azcslef

Cost wise it would be cheaper to build a D-series for most people, but I'd do it with a DOHC ZC OBD0 or OBD1. That way you get d-series cheap but DOHC.

But I could do a GSR/ITR/B16 swap (everything swapped over) into a CRX for about $1500 (including HASPORT mounts) or less........if the junkyard had the car! We've got a yard around here w/set prices - ANY 4 cylinder longblock $150 and they move cars in and out of there very quickly. Couple months ago they had a 98 GSR that got t-boned but was fine up front, came back to get the head the next weekend and the whole engine bay was empty. Car was put in the scrap heap two weeks later. Today I was out there n they had B18A1 in a 90 Integra completely unmolested. Too bad I only had $20

psi420

B

Distorted

Built D specs:

D16y8 block:
Darton Sleeves (MID or solid deck, undetermined)
Eagle Rods
JE 9.0:1 pistons, .020 over
Full ARP replacement with custom length on 1 head stud
ballanced/blueprinted crank with chamfered oiling holes
D16z6 head:
Race port and polish
SS valves
Valve springs/retainers(undetermined)
Cam(stock for now)
Turbo:
TO4E .60 trim compressor, .63 trim turbine, stage 3 wheels
Tial 38mm wastegate w/9psi spring.

**This is my rebuild(due to previous machinework resulting in a wavy deck surface, destroying a radiator amongst other things--thanks guys!!!)**

only dyno'd once when her headgasket blew, put down 210hp 201 torque, untuned, retarded timing, at 6500rpms. I had 1100 rpms to go, and much tuning to do. The motor will rev to 9000 to take full advantage of my turbos power range. It was and will be daily driven --though i dont drive daily-- and before she blew, she was a fury of wheelspin. The D is a great motor if you put time into it, same with the B which of course has more potential, but then we could also say the 2.2ltr H has more, and further still a K or how about a K24/k20 hybrid? Comparing motors is pointless, someones is always better, faster, bigger, so pick one, build it, enjoy it.

Rob

ps. ZEXMAN, i'd like to talk to you about D parts some time.

norcalcrx

I love my D. Build the d.

madman604

I chose the B, but a 12 sec "D" is way more pimp than a 12 sec "B"

Kataku2K3

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That's true but if you're running 12's with a boosted B there's something wrong as you can do that NA pretty easily...

99blackcivicSi

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But you had to use nitrous to make that power and 10.85 isn't that good for being in a Rex, Brian's B18C/EJ6 is daily driven, full interior, only makes ~560whp 350wtq (no nitrous), and is just as fast as you but pulling a much heavier car... Yes, power isn't everything but still but which has more potential in the long run???
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he had to spray so fuggin what it is a D SERIES!!!!!! did you hear that??? it is a street car that is streetable and it is a single cam, if you can't give that props i don't know what you will. i guess just street cars that make 900000hp and don't back up times at the track sounds kinda reminiscent of mike no? The only times i have seen brians car (the red hatch correct?) run was like mid to low 11's i don't know where you learned math at but 11's and 10's are not the same thing in fact on the strip they are very far apart and that is not keeping up with zexmans car.


Modified by 99blackcivicSi at 6:33 PM 1/20/2004

Kataku2K3

Yea, Duc's car is still slow but it takes time to get it down... How many times has it been to the track since it started making decent power? 5 in all, we do expect more but you realize it's not as simple as just plain horsepower (right now we're dealing with traction, etc.)... And you're obviously the one that can't do the math cuz Brian's car does 10.90's in the 136mph range which is right there with Zex Man's car... Yes his car is good for a SOHC, but I'm ONLY for B series motors...

99blackcivicSi

Do you have slips to back up that time because <U>I</U> have never seen or heard of the car running those times. Considering you are in washington and i am in Va so word does not travel quickly accross country. I have read or heard nothing about the car running those times i am not saying it is slow i am saying i have heard nothing of the sort, when someone breaks into the 10s most people know about it.

SleepersOwn

If it's a daily driven transportation car, i say go built turbo'd D. I mean, b is coo and all but for a person with my goals ( ULTIMATE is 12's ) i just don't feel paying for a b swap just to be right back where i started. Especially when the motor that i already have can get me there. Reguardless of what " potential " another motor has. If you already got the D, build it up, run mid to low 13's daily and 12's when racing.

