Spec R

Hell yeah, thanks for all the good posts guys, especially riceball77.

splitime

How about this... lets figure out how many guys are either doing just 1/4mile or street racing their setups vs those that aren't.

I like my NA for ROADCOURSES..... not for quick/fun/lmao 1/4mile. I'm curious to see how many actually drive their car on a real track... vs the drag strips

evosol

ummm... yeah... me too. this is getting repetitive. I was once N/A and now boosted, although i can appreciate a nice NA build too.

It all really depends on how you intend to use your car too though... my car would get killed on a road course.

for a regular street monster thats affordable... i vote for turbo.

no2unenolife

N/A was best for me.. at one time.
but i' wouldn't mind to have a nice daily driver n/a beast

stealthmode62

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Oh come on. Everybody knows that if you can turn you aren't going fast enough.


(hey, how bout a little sarcasm)

IN VTEC

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I like linear powerbands. It's predictable and easy to drive while auto-x'ing and on the road course.

I drove a friend's 240SX with 335whp one night and scared myself shitless because the power comes on so quickly when it hits full boost that the rear-end likes to fishtail while going straight. That sort of power is intoxicating and I would love to be able to put down good times and win races, but it's not for me....yet.

Another side of it, is that I hate working on turbo'd engines since the downpipe, turbo, and manifold can be time-intensive and awkward to remove (depending on the manifold, turbo, and downpipe flange used).

trucdoken

i used to be an NA guy too... but the dark side is way faster...

metal-x

I used to be boosted before now im back to NA mode but gona be boosted again soon but I'll agree with splitime on NA being somewhat more reliable on a road course than say a boosted setup I can just imagine the wear and tear of running a 300hp car hard at the track for hours

91integraLSVTEC

atleast us n/a cars dont have to worry about cracking ringlands, blowing pistons up, breaking trannys, axles etc. i agree turbo is best bang for the buck and much faster. but it breaks alot of ****. majority of the times when i race a turbo car at the track it would break down or something would happen to it. i like n/a because its what i perfer. a 12sec n/a car will get much more respect than a 12sec f/i car.

MrBui

think again dude...ive seen n/a cars break ring lands, seen them breaking tranny's and axles more than fi cars....all cars break stuff..... i like riding full interior with ac.... reving to 9k isnt always teh win for your motor

91integraLSVTEC

yeh your right n/a cars break alot more stuff with 135lbs torque and 9k rpms sure sure does melt ringlands more than 20psi

EK_GSR

hahaha... i sooo used to be one until i took a ride in my friends car which was a CRX-turbo'd b16... and let me tell you... the next weekend i was looking for a boost kit.. !!!! hahaha

MrBui

its all in the tunes and setups dude..... please take your n/a *** out of this thead before it turns into n/a vs fi...it should be more of tuned vs non-tuned.... take your 135lbs of tq...dump your car at 9k on slicks and see if anything breaks... try again with fully upgraded parts and see what is better....take a turbo kit and slap it on a stock motor...boost to 30psi...now take a fully built car boost to 30psi...which one do you like better........like i said....its all in the tunes and setups... fast,reliable,cheap...pick 2... both n/a and fi can be fast...you just gotta set it up differently....

i love riding next to my n/a friends.....seeing them sweating their ***** of in the florida heat is funny...also having to blast your music up because you cant hear from the roadnoise.... i love ac and my leather gsr interior

91integraLSVTEC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MrBui &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its all in the tunes and setups dude..... please take your n/a *** out of this thead before it turns into n/a vs fi...it should be more of tuned vs non-tuned.... take your 135lbs of tq...dump your car at 9k on slicks and see if anything breaks... try again with fully upgraded parts and see what is better....take a turbo kit and slap it on a stock motor...boost to 30psi...now take a fully built car boost to 30psi...which one do you like better........like i said....its all in the tunes and setups... fast,reliable,cheap...pick 2... both n/a and fi can be fast...you just gotta set it up differently....

i love riding next to my n/a friends.....seeing them sweating their ***** of in the florida heat is funny...also having to blast your music up because you cant hear from the roadnoise.... i love ac and my leather gsr interior </TD></TR></TABLE>


you got a serious ego problem. you did not read everybodys post including mine its all about what people perfer. a 9k rpm drop on a n/a car has a better chance to survive than 15psi 7k drop. i'm not going down to your level and make this a n/a vs f/i thread because thats where its heading. i'm taking my n/a *** out off here before that 30psi turbo in your *** blows up this thread. btw ive been doing 8k rpm drops with slicks for 4 yrs no problem....

