r6samson

I was looking into ways to tap into my coolant system for a water-cooled turbo I'm looking at for my next set-up and I ran across this:

http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/product/WPAD

It looks to be a pretty decent piece for the price. Has 2 different size ports that can be used for anything pretty much, but I was looking into it for the turbo coolant lines mostly. It's not too bad for sub $40 and it's aluminium so it won't rust.

Good way to keep the new set-up CLEEEEAN too.

Tell me guys what you think....thanks.

JP

TheMeat

Great Idea!!!! I had originally attempted to T off of the bleeder valve when I originally installed a GT30R but ended up going to oil cooled only.

DaveF

that is an awsome idea

B18C1CYA

looks like a sweet part, and will make running water lines alot easyer , now they just need one for B series

TunerToys

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Thanks!

Here are a couple of pics if you guys are interested.

Catalog Shot


Installed


There is also a photo blog of the installation of this part at - Tuner Toys Water Port Adapter Installation

Thanks for the kind words guys!

Craig @ http://www.TunerToys.com

PrecisionH23a

From the looks of it, you will be only able to use one port for either the feed or return line.

You have to make sure you have coolant flowing to and from the turbo and using the same source for both feed/return is most likely not allowing that to happen.

r6samson

Thanks a ton guys looks like I'm probably going to pick one or two up here shortly. As for PrecisionH23a's reply I think that you can use the same ports, I really don't see why not.


Oh yea, another thing I saw about doing it this way was the fact that it's pre-pretty much everything and you don't have to be concerned about your thermostat being open/closed or it running through anything before you get your coolant where and when you need it.

JP

jdm_vtec

looks like a great idea

PrecisionH23a

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by r6samson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks a ton guys looks like I'm probably going to pick one or two up here shortly. As for PrecisionH23a's reply I think that you can use the same ports, I really don't see why not. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You usually want a cold and a hot source for tapping into the coolant system. Using the same source for a tee is most likely not going to allow the coolant to actually circulate in the system. Instead you will have coolant entering both ports of your turbine thus not allowing it to actually circulate. If you are allowing coolant to enter a system from a 'return' location tell me how it's going to establish it's direction of flow without the use of an external pump to return back to a source that water is flowing against?

I had a long discussion about this with Joe over at Precision Turbo about this. Some guys 'think' they have the lines ran right... then they find out in time that the coolant was just sitting there not flowing anywhere when their bearings fail.

r6samson

One is the return and the other is the feed which is the the spot for a sending unit if you read. There are two different sizes each for designated purposes which can fit an aftermarket sending unit so that would be your dedicated feed and the other is just a return.


JP

BoostedEG6

now someone correct me if I am wrong..... but with this location you would want to use this as the return because of it being after the coolant has already been headted up by flowing threw the head and block and on its way to the radiator right?

I would think that you would want to tap in somewhere before the thermastat for the feed line due to the coolant already being cooled thus cooling the turbo better

To bad they dont make one of these for a B series

PrecisionH23a

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Place a toy boat into a river flowing downstream. Tell me if that little boat magically goes upstream without any external force helping it.

locash

I think its a cool idea mainly because you have a place to put a temp sender for gauges.. I think I heard a rumor that he will be offering them for B-series applications shortly as well, which would be more handy for me!

TunerToys

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

Yes, the goal of this part (for turbo coolant) is only for coolant returning to the radiator. We haven't put anything together yet for a coolant source. There are several lines elsewhere on the engine, that are at a higher pressure than where this port is placed. Connecting into one of those higher pressure locations, will result in a pressure differential between the source and the return, causing coolant to actually flow through the turbo.

This part provides you with a handy location to run your return coolant back into the system, as well as a convenient location for installing an after market temp sender. This actually places the aftermarket sender inches from the factory sender location.

We are working on the B series versions of these. We are tempted to do the GSR version first, but would be willing to do the other B engines first if you guys think that would be a more popular product. Let us know!

Again, thanks for everyones input, and keep em coming!

