Cerberus2k7

I'm thinking about building up an Accord wagon sleeper. I know, I know, "Search n00b!", but I wanna get a wagon that can hold its own against stock stangs and use it more as a daily driver while the real stang will be for weekends. Anyways, should I swap it out with a H22 or GSR? Also, how would the handling be considering the added length? I am going to beef up the suspension also. Thanks.

-Joseph

2kvtecaccord

First off, a H22 is going to be your best bet and oh yeah, your only. No GSR will do in any accord. Won't mount up, plus the ecu and all is different. Do either a H22a or even go with a JDM F22 DOHC motor. You are lookin in the range of about $1500-$3500 for a motor and $3000-$5000 for the complete install if you don't do it all.

mac_24_seven

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i think the accord wagons are so beautiful.. my friend thought abotu it for a lil while..he wanted a 5th gen wagon ex 5 spd...but they are very rare..we both searched and couldnt find one, so he gave up.

a 94-95 ex wagon w/an h22 would be so sweet. but since you drive a mustang, you know that just abotu any loser can get into the 14's(even low 15's) w/a stock v8 and if they know how to drive, 13' bone stock (especially in the late models)

an h22 accord is gonna put you in the mid to high 14's at best (maybe even low 15's)so you better plan on an h22 and a turbo. unless you want to mess w/v6 stangs..then a freakin stock accord will smoke them (had it done to me by my own car)

so, your lookin at, w/an h22+turbo..anywhere from 4000-7000..depending on if you build the kit yourself and/or if you do the install yourself.
that worth beating a stock mustang?

and im prob gonna get flamed for sayin that too.. :S

or, another idea..just keep your stock f22 and boost the mess out of it untill it grenades. shoudl be able to squeak by some good #'s runnin 10-12lbs of boost. just have a spare engine.

H2290

You definitely need to do some more research if you are even considering a GSR engine. Apparently you don't know too much about this stuff. The manual wagons are hard to find but you definitely want to start with that. Also, the F series handles boost much better than the H in stock format. The iron sleeves in the F are killer. You should find a manual wagon and do some compression tests before you buy it to make sure it is a tight engine. Then you can boost up to 10 psi and still have daily driveability.

94accordsedan

If I had a wagon...

I'd get a 94 or 95 EX with 5 speed
Get a set of decent looking 15" wheels (not 16s or 17s or whatever)
Koni yellows
Springs and lower it an inch at most
Upgrade the stereo - nothing crazy just better speakers, headunit and a small sub
Color match the rocker panels

I'd keep the motor stock, the wagon is cool as it is.

drktorn

grs is possible. you need a lot of $$$$$

accordselux

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PLEASE go learn about cars.

The GSR makes horrible torque numbers (135), as well as it makes them at 7500 RPM. In a 3000 lb car, you're not going anywhere with an engine like that. A ford festiva would kick your ***.

The stock F comes with 156 ft lbs at only 5000 RPM, and makes a pretty flat torque curve.

I'd personally want a 5th gen wagon over a 4th gen, but the 4th gen would be cheaper if budget was a problem.

If you want to go easy, you could just swap an H22 in. Otherwise you could turbocharge the F or the H.

flight50

yeah go the h22. i love my wagon and wouldn't trade her in for nothing. i paid like 1900 for the motor and auto tranny. 1000 for the install. install depends on where you are. i have the 4th gen wagon which is an easier install than the 5th but you may want the 5th gen. there is more aftermarket support for it. most 4th gen wagon parts can be use from the sedan and coupe though. and if you can find a manual go for it. i am buying parts to swap mine out to 5 spd currently. i figure about 1500 or so in parts not including labor for install. plus if you want a sleeper, the 5th gen doesn't weigh as much as the 4th gen so that will help out the power to weight ratio. i plan on rebuilding mine for turbo in a couple of years. for the wagon i don't think all motor power will satisfy me as a turbo can considering the weight of the car. all motor can cost just as much as a reliable turbo. catch is don't skimp out on parts. you get what you pay for.


Modified by flight50 at 4:03 PM 10/27/2005

dai

If you're going to do a motor swap, who cares if the EX is auto or 5spd?

Just do the tranny swap while you're at it.

