whoneedzvtec

well i tryed to search but came up empty handed. what i am trying to find out is, for and 84mm ls block b16 head combo, what head gasket am i supposed to be using. also my b16 head is tapped and plugged and was wondering if any plugging on the block is required. thanks in advance.

Boostfed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoneedzvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i tryed to search but came up empty handed. what i am trying to find out is, for and 84mm ls block b16 head combo, what head gasket am i supposed to be using. also my b16 head is tapped and plugged and was wondering if any plugging on the block is required. thanks in advance.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Stock B20 headgasket or a Cometic LS/VTEC gasket, either will work

whoneedzvtec

thanks, and how about having to do any sort of plugging on the block, i know the head needs to plugged and tapped but how about the block? thanks

Boostfed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoneedzvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> thanks, and how about having to do any sort of plugging on the block, i know the head needs to plugged and tapped but how about the block? thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>


If you have the head plugged then nothing needs to be done to the block other than running the LS/VTEC line Teed from the Oil Pressure sending unit or from a Golden Eagle Oil Sandwich Adapter.

whoneedzvtec

well, i understand how the b16/gsr head gets oil to it. its obviously through the hole that is tapped in the head and then on the b16/gsr block the hole matching up to it feeds oil to the head, but if there is no hole in the ls head or block.......where is the oil coming from on the ls head? just curious. thanks a lot.

Boostfed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoneedzvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, i understand how the b16/gsr head gets oil to it. its obviously through the hole that is tapped in the head and then on the b16/gsr block the hole matching up to it feeds oil to the head, but if there is no hole in the ls head or block.......where is the oil coming from on the ls head? just curious. thanks a lot.</TD></TR></TABLE>

UH the LS Head does no have VTEC so that is why there is no hole in the block to mate up to the head to activate the VTEC solenoid. When you do LS/VTEC you plug that hole in the head as there is no hole lined up from the block, you then get oilk from the back of the block to one of two ports on the VTEC head. Make sense?


There is nothing for you to do on the LS block, essentially you could have a full LS block and head DECIDE to go LS/VTEC, pull the LS head off and slap the VTEC on as long as you modded the VTEC head, also use LS/VTEC dowel pins or machine the head to line up the dowels. Do the VTEC line to the head and you are good to go other than wiring the VTEC solenoid and such to the ECU

whoneedzvtec

right, ok. im sorry if i upset you, i was'nt trying to be ignorant. im acually decently knowladgable as far as honda motors go. i was asking the questions that i asked (and i know that they sound retarded) because im having problems with my ls/vtec setup. all i was really trying to get at is.......how or where does the ls head get its oil supply from.

Boostfed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoneedzvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">right, ok. im sorry if i upset you, i was'nt trying to be ignorant. im acually decently knowladgable as far as honda motors go. i was asking the questions that i asked (and i know that they sound retarded) because im having problems with my ls/vtec setup. all i was really trying to get at is.......how or where does the ls head get its oil supply from. </TD></TR></TABLE>


OH I am not pissed off at all I hope my post did nbot sound that way and apparently I was MISUNDERSTANDING what you were asking. You asked for what headgasket for LS/VTEC, the simple answer for that is B20 Stock OEM gasket and nothing needs to be plugged in the block

whoneedzvtec

thank you for your time and help.

Boostfed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whoneedzvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thank you for your time and help.</TD></TR></TABLE>

blackeg

no block mods necessary. just use the b20 or ge lsvtec headgasket. you will have to pull out the 2 brass grommets on the exhaust side of the hg

whoneedzvtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no block mods necessary. just use the b20 or ge lsvtec headgasket. you will have to pull out the 2 brass grommets on the exhaust side of the hg</TD></TR></TABLE> why is this necessary, what would happen if i did'nt? does everybody who runs ls-vtec do this?

blackeg

they get between the head and the block when you tq the headgasket down. ive had lilke 4 different lsvtec setupss overe the past 2 years and ive done this on all of them

CerealKiller

OP, all you need is a Golden Eagle LS conversion Full kit. Comes with Sandwich plate adapter, oil line and Head gasket.

Dunc

I wouldn't get anything but an OEM or Golden Eagle 84mm. That's just my opinion after using two different cometic gaskets.

0morgan@synapse motorsport

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tony413

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by inlineaddict &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OP, all you need is a Golden Eagle LS conversion Full kit. Comes with Sandwich plate adapter, oil line and Head gasket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you could build your own LS/Vtec kit for cheaper and use a -3 (recommended) or -4AN ss line because -6AN that comes in the GE is to big.

Dunc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you could build your own LS/Vtec kit for cheaper and use a -3 (recommended) or -4AN ss line because -6AN that comes in the GE is to big.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who is recommending -3AN line to be used for the head? -6 is used quite a bit.....people even use -8 line for the feed on the head.

tony413

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dunc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Who is recommending -3AN line to be used for the head? -6 is used quite a bit.....people even use -8 line for the feed on the head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

evans-tuning

explain why -6AN woul be better than -3AN or -4AN if its pressure that you want not volume

Dunc

I guess I better call up the Honda engineers and tell them to reduce the size of the hole they have drilled in their heads down to a 1/8th to accept -3AN better

tony413

you run

3/8NPT to a -6AN adaptor Part # 991906 $3.65
-6AN to -4AN adaptor and it works fine Part # 981666 $3.85

Dunc

So basically what you're saying is that the hole was purposely drilled too big and the line that Honda engineered is wrong?

tony413

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dunc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So basically what you're saying is that the hole was purposely drilled too big and the line that Honda engineered is wrong?</TD></TR></TABLE>

NO answer this where is the oil feed to a Vtec head on a Vtec engine and what size is that hole ?

Dunc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NO answer this where is the oil feed to a Vtec head on a Vtec engine and what size is that hole ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's an internal hole on the back of the block in the middle. I haven't measured one since I didn't really care that much but it's not a small hole. It might be 3/8", but if my memory serves me correctly, it's bigger than the I.D. of -3AN line. If you have an block laying around, put a ruler on it and snap a picture. I'm intrigued now.

That's a little off-topic though because you have to do things differently on an ls/vtec than on a factory vtec motor. i.e. you're not going to drill a hole internally for the oil, stuff like that.

tony413

i get off work at 2AM tonite i'l take pics for you and the internal hole is 1/8 NPT. and the reason i brought that fact up was because thats around -3AN or -4AN STOCK and thats why i suggest using a -3AN or -4AN line for an LS/Vtec set-up. thats all im not here for right or wrong or to argue just help if i can