Craig @ http://www.TunerToys.com

blinx9900

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You usually want a cold and a hot source for tapping into the coolant system. Using the same source for a tee is most likely not going to allow the coolant to actually circulate in the system. Instead you will have coolant entering both ports of your turbine thus not allowing it to actually circulate. If you are allowing coolant to enter a system from a 'return' location tell me how it's going to establish it's direction of flow without the use of an external pump to return back to a source that water is flowing against?

I had a long discussion about this with Joe over at Precision Turbo about this. Some guys 'think' they have the lines ran right... then they find out in time that the coolant was just sitting there not flowing anywhere when their bearings fail.</TD></TR></TABLE>

agreed, not only that if some how it did magically circulate whats to stop the turbo from just recircuiating the same heated coolant if the ports are right next to each other.

B18Flip

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerToys &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the kind words everyone.

Yes, the goal of this part (for turbo coolant) is only for coolant returning to the radiator. We haven't put anything together yet for a coolant source. There are several lines elsewhere on the engine, that are at a higher pressure than where this port is placed. Connecting into one of those higher pressure locations, will result in a pressure differential between the source and the return, causing coolant to actually flow through the turbo.

This part provides you with a handy location to run your return coolant back into the system, as well as a convenient location for installing an after market temp sender. This actually places the aftermarket sender inches from the factory sender location.

We are working on the B series versions of these. We are tempted to do the GSR version first, but would be willing to do the other B engines first if you guys think that would be a more popular product. Let us know!

Again, thanks for everyones input, and keep em coming!

Craig @ http://www.TunerToys.com

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B-series and GSR version

B18C1CYA

You guys should make a adapter for the block drain for another coolant line , that would be pritty slick and Iam sure you guys will make it just as nice as the peace above , I think the threads are the same size on the D series and B series also , but it is just a guess

HiProfile

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I would think the b16 version would be the most popular. There are MANY more b16 head floating around, not just because they made 5x more b16's in japan, but most jdm kiddies get their b16a as their first major stepping stone, then blow it up thinking vtec will carry them pask 9k daily. The heads are sold, then slapped on an LS.

Honestly it doesn't seem like that hard of a product to make or even design. Even a small shop with a HAAS could pump these out left and right, needing little more than the g-code and a simple jig (vice & stopper). Not saying its easy to make smaller batches of items, just saying its not like machining a freshly cast engine block. Cool product

DaveF

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while that would be cool, it still would not flow. (if both the upper hose piece, and this were utilized) in order for it to work properly, you need something before/after the water pump.

TunerToys

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....you need something before/after the water pump.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is exactly right. We just haven't taken the time to analyze the water flow in the D series engine, to find that higher pressure section we want to tap.

Craig

D15Bbigred

so is there a way to prove that this block will actually work when water cooling a turbo? or are we all just guessing and hopefully it works.

TheMeat

The map sensor adapter is also a nice piece!! Just took a quick peek at your site.

r6samson

Yes, look at the photos and installation not to mention the product in production by TT and was developed after a few of there race buddies acted upon the idea. I don't think they'd make a product that doesn't work. I trust it's application and my question from before was just opinions on it. It's efficency is not a question.


JP

AZSTATEPOLICE

Looks like a good idea for a turbo coolant return, but I dont know about supplying the turbo with hot water. I would prefer the water source to be the cooled coolant going into the motor rather than the hot coolant coming out. B series app. would be great! And bump for the cool guy that made them.

TunerToys

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheMeat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The map sensor adapter is also a nice piece!! Just took a quick peek at your site. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks! We haven't even announced that part yet. We just finished the photos and catalog work yesterday. We'll do a formal announcement here shortly.

Thanks Guys!

Craig<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AZSTATEPOLICE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks like a good idea for a turbo coolant return, but I dont know about supplying the turbo with hot water. I would prefer the water source to be the cooled coolant going into the motor rather than the hot coolant coming out. B series app. would be great! And bump for the cool guy that made them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, like we stated earlier, we haven't found the best location on the D motors for tapping into a supply of cooled and pressurized water. When we do, we'll make a piece to simplify that as well. Our hope is to have a complete bolt on kit for water lines, where the customer doesn't have to tap, drill, cut, or otherwise do any fab work, to get the water cooled portion of their project hooked up.

Craig