to create the seamless tube. The tube is then drawn over a mandrel (simlar to DOM) but it lacks the welded seam.

What is the size of your main hoop? FIA requires a 1.75 x 0.095 tube there at least. It's a bit of a document to read if you're truly building an FIA spec cage you really need to read it through.

essex

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/s...8151#post58151


You cage looks good put the diagnol to the floor in the main hoop


Have you ever sat in it it or put a seat in it? The harness bar might be too high depending how you sit.

Billy Elliot

What sanctioning body/bodies are you building this for? By the whole Evo guy who build a shitty time attack cage for hill climb/rally, you are on the right path building an FIA compliant cage.

But unless you actually want to go and enter an FIA event, you do not have to build up to their exact specs. For something like Pikes Peak, you can likely build up a cage with DOM and use the FIA as refence to bar sizes. Pikes peak has TERRIBLE cage requirements that are very lacking. Hell, they allow aluminum cages! I haven't read the rule book myself in detail, so you would need to read them.

But that's what I would suggest before you start building up an entire cage and then find out the sanctioning body you were looking to get it logbooked for won't accept it because you have overlooked design requirements.

That link does explain good and available steel. The issue is finding someone who gives it as CDS and not DOM tubing.

T45 is an alloy steel, but you can't build a cage to FIA spec using it. You need to get the cage homoligated. Which is a long process of getting it certified and approved to the chassis. The chassis itself needs to be homoligated, and if I remember right, homoligations expire after a certain time anyway.

Bottom line, don't build your cage out of T45 or 4130 as it will not be FIA legal without getting the cage itself homoligated and tested.

Atmosfear

iTrader: (18)

I imported a cage kit from Custom Cages in the UK. CDS tubing and true FIA spec for my wifes EH2 rally car.

Doesnt much help you since you are already working with a cage, but an option for others to keep in mind.

Billy Elliot

I had looked at those for my hatch. I just didn't like the design of the cages as they are built to an older FIA homoligation and you CANNOT add bars to an existing homoligated cage.

This is the link to their EK4 cage, but I didn't like the design at all. I wanted a sill bar, X in the main hoop, V or X in the roof, lower rear stays. The older homoligated cages are an option, but I honestly think they have very dated designs and aren't as safe as a cage built to the most modern specs.

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UPDATE:

The Destroyer

Keep us updated.

HickamHatch

Looking good.

.dave

Very nice. K20 or K24?

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Sorry its been so long fellas, had some other projects pop up, but here's a little update.









And sorry for the filtered pix, its all i have right now. let me know what you guys think!

redzcstandardhatch

awesome work.

at pikes peak this year I was rather stunned at some of the cages that passed. Hah

2fast4u831

Very nice man!! Can't wait to see the final result and some video of this. Good luck.

BPR

Nice build looks just like mine what size wheels and tires will you be running?

20CiviC02Si

iTrader: (3)

I'll be sure to swing by and visit at the Peak, that is if we're not to busy with the LoveFab NSX again!

94rs-turbo

iTrader: (6)

damn bad *** stuff GL with it

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Few new goodies. moving slow, but still moving along none the less. My good buddy, and project fabricator, Roy of ODRMotorsports & Engineering, has had to put the civic aside to finish the teams class 1400 truck and we are crunching to try and make it to Battle at Primm on the 22nd.



but here are the new goodies thus far. Car should be operational in the next few weeks.

Team Dynamics Pro race 1.2 15x7 +35mm


Toyo Proxes R888's in 225/50/15. They are tires we had laying around the shop for now



Ktuned CNC K series shifter



Let me know what you guys think.

PuroMotor

Great work! have you decided on what kind of FI you'll go with? Target hp?

powerneedy

What's your hp goal? Why a 15x7? Whats the plans for aero? It all looks good so far. I have always fantasized about pikes peak but now that its all paved I want to make it happen!

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looking probably like a GTX2871, looking for about 375-400




these are just the first set of wheel to run while its NA, i see 15x8 in the future with much bigger tires.

essex

can you start a topic about your race truck