Shintakun

ok i want opinions on what many people think and have done

D17: did you guys mod your engine? add turbo? was it worth it? do you enjoy the consequences of your mods? do you think you should have Swaped?

Swaped K: ok.... did you think you spent your money wiseles? was it worth the ammount you paid for? do you think its better to boost a D17?


Modified by Shintakun at 8:48 PM 4/19/2007

Curiouz_G

Shintakun

well mynes is non Vtec......




thats why im considering getting a Vtech head. then turbo it... that or Swap for a K depends if i can find another cheap K

Vantage

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Shintakun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well mynes is non Vtec......

[thats why im considering getting a Vtech head. then turbo it... that or Swap for a K depends if i can find another cheap K</TD></TR></TABLE>

U spelled it right... Vtec.... Then wrong... Vtech...

I would just keep the LX head, and turbo it.


Modified by Vantage at 9:29 PM 4/20/2007

92egSnatch

well if your gonna boost it dont waste your time swaping the heads to make it Vtec you should be fine with a non vtec d17 boosted
but if it were me id save the cash for the K which is what im doing

DJaeMac

i own a non-vtec D17 em2

i spent around $3,500 for everything computer, tune, turbo, etc.

im hittin 13.4 at 9lbs of boost with a max boost setting of 18 lbs.

im really happy with my set up because i got more power with less money spent.

yes, the K would have more potential but with more potential would mean more money.

for a faster and better route, i'd go with a D17 turbo.

Change Me

the cheapest i found a k series is $4,000.. the type-r runs about a grand more at $4,900...

elitezdc5

dont be gay buy a k

petty$rep

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJaeMac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i own a non-vtec D17 em2
im hittin 13.4 at 9lbs of boost with a max boost setting of 18 lbs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not bad

oh yeah, i would say dont worry about swapping for a vtec head....more work than it is worth. What are you doing with the car? I assume it will probably be a DD and it might see the track on weekends maybe? If that is the case just turbo it and save some money for in case the D blows up.

portaman03

I heard somewhere that it's actually better to run NON-vtec when turbo...

...Because the VTEC cam is heavier?

Isn't that why companies sell VTEC Killer Cams for turbo applications?

I might be wrong.

Vantage

probably because Vtec's are higher compression.

Vtec is better regardless. if u want high boost, vtec+low comp pistions = wonders.

my friend ran an 11.91 with a stock block GSR-T in a 1989 Civic hatch @ 15psi.

lets see a b18b-T run that.. probably wont happen

Shintakun

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vantage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">probably because Vtec's are higher compression.

Vtec is better regardless. if u want high boost, vtec+low comp pistions = wonders.

my friend ran an 11.91 with a stock block GSR-T in a 1989 Civic hatch @ 15psi.

lets see a b18b-T run that.. probably wont happen</TD></TR></TABLE>

so should i go Vtec head than? im gona turbo it as soon as i look into the info in other threads to see what im getting my self into...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJaeMac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i own a non-vtec D17 em2

i spent around $3,500 for everything computer, tune, turbo, etc.

im hittin 13.4 at 9lbs of boost with a max boost setting of 18 lbs.

im really happy with my set up because i got more power with less money spent.

yes, the K would have more potential but with more potential would mean more money.

for a faster and better route, i'd go with a D17 turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What kid did you get? could you do me a Favor and Link me if you got it online? id like to also have links to what ever research you may have done if thats cool ^_^

APEXcoupe

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andyman97

Here's the scoop on the vtec for d17's. Alot of people will say, go with non vtec because the vtec is actually vtec-e which means you're only operating 3 valves per cylinder until vtec kicks in which kills power in the low-mid rpm range. That's the beauty of standalone, set that joker at 1500 rpm and it will eat up the boost. As far as the cam being heavier, if it is, its not enough to outweigh the ability to run a real power making crower cam.

Anyways, I went all out on my d17, its got just about every power making part you could want. No way would I be making this much power on the amount I spent if I had done a k swap.

Here's my modlist and some pics:

Dyno Results:
373.8 front wheel horsepower
280.2 lb/ft torque
21 psi

Quarter mile reults:
(Old setup making 247 whp)
RT: . 6797
60: 2.2739
ET: 13.8719
MPH: 103.69

Engine Modifications:
t3/t4e 57 trim 48 ar turbine/60 ar compressor turbocharger
Custom Equal Length Turbo Manifold
JDM Fabtech custom intake manifold
d17a2 engine swap
Walbro 255lph in tank fuel pump
RC Engineering 750cc injectors
2.5 intercooler piping
2.5 Custom stainless downpipe
PLX M300 wideband
K Pro for D17
AEM adjustable Cam Gear
Tial 35mm Wastegate
Greddy Type S BOV
Fast Turbo Vacuum Manifold
Action 2MD 6 puck clutch kit
Wiseco 8.8:1 Pistons
Crower Rods
Crower Stage III Full Race Camshaft
Crower Valvespring and Retainer Kit
Return Fuel System
Aeromotive Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator
JEG's 10 Micron In-Line Fuel Filter

Suspension Modifications:
15" Konig Hurries wrapped in BFG G-Force Comp T/A DR's
Gold-Line Coil Springs
SPC Front and Rear Camber Kits
Neuspeed Fron Upper Strut Bar
Progress 27 mm Front Sway Bar

Interior Modifications:
Silver and Blue Trim Pieces Painted DIY Style
Replacement Hinged Trunk Floor

I.C.E:
Pioneer HU
Pioneer Premier 3 Way 6X9's
Eclipse Titanium 12" Sub
Rockford Fosgate Power t4004 Amplifier

Exterior Modifications:
20% Metallic Tint all around
Xenon Rear Valance
WW G5 Front Lip
OEM Sideskirts

Boost_Junkie

turbo d ftw

Shintakun

any good and affordable turbo kits than? 01 lx's dont have many choices. also. im doing all the work alone my knowledge of tuning is minimal ^_^

portaman03

first do all of your research before looking into parts.

most kits are crap, so you'd be better of piecing your own kit together.

petty$rep

andyman ... but what is up with the graph? why does the torque and hp numbers cross at 7K instead of 5,250 rpms??? just curious.

to the OP, how much power are u lookin to make, what are your goals with the car? tell us and that will help us give u better advice on whether to turbo or go K. sometimes different things are better for different situations.

andyman97

They don't actually cross at 7200, they really cross at 5200, my tuner just skews the torque line to match the power line. Just look at the numbers on opposite sides of the axis on the graph, they're different, not the same scale.

DJaeMac

actually, my d17 is an LX model and i've made pretty good power with it with just the turbo kit itself.

just search.....some custom work may needed to be done

Shintakun

ok. so ive done some research. ive looked at what every turbo kit gives and i looked for the most parts one kit can give. so i have decided to buy brand name parts for each piece of the kit... you know???

like instead of buying a kit. buy the parts require for a kit ^_^... ive done some looking around and also looked at the Turbo thread in the FAQ section. ive wondering what kind of Turbo to get... T3 maybe? i just want a kick to my daily driver ^_^ eventually when i decide to get my EK or CRX and make that my mod car ill still have something fun to drive ^_^

ALL MOTOR EM2

BUILT K24 FTW! NA IS BEST.

sujak

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ALL MOTOR EM2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BUILT K24 FTW! NA IS BEST.</TD></TR></TABLE>

built v8 em2 ftw, owned!

andyman97

Yep, I put down 247 whp on a bone stock d17a1.

If you just want a bolt on kit, get a basic tsi or dezod kit, bolt it on, get some decent injectors and tune with kpro.

DJaeMac

so your quarter mile time was 13.8? with 247 whp?