TheShodan

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3.30.2011 *Update on page 5*


*Update* 2 small vids at the end of page 2
11.05.10 Update vid and cams on page 5

I’m not really sure as to why my old project log was destroyed with the introduction of IB for the website, but I’d thought I’d recap as to what I had been working on with my wife’s 2000 EM1 that she bought as the original owner. It started back in 2006, and even though my wife knows that I’m the turbo king, she wanted to try something a bit different. Here’s how it worked out. There were some mishaps (like with everything) but it’s going to work out ok. We wanted to make a nice subtle 200+whp street/road race system, but at the same time, keep all of the amenities and luxuries of the car. Layered Security and full insurance are of the utmost, since we know there are prying eyes all around.

Here she is with it in 2005.



At first I wasn’t allowed to touch the car, as her preference, but then I got her a bit addicted to the modifying “bug” a bit, she started to do her own oil and trans changes.



The stock shocks and suspension were dying, so I had given her my old TEIN SS that I had on my Integra, as well as my old slipstream wheels. It seemed to somewhat come together.





We at first had a Thermal 2.25” exhaust system, but for some reason the baffles seemed to destroy themselves prematurely. I didn’t like the way that it fit, and it sounded like complete ***, so I sold it, and picked up a subtle and more relaxed Greddy Evo2. It is stainless steel, sounds fantastic, and at the same time fit naturally under the stock lip kit.





The stock intake was really crappy. (Now that I think about it, I should have just gotten the Spoon replacement filter set. But, before I can get my ARC chamber and box, this was going to work in the meantime.



We were running a Power FC on stock injectors and a Spoon header with the stock engine. It was only about 158whp and 111ft/lbs of torque on the B16 before the Spoon header, so we decided to change things up.




My wife was having trouble seeing out of the headlights over the years from the falling of sap of the trees and the road grime from daily duty. I got tired of sanding and re-polishing the headlight assemblies, and after 2 failed attempts at making my own CTR headlights, I decided to get some less expensive SIR-II headlights with HIDs, and rigged up the city and parking lights to be like it was in Japan. ( I also happened to pick up my cousin’s old license plate to take back with me)


I took the car out of the garage for a day or 2 one winter to aim the headlights correctly.


In 2006, we decided to get only a couple of gauges. The Power FC gave us all the other information that we needed for the car, except for Oil Pressure, and Oil temp. Staying with the amber theme of the stock SI cluster, using Defi gauges and some spare carbon fibre sheets that I had left, we made this:





The gauges saved my life more than once, including when we found we were low on oil when going to Toronto to tune the car.

More suspension changes. Even though the TEINs on the car were over 8 years old, we thought we’d add a bit of lateral rigidity. Finding that my Tanabe Sustec bar wouldn’t fit with my 3” downpipe of the turbo Integra, I recoated it, and placed it here.



Well, we then realized that it was time to work on the engine. We were tired of the lack of engine torque of the B16, and decided to attack the engine. But I wanted to make sure that if we needed the block back, we could still use it.

So, after trading a valve cover for a Type R manifold (lucky me), I port-matched the inlet of the manifold after recoating it, and bored the Type R throttle body. Using a B18C empty block, B20 Crank and Rods, we got started.

I also added new bolts, tensioners, TODA Racing timing belt (I had it for 2 years before even the Gates belts had been introduced, so I used it.) and a Golden Eagle oil squirter block kit ( I added that after we found that the vibration was knocking the squirters against piston and threw off the tolerances causing some scoring on the cylinder walls.. Even after bending them. ) Note to all you guys. If you plan to use an LS/B20 Crank and Rods w/ aftermarket pistons, use a oil squirter block kit






Ah yes, let’s get to the tech, shall we? What did we decide to do to the EM1?
ENGINE BLOCK
-Endyn 11.5-11.8:1 compression 81.5mm pistons (1857CC) – with the B20 Crank it makes it about 12.5:1
-B20 Crank
-B20 Rods – Shot peened and strengthened w/ ARP rod bolts
-GSR-Block
-Toyota 3SGTE 430cc injectors w/ resistor box. – Sorry, I don’t trust RC injectors that much
-Toyota Supra Fuel pump
-Spoon header (more responsive than some of the others, peak power was not a concern with this build)
-OEM Tensioner
-OEM ITR Oil pump w/ 80mm TODA pump gear.
-OEM Water pump

HEAD WORK
-B16 PR3 Head – New valve seals, 3 angle valve work. Smoothed out the intake/exhaust manifold ports
-*TODA Spec B Camshafts 11.4.2010*
-Toda Cam Gears
-Toda Valve Springs / Retainers
-Type R LMAs
-Outlaw Engineering Thermal Gasket Kit *now discontinued*
IGNITION - We found that the OEM ignition just didn’t last long at the higher rpm range for over 200 miles constantly, so we upgraded

-Mallory Digital 6 Ignition system


-MSD 8253 External coil


-New OEM ignitor

-Buddy Club Grounding system


-NGK OEM wires
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-Denso Iridium BKRE7IX spark plugs.


