kane.s2k

Yes, you can still run the breather with a filter on the other end.

No promises unless it is from the PCV that's creating the + pressure. If it is your rings, then it's really a different case. However since you are boosted, I think it wouldn't hurt to try since this is exactly the case these are made for.

choiboiracing

well this is my custom oil catch can. If you want i can fab one up with whatever fittings/ports that you may need? http://www.c-techracing.com

Tchleung

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kane.s2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The crankcase pressure vents through the breather. More pressure is not introduced via the PCV with this system.</TD></TR></TABLE>

THat means that the pressures the crankcase is creating ahve to go all the way up and escape through the valve cover only when in boost. I'd prefer pressure to release from top and bottom.

kane.s2k

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tchleung &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THat means that the pressures the crankcase is creating ahve to go all the way up and escape through the valve cover only when in boost. I'd prefer pressure to release from top and bottom.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm very curious as to how you are having crankcase pressure escaping from the bottom of your engine. Maybe that's where your oil loss problem is occuring from

In all seriousness, I think you have this product completely misunderstood. This is basically a high quality check valve as you have stated. The main purpose of this unit is to block the boost from coming into the crankcase and further pressurizing the crankcase. If you have everything routed as they should, under boost the Krank Vent unit will keep the boost from entering the crankcase and the breather which is typically connected to say in your case the inlet side of the compressor where there is vacuum.

With the Krank Vent blocking off the port going from the intake manifold to the crankcase, additional pressure cannot be added. Since there is no pressure being added from the intake manifold, all pressures created in the crankcase should be coming directly from the rings and windage. This amount of pressure should be fairly minimal and the breather that is connected to the inlet side of the compressor will easily be able to compensate and still create a vacuum. At pre-boost, the krank vent opens at the PCV side and creates a vacuum while closing at the breather side. This design enables the crankcase to constantly be in vacuum. That is why there are two per kit. Only the one that is actually releasing crankcase pressure stays open instead of just having a free air system. Which is exactly what you are trying to do.

Some of you have been messaging me for a diagram of exactly where to insert the unit. You merely cut the existing hose and place it inline in the correct direction. Instructions are enclosed:

DaveF

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what are you talking about? oil only leaks through the valve cover gasket and through the tube seals as i boost more than 5 psi. so logically puting two and two together i have come up with the conclusion that as i increase boost there has got to be more pressure under that valve cover and the easiest way to get out is through those valve cover seals. therefore there has got to be some pressure leaking through the valves so im thinking of a way to fix it. i mean im not trying to fix the valves themselves, im just trying to relieve some pressure being built up in there. it will still leak through the valves but im hoping to find a solution how to fix the oil leaking through the valve cover gasket. i cant think of anything else. i have a new valve gasket and tube seals</TD></TR></TABLE>


sorry bro., the air is going to try and escape through the easiest opening, and its going to go out of the open filter on your valvecover. why dont you understand this........ your ***** leaking because it need to be replaced. not because of crankcase pressure. stick them thumbs up your ***.

coneheadsracing

How do you have your pcv system ran. Sounds like you still have the one on the back of the block hooked up as stock, and are likely boosting your crankcase now, which then pushhes air up through your drain back holes in your head. But like someone else said, if your air filter isn't soaked in oil, then its not pressure thats your issue.

DaveF

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coneheadsracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> But like someone else said, if your air filter isn't soaked in oil, then its not pressure thats your issue.</TD></TR></TABLE>


DING DING DING DING..... THANK YOU !!!!!

the.hamburglar

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DING DING DING DING..... THANK YOU !!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

IT IS SOAKED IN OIL. the breather i have on my valve cover is wet, my intake manifold and #4 fuel injector harness has oil deposits on it meaning oil is coming out of the breather because pressure is built up in there. you guys dont understand, its fine and i have no problems under 5psi and anything more than 5psi it leaks. WHICH MEANS my problem has to be related to boost so this is the only thing i can think of

Tchleung

kane.s2k: Well I was just under the impression taht it's better to free up pressure from top and bottom. dasher ran tests tos ee how much pressures the crankcase actualyl built on built engines and stock engiens, and many created about 10-11psi of pressure in the crankcase. And that was with pefect compression and leakdown tests. If you read up on endyn breather threads, you will see that filling the can up with oil is a common problem. Once I vented the engine more, it was perfect. no oil blow by, and any pressure being built escapes right away. I was just more concerned that if, someone were to create 11psi of crankcase pressure on a healthy engine, that that pressure will eventually harm the engine.

kane.s2k

I think i am picturing the bottom portion incorrectly. Do you have pics? I am thinking around the girdle area. However that would create a problem for people who may pull a lot of G's.

The krank vent system does not get in the way of crankcase ventilation it just allows it to work properly by not allowing pressure to be added. It does not keep the pressure from releasing. The whole crankcase ventilation becomes more efficient with this unit.

Tchleung

Ohh.. Okay I think we were both talking about somethin different. I see what you are saying now. The vents I was talknig about are halfway down the block. In the oil galleys.

coneheadsracing

I know there are a ton of people with oil getting to there catch cans and what not. I just wonder if its because they run breather filters on the top of the catch cans. When its like that all your doing is allowing a place for ventilation, yes? However, if instead you run a hose from that spot to pre-turbo, you are now creating a vacum, and thus shouldn't be creating much if any pressure in your engine. If you look on the first page of this, my setup isn't really a CATCH can as it is a vacum can.

Quad-Damage

I am having that problem, oil spewing out of my catch can, (the can is wet with oil) I going to move the can in the front and go with bigger lines and see if thats works, or i might try whats in kane.s2k sig, or maby even do both

*Boostwerks*

Wow. You guys are arguing about something that has been covered hundreds of times here.