dasher

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yes, and i can see why...

s/vtec R.I.P. 6/04
203whp 139 torque
14.0@101mph street tires, full interior
Now running jdm b18cR
188whp 144 torque bolt ons
200whp 134 torque sks2cams and an-r compact header
14.3@98mph

MrBui

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91integraLSVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">atleast us n/a cars dont have to worry about cracking ringlands, blowing pistons up, breaking trannys, axles etc. i agree turbo is best bang for the buck and much faster. but it breaks alot of ****. majority of the times when i race a turbo car at the track it would break down or something would happen to it. i like n/a because its what i perfer. a 12sec n/a car will get much more respect than a 12sec f/i car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

it all started when you said that

StyleTEG

was NA, car got totaled

bought an FI car

spent a month dealing with one FI related issue after another

sold the car, still not running to pick up another lightweight NA car

Boost was fun, but it wasn't what I was looking for. On the track the car felt heavy and unresponsive. The only time the power was REALLY helpful was on the straights (and keep in mind this was on a T25).

If I wanted a drag/street car I would probably stick with turbo. For the track, I would rather the car be lightweight and NA.

Dunc

ok what is up with all these posts about turbo cars being heavy and n/a being super light weight? Where is all the extra weight being lost when doing n/a? They only extra weight of a FI car I can think of is the turbo/wastegate/intercooler and intercooler piping.

That's not that much more extra weight, so would someone please elaborate on how N/A's can be "so much lighter" than FI's

MrBui

well with fi...there's no need to gut the car out.... with na...to go "fast" you need to be light weight....200hp na 2800lb car wont move as fast as a 300hp fi 2800lb car...get me?

Dunc

That's kind of obvious that with weight the same the more powerful car is faster.

That's not my question though.....where are the N/A cars getting all this extra lost weight compared to FI cars? I am just confused as to how if you are n/a then you are fast because you are light where as if you are FI then you must be heavy.

MidShipCivic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StyleTEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">was NA, car got totaled

bought an FI car

spent a month dealing with one FI related issue after another

sold the car, still not running to pick up another lightweight NA car

Boost was fun, but it wasn't what I was looking for. On the track the car felt heavy and unresponsive. The only time the power was REALLY helpful was on the straights (and keep in mind this was on a T25).

If I wanted a drag/street car I would probably stick with turbo. For the track, I would rather the car be lightweight and NA.</TD></TR></TABLE>

T25 spool quick as **** you call that un responsive must have been on stock exhaust ... stock everything... stop that right there.

dornon13

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dunc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's kind of obvious that with weight the same the more powerful car is faster.

That's not my question though.....where are the N/A cars getting all this extra lost weight compared to FI cars? I am just confused as to how if you are n/a then you are fast because you are light where as if you are FI then you must be heavy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He is saying that most of NA cars are going to be more prone to doing wieght modifications whereas someone with boost is more likely just to turn up the boost rather than lose luxury items. The fact that they are NA has nothing to do with the weight...proly like 40-50lbs heavier with just added turbo components they are just more likely to take things out.

b16sedan

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How about this... lets figure out how many guys are either doing just 1/4mile or street racing their setups vs those that aren't.

I like my NA for ROADCOURSES..... not for quick/fun/lmao 1/4mile. I'm curious to see how many actually drive their car on a real track... vs the drag strips </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ask Austrian Type-R how his turbo ITR @ 300+ WHP does on the road course passing Porsches. Ask Jeff Evans how his turbo hatch @ 300+ WHP does on the road course passing everything. I took my car to a lot of HPDE's with a T3/TO4E 57-trim .48 A/R on it, but I havn't been back with the bigass T67. I'm sure it wouldn't be stellar, but this is why I'm building a K24/K20 hybrid hatch with a GT30R to tear up the road course with.

StyleTEG

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you are assuming that I was driving a honda

stop that right there

I had an aftermarket manifold, 3" dp -&gt; testpipe -&gt; exhaust

In my case the car I bought was in fact heavier, the fact that it was nonlinear power just made it feel worse.

TurboEM1

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Spec R I just had to reply. I read your previous post and this post and I can't believe how people couldn't understand your question. It was such a simple question that people could not answer. I think that is the funniest thread ever. This one atleast people were able to read.

As for me. I have an EM1 with an intake and exhaust (not what i would call a n/a car) but I am going straight to a FI setup. Sorry I can't help with your question.