hondab16iceland

Hey everybody! I've finally bought all the parts that i need to turbo my Civic and i keep seeing people saying that they have street tune and some dyno tune. But here in Iceland we can't do dyno tune so it's gonna be a street tune for me using either Hondata or Neptune.
what are the pros and cons of both? Isn't street tune better since it's based on actual driving conditions?
How many here run street tune without problem?

this is my setup gonna go for 12 psi on "high" boost and 6-7 psi on low for everyday driving
Stock b16a2
Ebay turbo t3/t4 57 trim
Ebay intercooler
Go autoworks Cast iron manifold
Go autoworks Downpipe
Tial 38mm wastegate (7lbs spring)
Turbo XS bov
Go autoworks Grams 550cc injectors
Go autoworks Grams 320 lph fuel pump
Also few gauges from GoAutoworks (Oil pressure/Wideband and Boost with overboost warning)

LightningTeg

Dyno is safer, more repeatable, and easier to diagnose problems. Street tuning is nice to clean up tune, get the traction dialed in (boost by gear or the like), and get real world loads on the drive train.

I've almost always street tuned my car. Its kind of a pain by yourself but Ive got a system down.

If that's your only option, then that's your only option lol. Must be a nice countryside to do it though...

hondab16iceland

Ahh i see.
We actually got few good long roads to do it on, but what do i need to look out for beside A/F ? Any specific gear to be in? It's gonna be my first time doing tune ever.. btw whay do you use to do street tune? Hondata? Chrome or Neptune?

OneBadTurboCRV

Street tuning by yourself is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard someone say they do. You can't possibly watch (or interact with) the road, laptop, gauges, car, etc. At the same time and it makes for a very dangerous condition for yourself, others, and your engine. Street tuning is bad enough in itself, but by yourself is a whole other level.

Sure, you can set engine protection in the software or make pulls with datalogs and adjust from there, but it's FAR from ideal. May as well just e-Tune your car at that point. You should always have the "tuner" sit as a passenger and have someone else drive, be it the car owner or just a helping hand. Without proper sensors to keep an eye on things, continous plug pulls are required as well. A dyno is by far your better alternative for the initial tune and things can be cleaned up on the street as needed for part throttle.

You should keep your pulls in the inner city, I don't need some jackass making pulls and losing control in his half assed car down my nice long country road while my kids are out front playing. Keep it at the track or on the dyno.

LightningTeg

Find out what is considered safe timing for your setup and learn how to read plugs, so get yourself a 10x magnifying glass. 4th Gear is the best gear to do it in.

Since this is your first time I suggest reading up on tuning theory.

PGMFI.org and xenocron have some good articles in their tech section / forum. Xenocron also has a bin file dump you can take a look at some of the crome tunes hes done.

I personally use eCtune becauase I have no need to change, but its no longer really supported.

hondab16iceland

Haha i never really intended to do this all alone, i was gonna have my friend drive the car while i watch the gauges and laptop.. and the roads here im talking about its straight no houses close by no cars after midnight so its risking 2 lives instead of more.

hondab16iceland

Thank you! Will start on learning got plenty off time since my stuff is still on the way. Takes 10-15days.

Btw found this awesome write up on how to read plugs.http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/spkplghnbook.htm

TheShodan

iTrader: (14)

Yes. Same here. My tuner does BOTH on his complete tunes.

AZ_CIVIC

iTrader: (1)

I would dyno tune the car and then data log runs at the track with your tuner there to make adjustments or send the logs to your tuner to make adjustments as needed.

cafrog

I'Ve never street tuned but I know a few guys that have. You can get a tuner to email you a base tune to start with. Then email him your recorded results for him to analyze and tweak. Then he sends you a new tune and the process starts over.

But you could be patient and read up on a variety of variables to learn how to analyze and fine tune.

Vit viper does this kind of thing.

hondab16iceland

This is a good idea! any specific tuner you would recommend?

LightningTeg

I cant really argue with your moral highground, but I'll say I've been doing it for 7 years now and not ever even had a "near miss" situation. If you have half a brain and some situational awareness, minimizing risk is easy. Driving to work during rush hour is magnitudes more dangerous.

Your kids play near the interstate?

cafrog

Vitviper. Google him and check it out. If you like what you read, contact him.

OneBadTurboCRV

In your post you quoted me saying "long country road". In a previous post you meantion countryside. If your interpretation is interstate from what I wrote then that is your prerogative, no need to be immature about it.

The problem with you saying "I've been doing it for years" still doesn't make it safe or legal (not that I am some perfect citizen). You are forgetting that most people don't have a brain or situational awareness. It's no different than why they banned texting while driving and things like that. You are talking about making full 4th gear pulls of 130+ mph here!!! We are the minority. I am also going to venture out on a limb and guess you don't have any kids do you?