ARP Head and Main studs



Here are the 430cc 3SGTE injectors


Power FC - Marked for security

Let’s go with our transmission next. I love the B16 transmission, I really do, but I know that it doesn’t give the acceleration that we’d like to see. So, we decided to get:

King Motorsports 4.929 Final Drive and 1st Gear!!! Buahahaha




Cusco RS LSD – Kaaz Oil
We like clutch type LSDs for road racing more than the Quaife Helical.




We also wanted to make sure that we weren’t at 4700rpms at cruising speed with that final drive, so we went with the LS 5th Gear set as well.


Here is the finished Product before tuning:







Here we are going to Tuning in Toronto with my Cousin’s Type R that has full TODA specifications.




The Type R came out great, at over 200whp and 135ft/lbs torque. Response on the R is amazing as redline is 9200rpms using a 68mm throttlebody.

We ran into a couple of snags, and I’m attempting to get the ARC intake. I’ll see if I can find the Tuning sheet, but it was over 215whp and 145ft/lbs of torque. Maximum RPM was set at 8600 for the EM1. With a larger TB and ARC intake, we can acheive better response.

My partner drives the SI to tune, while I follow in the R.


Introducing Yoshio Kinosita of Japanese-Automotive – He is not cheap, and very meticulous. If the car doesn’t pass his visual inspection, you don’t get to dyno that day.



The Type R with new ARC chamber and box installed WITH A/C.





The next & last step is to replace the suspension on the EM1. The Tein SS are worn out from too many events and years of use. We're looking at one of 2 options with an ASR Subframe kit:

The Skunk2 Pro C coilovers


or PIC from Illinois. I find that Type R guys like these in a 12K F 10K R configuration I also got the S*w*i*f*t Spring upgrade with them


Whew. Reviews and comments are welcome as long as they are not obnoxious. Suggestions about getting more power are not necessary, because we achieved our goal.

Mashimaro

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damn, your Spoon header is still silver? mine is nice and brown now....

nice build you got going on with the EM1. what did the ITR dyno? what kind of toda cams is he using and tuning device?

nice pics!

95civhb

looks great! how is the acceleration??? that first gear/final drive must make it fun

American.Graffiti

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Nice to see you finally did an All Motor build. Seems like your just as good as you are with turbos.

PyroProblem

Sweet build!
Your the last person id expect to build a n/a car, lol
So whos faster?
The civic or the ITR? (i think i know the answer)...
I had the same problem with the squirters with my old engine. Im still not sure as to what caused it...
I know its not built for drag, but are you gonna see what it does anyways?

black_EM1

The title threw me for a bit of a loop there.

Looks like a fun car.

Andy@AMR

Looks like a fun build. I didn't know you had a EM-1 bro, same here.

b20beast83

Is the turbo in the TRUNK?


jk, Nice build

Gong Show

Nice build. What track events are you planning to do in 09? WMHM9 should be one on your list.

2gnarly

where did you get that spark plug cover from? Or is it just a emblem on the cover? whatever it is it looks nice!!

TheShodan

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Thanks for all the replies.

1) Until I get stainless steel brake lines, Cobalt Friction XT2 pads, new suspension (either the above Skunk2 or PIC coilovers) and an ASR kit, I won't be doing any Road events. I've also become a bit tired of Gingerman (too small, been there a million times) and would rather go for Mid America motorplex, The Beaver, VIR, or Lime rock. I don't ever plan to take it to a drag race, so I'm not even going to experiment. I honestly don't care about 1/4 mile times.. don't know why, really, just was never interested.

2) I high heat ceramic coated my spoon header, using the same material as for the turbo manifolds that I coat.. Otherwise, my header would look as brown as everyone else's.

3) I actually made the spark plug cover myself, and had my spoon emblem from years ago. I had been saving it once I had the header.

4) I went through a lot of headaches to get this build done, including making some mistakes that were rather costly. My wife wanted me to kill me after a while, but I think it was worth it in the end.