And ZEXMAN is sooooooo right. There are so many ppl out there that get b swaps, build up, get a turbo KIT and stay in the high to mid 13's. To me that **** is ******* STUPID. Why they do it it beyond me but, i know they think they're good because they have so much " potential ". Yea right, those assfucks will never even begin to use it. You could have done that with a junkyard turbo setup on a z6. My vote, if it's just a quick daily car keep the D, B's are just for personal preference if your not going to REALLY use it.

Ehh...my .02 cents is over.

Egg-weezy

do the d, then sell it and get a b. Then you can say that you've dipped into both worlds. Mad Props!

SpoonFed

BBBBBB

Kataku2K3

I wasn't goin to post in here cuz this is really about B vs. D but oh well...

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Brian's car isn't that fast but oh welll... I don't have the slip here at school but when I go home this weekend I'll be glad to scan it... I've posted a few time but then again 10.90's aren't that big of a deal... I've got a vid of his first 10 second pass (only a 10.98 but that was in the middle of the summer when he was still running the Blitz SBC) as you can see the car doesn't get off the line worth a ****...

At the track...
Brian.mpg
Shifting at ~7000rpm, 2nd, 3rd, 4th...
BrianBoost.mpg

blackeg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepersOwn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And ZEXMAN is sooooooo right. There are so many ppl out there that get b swaps, build up, get a turbo KIT and stay in the high to mid 13's. To me that **** is ******* STUPID. Why they do it it beyond me but, i know they think they're good because they have so much " potential ". Yea right, those assfucks will never even begin to use it. You could have done that with a junkyard turbo setup on a z6. My vote, if it's just a quick daily car keep the D, B's are just for personal preference if your not going to REALLY use it.

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exactly. i hope to get high 13's out of my z6 when its boosted, and it will cost much much less than a built b series turbo. b's have more potential, but by the time you actually build it, then get a turbo setup appropriate to your build- its a shitload of money gone- and most people never get that far anyway

TravSi

Being the underdog is fun!!! CHICS DIG D SERIES!! (sorry just havin a bit of fun) I am having great success with my d series and its only getting better.....New numbers coming this spring, I like the D but i say get what ya want cause you want it not because someone else says its good.....Be a rebel!

crxY-49

ok ok ok...I've finalized my decision. I'm gonna do the D. 250-300 daily is plenty for me. I'll learn more than a stock turbo b18 too. Got the motor ready to pull now. Thanks for all the replys guys. I'll keep you guys posted.

Si-Yaaa!

can you get into the 12s with a D without sleeving? Good thread. yeeeeyyaaa

crxY-49

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Yeah why not? I've heard the d-series sleeves are the same strenght as the b-series. If by somehow you do crack a sleeve the motors are pretty cheap.

ExVtec

I had a 94 ex, bought a d16y8 to build/turbo/swap into it, then turned around and bought an si, go figure

kKdARIAN

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?? how does that contribute really...

Anyway. I really feel that building the d-series would be your best bet for what you want to do. I plan on doing the same thing... build then boost.

Tinker219

by the time you drop 3500 into a gsr swap, youll have a sleeved, fully built fire breathing D series that is capable of handling all the power you can throw at it!
Toss a small turbo setup on there for now, and upgrade that as you get more $.

ZEX Man

I built a '92 Civic hatch that went 13.30's at 100 mph on a very lightly modified D16Z6:

Stock D16Z6
ZEX 59300 cam
ZEX "dry" nitrous kit (75hp)
ACT clutch
20x6 M/T slicks

On stock 165 street tires this car slipped to consistant 13.70s. For the money invested, the bang for buck was awesome. This engine dynoed at 192 whp and we put at least 20 bottles of nitrous through the engine before it was swapped out for a B-series. For the average guy on the street, a mildly built D-series in a Civic, with someone behind the wheel that can drive, will clean up 90% of the cars (domestics included) that you will run into on the street. I stress the drivers ability, because most people can't drive and this wastes most of their "advantage" in having a car or engine combination that has more power/traction, etc.. That SOHC Civic rarely got beat at test and tunes we went to, racing everything from Camaros to other Civics.

Later,

ZEX Man

8200RPM

if you have lots of $$ swap and go boost
if you dont have as much $$ build the D and go boost :D

blackeg

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thats what im going to do

92BlackSi

D series.

Right off the bat B series is gonna cost $$$, which could be used for building the D.

If you want like 500HP stick with a B, why??? Displacement will make producing the power a little easier. Most people are more than happy with 13's.