It's not about being on my "moral highground", but rather what I see happen all the time, you know, in real life. I grew up in the "nice countryside". I actually do live on a nice long country road thats pretty straight. Where I recently moved, there have already been 2 accidents in my front yard from people flying down my road at more than double the speed limit and losing control. This is within just over a year and one of them was a fully marked cop. This happens much more than you think, and is actually one of the downsides to living in the country, people tend to act when they think no one is watching.

LightningTeg

Well I was referring to Iceland and its barren/beautiful landscape more than anything. I never said anything about what I do.

There's are lot of things that aren't safe or legal, but people do them all the time. I can only assume that people asking questions about street tuning understand the risks and accept the consequences.

60-130 is roughly 7 seconds for me, then Im on the brakes. On an open highway it really isnt as risky and you are making it out to be. As if the car is some rattle trap about to fall apart once it hits the magical 88mph.

No I don't have kids, yet. Will I continue street tuning after I do? Probably not to the extent I have been, but at that point many risks I take now would be minimized.

It is a moral high ground. There's nothing I can say that could justify street tuning as being as safe. All I can do is say that you just need put more effort in to making sure your car is safe, and that you pay attention to the surroundings and other people more so than just driving. I can only assume the instances you are referring to are people just driving recklessly to drive recklessly and not to accomplish anything so they are not in any sort of state to care.

OneBadTurboCRV

Thank you for understanding where I am coming from. We are on the same page then.

hondab16iceland

Guys i also got drag strip here in Iceland that i can use to tune, btw i understand the risk on doing street tune it's the only way to know how the car is running, but i'm gonna contact Viper to get basemap and send him the datalog after few runs on the drag strip to make few tweaks if needed.

BigBerz

Our highway speed limits are 110km/hr so street tuning on the highway is what I've done for all my cars. I've never had a car on a dyno other than a "dyno" day just to see what the numbers were. No tuning was done on dyno.

This is done LATE at night on the highway with myself driving and my tuner in shotgun. Then some tweaks at the track.

Berz out.

OneBadTurboCRV

I have had a couple lengthy talks with Vit Viper about e-tuning even a S300. He refuses to do it. Same with Evans Tuning. According to them, the reason is too many people were saying their cars were in perfect working order when they weren't. Then too much time was spent with each person in conversations alone to make it worth it. They stick to systems that have factory O2 and Knock Sensors that are worth a damn.

I will admit I didn't see the Iceland part, but you should get a basemap from like Honda | Acura | Engine Tuning Solutions - Phearable.net who has great customer service. Vit doesn't even list the OBD-1 stuff anyways...

LightningTeg

Unfortunatley the majority of Honda crowd (mostly people not on here) probably ruin that experience for them. My college roommate who helped me tune my first greddy setup on Crome had all kinds of stories of cars falling apart that he tuned. They would show up with CELS, leaking fluids, loose hardware etc.

I know plenty of guys in the domestic world who Etune, and do not have this problem



Also +1 on Phereable stuff. I've gotten a few "chips" from them for crome stuff and never had an issue.

Geis

I'll let you know when I'm out of my coma from being ditch-tossed with multiple rollovers and handful of civilian casualties, including children of course (playing on the freeway as lightning teg implied), because of my ill nature and spiteful deviance towards society; as well as an inner passion for chronic risk taking despite insurmountable odds of failure, per your statement above.

v8killaz

I street tune, read plugs. No access to a dyno or money to pay for it.
30x magnifying glass from ebay for $3 does good

Whats so different than street racing and doing tuning pulls on the road.

hondab16iceland

Great thanx will look into this!, also talked to Will at raw perfomance he was willing to help me as long as i had wideband sensor to datalog.

hondab16iceland

How exacly do you do it? Do you start my retarding the timing by lets say 14degrees for 10psi then advance it to where you want it ? And how do you read the plugs with magnifying glass?

OneBadTurboCRV

But with domestics they want HOURS of datalogs LOL! Completely backwards thinking... drive your untuned vehicle for hours and vary everything as much as possible. It's insanity. I had many talks with Black Bear Performance (as well as others that e-tune EFILive) and they just couldn't wrap their head around why someone would only datalog for a few seconds or for one pull. They don't seem concerned about driving around untuned in the slightest. I was dumbfounded and eventually decided to learn how to tune it myself.

Yes, please do continue to make fun of me for wanting to keep people safe, namely my family.

Last time I checked, I don't street race, sooo... yeah, I don't condone that either. Hate on me for it. I have broad shoulders. Maybe, if you are unlucky one day you will have a loved one killed because of someone thought they were so cool and your viewpoint will change. I can't force you to stop, I can only bring awareness... Maturity unfortunately has a lot to do with it also. (Oh boy, shouldn't have said that...)

To quote a good friend of mine - "Once you start having kids, you get that fear in you. If you don't, then you are too immature to have kids or just plain old stupid."