H2290

Because that is just that much more effort you will have to put into the swap. A swap usually consists of changing some mounts and doing some wiring, but when you swap to manual you are going to have to start hacking on the interior of the car and also hunt for the pedals, cylinders, linkage etc. which isn't always the easiest stuff to find.

flight50

finding parts can suck. start your search as soon as you can. i recently started and i started with the hardest items to find first. the hardest to find for me was the shift linkage, tranny, and the pedals. next i am going after the p28 ecu. common but i want a virgin ecu. clutch and flywheels should be easy. clutch lines and cylinders should are dealer type things. i will only go oem on certain parts.

dai

More chance of you finding the right parts to do the swap than there is in finding a 94/95 EX

HondaMike17

holding your own against a stock stang doesnt really say much, even for a wagon, a stock accord has almost just as much power and their in a V6, just leave the engine, put some ordinary add ons in (intake,exhaust) and save yourself a couple grand, for that much you might as well buy a better car and just beat stock stangs, you can still hang with them, they make heavy 4cyl mustangs

hondabum

i have seen some sick wags but why would you want to do that the accord is a grandma car as it is . if you want to "hold your own" with a real stang not that little ***** v6 your going to have to spent a lot of money . good luck with that one bro

Mad Hatter

jdm h22 with lsd is my vote
that alone will prolly beat a v6 stang

oh yeah and '94-'95 have a sexier front

HondaMike17

sell your wagon and take that money plus the money you were gonna put into the wagon and buy a V6 accord, 3.0 VTEC engine would def. tie one of those real stangs a 5.0 mustang is nothing special

flight50

its your call really dude. i wanted to be unique. v6 accords, 4 banger sedans and coupe. you see them day in and day out. like i said, i love my wagon. if others have seen the beauty and the style that wagons can bring to the table, there might be more of us. wagon are far more popular over in japan than here. there are more aftermarket parts for the wagon than sedan/coupe over there. i am on route for the wagon sleeper, bar none.

http://www.accordwagonclub.com..._id=8

zidek

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PLEASE go learn about cars.

The GSR makes horrible torque numbers (135), as well as it makes them at 7500 RPM. In a 3000 lb car, you're not going anywhere with an engine like that. A ford festiva would kick your ***.

The stock F comes with 156 ft lbs at only 5000 RPM, and makes a pretty flat torque curve.

I'd personally want a 5th gen wagon over a 4th gen, but the 4th gen would be cheaper if budget was a problem.

If you want to go easy, you could just swap an H22 in. Otherwise you could turbocharge the F or the H.</TD></TR></TABLE>

listen to this guy hahah

Cerberus2k7

Well, I do want to run turbo. Forge the internals, if the F blocks sleeves are strong enough to hold a good amount of boost with the forged internals then i'll go that route, only problem is finding parts since most places have parts for B/H/K motors. And I want this thing completely stock looking with even the soccer mom bumper sticker or "My child is student of the month..." sticker. That would be awesome. :D

And I know the GSR doesnt have much torque. I just didnt know how much worse it would be once you put a B20 head on it. A guy I know has a GSR but it's an EK. =\

hondabum

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well i would have to concur my uncle has a svt and though it is quick.. if you spent that money on buliding a h22 in an accored you could have a way faster car


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cerberus2k7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I do want to run turbo. Forge the internals, if the F blocks sleeves are strong enough to hold a good amount of boost with the forged internals then i'll go that route, only problem is finding parts since most places have parts for B/H/K motors. And I want this thing completely stock looking with even the soccer mom bumper sticker or "My child is student of the month..." sticker. That would be awesome. :D

And I know the GSR doesnt have much torque. I just didnt know how much worse it would be once you put a B20 head on it. A guy I know has a GSR but it's an EK. =\</TD></TR></TABLE>

i say go with a h22 and you will be happy you will need to do some more to it than the f22 to get it boost ready but you will be better off in the long run start with more end with more ....DOHC

H2290

I personally don't see any point in swapping out a perfectly good F22 to boost an H22. It's one thing if you boost the F22 and it dies and you build and swap an H22. But an F series engine can handle 10 lbs of boost. Why not boost that to your satisfaction without spending 5000 buying, swapping, and building an H22. For the amount you will pay to buy, swap, and build you could already have the turbo setup completely done and paid for.

My Point: Don't throw away a good engine that can handle 10lb of boost.