5) Both cars are running on Apex'i Power FC tuned by Yoshio. The EM1 pulls in front on torque, but the Type R catches up. It also has a 4.929 ATS final drive, but the 5th gear is ITR. The EM1 takes top end a bit more because of the LS fifth gear.

b20beast83

Would you consider ground control and koni yellows?

TheShodan

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No. I've used those years ago. didn't like them at all, especially as a double for road race and street duty. That company does not have the spring rates I'd like nor do I like GC's materials for the collars.
Also want a full coil over system, not a sleeve kit going over shocks. That's very 1997

TheShodan

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Type R dyno'd about 220whp as stated above. We are using Power FC to tune the Toda Spec Bs.

The following were from Toda Racing:

-81.5 12.0:1 pistons
-Spec B cams
-Cam Gears
-Valve Springs
-Retainers
-High Tension timing belt
-80mm Oil Pump Gear

American.Graffiti

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I would like to know some of the differences you experienced between the 4.4 and 4.9FD. Such as how comfortable was it to manage in stop and go traffic? How was the ride on the interstate? and How badly did it affect your mpg?

TheShodan

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Stop & go traffic with the 4.9 was rather flawless. Yes, you tend to shift a bit more often but not by much more than with a 4.4. It was rather like shifting a K-series engine that had a 6th gear. I was rather comfortable with it, and so was my wife.

Ride on the interstate in the EM1 was quite nice, as rpms stayed around 3800-4000 for about 80mph or so. This was with the LS 5th gear. On the Type R, it was a bit more aggressive being at about 4800rpms or so, since it kept the stock 5th gear.

MPG wasn't any worse than before the 4.9, but for the Type R it did affect it negatively a bit more, but like with all things, only under load. When cruising, even at 4800rpms, gas mileage didn't really change from before. Remember though, I have at least 400cc injectors in there. When we went under load for both cars, gas mileage suffered significantly, just like in a turbo car. I'm used to turbo cars anyway, so i felt that for me, it was no big deal.

The one thing that is VERY different b/w the EM1 and Type R in terms of the final drive was the amount of stress the distributor components had to handle. We drove from Toronto back west for over 300miles. The stock ignition coil and ignitor went through a lot more stress in the Type R than the EM1, and even failed once we got back to our destination. Now, I know some people may disagree, but even though we know that a Honda stock ignition system is stout enough to even handle boost, it was just a better idea to assist it by using an aftermarket ignition, just to keep the temps down in the stock internal coil and ignitor, and have the components experience less wear. once we installed the aftermarket ignition system, we went for several hundred miles more without incident. The EM1 was a bit better off in terms of mileage and ignition use, until we got almost WOT in the car with that 12.5:1 compression, then we understood that the use of an ignition system was the better choice. Considering we caught a SC B16 EJ8 with ease, I know I felt like a champion. (At least for one day, anyway.)

Mashimaro

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damn dood, i'd love to get close to those kind of numbers! I'm running the same valvetrain as your friend but i didn't degree the cams in (stupid me) and only made 170whp with stock 11:1 compression.

anyways, good to know there's hope! thanks for the info and merry xmas

TheShodan

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yeah, degreeing the cams was essential, as well as the additional compression. When we did the setup before the degreeing and the pistons, we were only at 177whp ourselves. So there is definately a difference.

Gong Show

I hear ya. Actually they're suppose to redesign gingerman, and I think run it counter clockwise now. I would like to do some other tracks too. I want to try to do the ITR expo this year. Out of the 2 suspension choices, I think I would go with the PIC. Seems to be proven by the people running them in Honda Challenge. And the GC/Koni race setup. If you go in the roadrace/auotx forum and search, you'll find plenty of people running heavy spring rates with the ground controls with the race valved koni yellows.

Gong Show

Tellin ya bruh. Go to the autox/roadrace forum and find ya answer to this question. Find plenty of opionions and info in there.

American.Graffiti

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Sounds good. I am on throwing a 4.9FD in a B16 tranny with LSD.

1.5Slowmatic

For the money, you cant beat the PIC's. Almost anyone i talk to to who uses them for double use absolutely loves them. And the car looks sweet man, got any vids of it running or on the dyno?

TheShodan

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Not that are publishable. I'll probably have some better ones when the spring hits, since the car is now stored, and we were worried about getting back. So far, the PICs seem to be the better choice. I'd like to know what you found as pros and cons of the PICs

_HANS

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nice!

TheShodan

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Thank you. further comments and questions are welcome. I'm more than happy to share my experiences for others w/ a similar build