A baffled catch can with 2 block or head ports and a drain line back into the block, is all that is needed for most setups. Screw the PCV valve.

Tchleung

Who's argueing? I'm running mines in the way you described it pretty much except without drain back. and it's worknig fine for me now. I'm just trying to get a feel of this other setup.

IntegraTypeR

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kane.s2k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The crankcase pressure vents through the breather. More pressure is not introduced via the PCV with this system.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so you are telling us when running the krank vent there is no need for a catch can anymore? so it restricts oil, but still gives access for ventilation?

let me hear your ideas if i am gonna use these two:
1- stock crank breather --&gt; krank vent --&gt; baffled oil catchcan --&gt; block
2- PCV --&gt; krank vent --&gt; intake mani
does this sound right? and do u think the catchcan will still get be filled with some oil?

the.hamburglar

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tchleung &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">kane.s2k: Well I was just under the impression taht it's better to free up pressure from top and bottom. dasher ran tests tos ee how much pressures the crankcase actualyl built on built engines and stock engiens, and many created about 10-11psi of pressure in the crankcase. And that was with pefect compression and leakdown tests. If you read up on endyn breather threads, you will see that filling the can up with oil is a common problem. Once I vented the engine more, it was perfect. no oil blow by, and any pressure being built escapes right away. I was just more concerned that if, someone were to create 11psi of crankcase pressure on a healthy engine, that that pressure will eventually harm the engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes that is what im concerned about. i think i might have wrecked something in my motor running at 10psi with the stock pcv system. there is so much pressure being built up in there is will pick the easiest way to escape and that would be through the gaskets. all i know is that after i have boosted this 10psi on the stock pcv my car is not running very good anymore. it idles low and kinda rough. i also check coolant today and it was completely empty. it was full a few days ago.

the.hamburglar

well i seemed to have fixed the problem thanks for MOST of you. there are some little weiners who did absolutly nothing for this thread. anyways here is a short how to. this is what my friend and i made this afternoon. it took most of the day to come up with a plan and then go shopping. kinda a pain in the *** but it was a rainy day.

this is a pic of what was happening before the install. this thing we made has seemed to work so i guess my problem is solved. its kinda nasty. who would have thought this could happen.


here is a pic of what the bottom peice looked liked. its made of 3" pvc pipe, and caps, some weird scrubby thing found at walmart, some brass fittings, 3/8 hose, .5" pvc for the inside and my old valve breather that was full of oil.


here is me making the top peice. basically it has two rubber 3/8 lines attached to brass fittings going into the catch can. then the oil vapor air travels down the 2x 0.5" pvc pipe halfway down the catch can where it is vented by the holes in the following pics. the idea is that the oil vapour is more dense than air so as the air travels back up the oil is separted from that air by the scrubby thingy and then released out the top of the catch can via my old valve breather. the oil is cought and will eventually fill up some what but then all you do is take it out and flip it upside down to drain the oil.




here is a pic of everything glued/jb welded together. as we waited for it to dry we took a pic


here is inplace. we just need to route the new lines. it will be painted "JDM black" soon by the way.


here is another pics of the lines attached. basically one line goes straight to the valve cover as seen. the other lines goes to the catch can box at the back of the block. all yo need to do is take out that complete line with the pcv valve in it and then attach the line from the new catch can to that box with no pcv vlave. now there is one problem. there is no line from the intake manifold now. so all you do is use some of the 3/8 line left and stick it on the intake manifold and then but a bolt on the end with a hose clamp so no pressure is realsed from the intake manifold.


and lastly here is a pic of the complete setup. however, notice right beneath the strut tower brace by the intake manifold. we have not plugged that port yet. you have to look carefully. simply just take that hose and put a bolt in it like i said above. maybe run it down belew the intake manifold to look pretty


NOTE: this has fixed my problem of leaking oil out my gaskets but im scared i did not catch this in time as i think i might have done some serious damage to the motor. i just bought a leakdown test package so ill check out tommorow. ill do compression tonight. i might need new valve seals or ever worse, piston rings, as there was so much pressure being built up in the crankcase because of boost. the stock pcv valve only vents pressure in vacuum, when the motor sees boost it stays closed which is very bad on a boosted car. the reason for this is simply that honda motors were not made to be boosted so the engineers made a simple pcv valve system to only work in vacuum to release all that pressure.

Quad-Damage

bump for more pics, anyone with a d series want to show off real pics how they are runing there setups?

the.hamburglar

it will be the same as mine for a d series wont it?

nickromeo

that catchcan setup is awesome!

coneheadsracing

first page i did....

pats16vgti

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coneheadsracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, if instead you run a hose from that spot to pre-turbo, you are now creating a vacum, and thus shouldn't be creating much if any pressure in your engine. If you look on the first page of this, my setup isn't really a CATCH can as it is a vacum can. </TD></TR></TABLE>

By pre-turbo do you mean into the intake track... so your set up would be a line running from the valvecover or crankcase to your breather/vacum canistor with a breather on the can? and then a line back into the intake track?

would you not be worried about any excess oil finding its way into the intake and getting through the turbo?

EJ1 wilcox

I went with a custom made Seafoam setup.

Baffled the inside with steel wool:


Added some fittings and a small K&N filter on the top and mounted it in my engine bay:


Easy enough, worked perfectly.

RyanEJ8

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coneheadsracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't have any issues with mine filling up. But i run mine back to pre turbo, thus creating a vacuum.... they way you guys have them, isn't that just basicaly a way for it to vent, rather then actually pulling out the air?




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Haha, a ******* Foster's can. That's the coolest catch can I've ever seen.....and on a SOHC.