2015 CTR Petition for USA
03-29-2014, 08:43 AM
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Re: 2015 CTR Petition for USA
My only question is "if" this car makes it over here what's it going to cost? I'm guessing with limited production and after dealer mark up it will start at $32K.
04-11-2014, 04:01 AM
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Re: 2015 CTR Petition for USA
With the evo going out of production somebody else needs to step up to the small performance car plate. This would be perfect to take the fight to the focus st, wrx, and speed3
04-16-2014, 04:20 AM
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04-16-2014, 04:23 AM
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I haven't driven the 8 speed DCT, but I've driven the 7 speed DCT in the RLX Hybrid, and they did a very good job with it. The shifts are very, very quick but they are also much smoother than you'd expect, much smoother than Porsche and BMW.
With the RLX, they smooth it out with the electric motor that continues to power between shifts. They're trying to make the non-hybrid cars just as smooth with the addition of the torque converter.
I'd be with you in favoring the six speed manual if it seems logical to do it, but I would not insist on it because I think there's evidence that it is no longer logical.
04-23-2014, 03:27 PM
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Re: 2015 CTR Petition for USA
The issue is anything else instead of the double wishbones Civics became famous for.
I have a couple of questions for you.
(1) If this car is available in North America only with the 8 speed automatic (actually a DCT with a torque converter), would you still want it?
(2) If it ends up being built in the USA, but it has an Acura nameplate and it turns out to be either a coupe or a sedan instead of the UK/EU hatch, would you still want it?
(1) If this car is available in North America only with the 8 speed automatic (actually a DCT with a torque converter), would you still want it?
(2) If it ends up being built in the USA, but it has an Acura nameplate and it turns out to be either a coupe or a sedan instead of the UK/EU hatch, would you still want it?
Absolutely not. There is nothing a sedan offers over a hatchback other than reduced functionality.
The project might be in jeopardy if people insist on a 6 speed manual. There's no need to homologate the six speed manual, so the CAFE figures would over ride everything, likely.
I haven't driven the 8 speed DCT, but I've driven the 7 speed DCT in the RLX Hybrid, and they did a very good job with it. The shifts are very, very quick but they are also much smoother than you'd expect, much smoother than Porsche and BMW.
With the RLX, they smooth it out with the electric motor that continues to power between shifts. They're trying to make the non-hybrid cars just as smooth with the addition of the torque converter.
I'd be with you in favoring the six speed manual if it seems logical to do it, but I would not insist on it because I think there's evidence that it is no longer logical.
I haven't driven the 8 speed DCT, but I've driven the 7 speed DCT in the RLX Hybrid, and they did a very good job with it. The shifts are very, very quick but they are also much smoother than you'd expect, much smoother than Porsche and BMW.
With the RLX, they smooth it out with the electric motor that continues to power between shifts. They're trying to make the non-hybrid cars just as smooth with the addition of the torque converter.
I'd be with you in favoring the six speed manual if it seems logical to do it, but I would not insist on it because I think there's evidence that it is no longer logical.
Ignoring that, manual or CVT. Manual provides driver control. A CVT would allow increased performance (especially without boost loss during the shift that would never happen) and still cater to the wimps unwilling to truly drive. Some half-assed in between with clutches and a torque converter is just engineering masturbation, which, while cool to read about, is not a reason to purchase.
05-15-2014, 05:05 PM
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Re: 2015 CTR Petition for USA
Independent doesn't mean, well, anything, here. The twist beam is actually better than struts for a performance application due to the toe out under roll combined with the inherently high roll resistance.
The issue is anything else instead of the double wishbones Civics became famous for.
No. DCT would be fine. Torque converter kills the deal. There is simply no excuse for such.
Absolutely not. There is nothing a sedan offers over a hatchback other than reduced functionality.
Logic would be to not even consider buying a tarted up Civic. These types of cars do not sell because they are a logical purchase. They sell when they satisfy an emotional need. So, for the most part, logic can be thrown out here.
Ignoring that, manual or CVT. Manual provides driver control. A CVT would allow increased performance (especially without boost loss during the shift that would never happen) and still cater to the wimps unwilling to truly drive. Some half-assed in between with clutches and a torque converter is just engineering masturbation, which, while cool to read about, is not a reason to purchase.
The issue is anything else instead of the double wishbones Civics became famous for.
No. DCT would be fine. Torque converter kills the deal. There is simply no excuse for such.
Absolutely not. There is nothing a sedan offers over a hatchback other than reduced functionality.
Logic would be to not even consider buying a tarted up Civic. These types of cars do not sell because they are a logical purchase. They sell when they satisfy an emotional need. So, for the most part, logic can be thrown out here.
Ignoring that, manual or CVT. Manual provides driver control. A CVT would allow increased performance (especially without boost loss during the shift that would never happen) and still cater to the wimps unwilling to truly drive. Some half-assed in between with clutches and a torque converter is just engineering masturbation, which, while cool to read about, is not a reason to purchase.
05-16-2014, 05:47 AM
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05-16-2014, 10:53 AM
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They lowered the rev limit enough as it is in the 2012+ Si. They need more RPM to match the gearing they chose. Plus 6th is much to close to 5th to be of any real value. It is a shame that Honda has really lost their racing heritage in street legal vehicles.
Even still, they should pic a direction and run with it. All this trying to make a one car pleases all BS is really turning people off completely *cough* CRZ *cough*....
Even still, they should pic a direction and run with it. All this trying to make a one car pleases all BS is really turning people off completely *cough* CRZ *cough*....
05-25-2014, 10:30 PM
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Re: 2015 CTR Petition for USA
Not sure if you guys saw this update, the petition has been noted by Honda.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140319989
Theres no promises though but I have a feeling they are having an uphill battle right now with those damn bastards that deal with emissions.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140319989
Theres no promises though but I have a feeling they are having an uphill battle right now with those damn bastards that deal with emissions.
05-26-2014, 06:06 AM
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It has almost 15,000 signatures now. Almost 4xs the amount in the premature e-mail that was sent to Honda with. Once it hits 15k another e-mail should be sent by the petitioner.
05-26-2014, 06:25 AM
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They still have the option to use the North American chassis and an American motor, eh.
If you ask me, that's the only solution to avoid sticker shock in the Canadian and US markets.
Who knows, though. I certainly don't.
What I *do* know is that I have yet to hear an adequate explanation for why Ohio has geared up to make some Civic-based cars.
They might be moving the Acura ILX there, but if that is what they are doing why do they think that Indiana will have to make so many more Honda Civics?
Another thing to think about is that the dollar to yen value has improved significantly enough that importing a Japanese built car might be a possibility, although a more remote one. They are able to sell the unpopular RLX Advance (MSRP 61,500) for 50,000 and still make money, the ratio's got that good.
I can't even pretend to know how this is going to end up, but even an idiot like me can see some possibilities for getting a CTR (whether it's a Honda or an Acura)!
If you ask me, that's the only solution to avoid sticker shock in the Canadian and US markets.
Who knows, though. I certainly don't.
What I *do* know is that I have yet to hear an adequate explanation for why Ohio has geared up to make some Civic-based cars.
They might be moving the Acura ILX there, but if that is what they are doing why do they think that Indiana will have to make so many more Honda Civics?
Another thing to think about is that the dollar to yen value has improved significantly enough that importing a Japanese built car might be a possibility, although a more remote one. They are able to sell the unpopular RLX Advance (MSRP 61,500) for 50,000 and still make money, the ratio's got that good.
I can't even pretend to know how this is going to end up, but even an idiot like me can see some possibilities for getting a CTR (whether it's a Honda or an Acura)!
05-26-2014, 06:30 AM
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The quality record at Ohio is quite good, by the way. Whatever is going on there should be solid.
The new TLX is coming from there.
The new TLX is coming from there.
05-30-2014, 06:51 AM
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They should keep it within the Honda Lineup, Acura has the NSX. BTW the damn tsx wagon should at least get a v6 by now, what gives? That at least should've been an option.
06-20-2014, 04:27 PM
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TSX is out of the line up, no more hopes for a v6 wagon....
Its also almost 3rd quarter and no clear sign of the type r. However if they are bringing back the hatchback maybe thats when the type r will be here, 2016.
Damn gotta wait another yr.
Its also almost 3rd quarter and no clear sign of the type r. However if they are bringing back the hatchback maybe thats when the type r will be here, 2016.
Damn gotta wait another yr.
09-04-2014, 05:35 PM
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Apparently Americans no longer purchase Honda hatches in sufficient numbers, and probably none will be offered. Especially hi-perf.
I think the EP3 fixed that for us.
I hope I'm wrong.
I would've been happy with the last one
I think the EP3 fixed that for us.
I hope I'm wrong.
I would've been happy with the last one
09-30-2014, 05:04 PM
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Probably isn't going to happen...
Paris Motor Show: Honda Civic Type-R Concept is a turbocharged road rocket! - NY Daily News
Paris Motor Show: Honda Civic Type-R Concept is a turbocharged road rocket! - NY Daily News
10-03-2014, 06:42 PM
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Just one of the many reasons why I want to go to Europe/Asia land..... They get all of the cool cars, we get econo-shitboxes that aren't any fun....
**** a hybrid, WE WANT TURBO POWA dammit
**** a hybrid, WE WANT TURBO POWA dammit
12-19-2014, 11:28 AM
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