calvinPGMFI

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Unsivil_audio &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know there's been alot of talk about pricing, but here is all I want to know. Is pricing going to be competitive with Hondata S300 or Neptune(&lt;~600), or more competitive with AEM EMS (~1k range)? I'm gonna say if you have competitive pricing with s300/neptune you'll have no problem selling it to the public.

Also, are tuner licenses going to be available to the general masses, or are the "tuners" gonna be hand picked, like what was done with Neptune in the beginning?

One more question, directed at Blundar since he has already tuned a car with this EMS. What did you think of the GUI of Ectune? Was it pretty straight forward, easy to get used to? Time wise, was it any quicker to tune a car?

Frankly, I'm excited to see another EMS pop up in the honda community. Us honda guys have it good. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is from one of my tuners
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Just wanted to post some positive comments. This evening I went out with an employee and we tuned my own personal car. Well it was actually already tuned but I wanted to do a comparison tune as well as try out features and become accustomed to the software.

The injector scaling is a lot simpler to use and I like the way I can start a tune up selecting the proper ECU and such without having to mess with reams of plugins and options. The feature set is very rich and most of the things worked.

The only drivability problem I had was not being able to find the rolling idle adjustment. I always rev match so it's not a big issue with me but my significant other does not so it will make the car a little jerky to drive. Probably a matter of finding that feature or having it added.

I've tuned with a lot of standalones and reflash software. ectune is already in the top 10. Keep up the great work.

-Michael
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I won't be in the AEM range

boosted k20

can anyone purchase the tuner version? or will u be handpicking them?

calvinPGMFI

handpicking for now..

Bugermass

I've been using eCtune for a little while now, and previous to that I was tuning with all flavors of hondata, and crome. I've also worked with AEM, FAST, ELECTROMITIVE, and HALTEK..

The easiest way for me to describe eCtune would be this.

"eCtune provides functionality at the level of many standalones while keeping the cost and simplicity of your common Honda Rom Editor."

Most of the rom editors out now are pretty much copies of each other, they all do just about the same thing and each of them have their strenths and weaknesses. eCtune has all the strengths of the competing editors as well as new functionalities that will be firsts ever in honda rom editing.

It still amazes me some of the ideas that collectively everyone that has pitched in have come up with. And the nice thing is, its a very (what the tuners want the tuners get). In other words calvin is taking input from several experienced tuners that have worked with many EMSs and Rom Editors, and saying, look, tell me what you love and what you hate and what you wish you always had and I'll make it happen. And I think because of this eCtune will be the best Rom Editor out there for honda. And honestly if the Honda ECU was a bit more advanced hardware wise, I think because of the functionality of the software it could easily rival the majority of the standalones.

And now I'm not getting a kick back or any kind of special anything for promoting eCtune. I like stuff that works and works well. And so far this is the best as far as Rom Editors go.

Civic TSI

Personnaly, I did some developement on Uberdata before switching to Crome due to the lack of support. History repeating itself, I switched to eCtune for the same reason. I was personnaly shocked when John Cui wrote that Crome was an editing tool and not a tuning tool and therefor had no responsabilities on the code on the ECU.

As any software, the hard part is getting use to it. Once done, eCtune just rocks. I'll never go back to Crome Pro unless someone has his car already tune with it and wants some mods apply to it.

eCtune was not develop to kick Crome's ***. There's a market for Crome and I think it is there to stay. eCtune is primarily for REAL tuners. eCtune is not hacking stock roms, it has its own rom, as Neptune and Hondata. There all kick Crome's *** AFAIK.

So if you're having your car tuned, the tuner will use whatever he is use to. If you want to tune it yourself, you can choose all of the above, but unless you do not want paying for the real time editing hardware and want to burn chip, then Crome is your only option.

daddycivic

aem ems hands down the best

SOHC_MShue

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I cant stand your ignorance

ndogg

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deryck324

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just wondering . have you used ectune ? if not how do you know that aem is so much better

blundar

I've used them both (repeatedly)

Without any argument, the AEM is more flexible in terms of the controls it offers. Without any argument, the AEM's hardware has capabilities that the stock ECU lacks, for driving COP for instance.

Without any argument, eCtune has much better control of vtec, treating it like the OEM intended, instead of like any other output. eCtune has MUCH better datalogging and statistical analysis of logged data. Without any argument, eCtune has a much cleaner and friendlier user interface. Without any argument, eCtune has much better basemaps.

Choose wisely. for 99% of the cars I've tuned, eCtune would do a better job.

Civic TSI

And without any argument, Honda Ecus are way more reliable than AEM.

Unsivil_audio

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Thats interesting you say that, also something I've wondered. So basically what your saying is the superiority of EcTune comes from not what it does, but how it does it. It basically rewrites how the honda ecu functions, whereas other tuning software, such as neptune nad s300 and crome just modify the stock functions of the ecu. Is this why we'll have the ability to do things such as, run a wideband o2 sensor, and modify closed loop values?

BTW, I've been telling every one of my friends about how great EcTune is. I can't wait for its release to the public. Also, Calvin, please keep me in mind for a tuner spot for my area, we have no one within 450miles that tunes anything hondata/uber/crome or neptune. I think there would be a small market here, but a market none-the-less.

Moltes

Damn , and Calvin lives 2 mins away from me , never was aware of that.
Anyway good luck with your project dude.

95exdsmkilla

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Might as well get extra 100 and some change buy hondata s300. Lot better Standalone for a honda/acura I say.

trust me, anyone who use hondata s300 will say the same thing.

but the features on ECtune are lot better than uberdata and chrome.

Unsivil_audio

^-did you even read the thread? The features are better than anything out there for honda, save AEM and other full standalones.

And its not the shiny stuff, its Crome.

Civic TSI

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Not what I said. S300 and Neptune also have their own re-ingeneer rom.


Modified by Civic TSI at 7:33 PM 4/25/2007

Unsivil_audio

I see. Just wondered about that. lol, I just reread what you said, and turns out, I'm an idiot. Reading comprehension &gt; me.

1CamSol

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Thats interesting you say that, also something I've wondered. So basically what your saying is the superiority of EcTune comes from not what it does, but how it does it. It basically rewrites how the honda ecu functions, whereas other tuning software, such as neptune nad s300 and crome just modify the stock functions of the ecu. Is this why we'll have the ability to do things such as, run a wideband o2 sensor, and modify closed loop values?

BTW, I've been telling every one of my friends about how great EcTune is. I can't wait for its release to the public. Also, Calvin, please keep me in mind for a tuner spot for my area, we have no one within 450miles that tunes anything hondata/uber/crome or neptune. I think there would be a small market here, but a market none-the-less. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i don't get what your saying. I mean all you can do is just integrate more **** into the ecu. The only thing calvin has to work with is a serial port and memory. It's not like he's reinventing the thing. I don't understand why it's so revolutionary besides adding more code to support ****.

dpaton

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2CamKilla &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't get what your saying. I mean all you can do is just integrate more **** into the ecu. The only thing calvin has to work with is a serial port and memory. It's not like he's reinventing the thing. I don't understand why it's so revolutionary besides adding more code to support ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Only part of what makes ECTune so awesome is in the ECU. The rest is in the PC app, where the user interface and configuration happens. It's not hard to spit data over a serial port, but it's ******* hard to make the user experience for something as complex as deep ECU adjustments simple, straightforward, logical, and reliable.

calvinPGMFI

and don't forget. Rom assembly is hard too. No simple way to debug as you would do on a PC. Reverse engineer almost everything

dpaton

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As a part time reverse engineer, I can't believe I forgot about that part. Of course, the years of work done for Crome probably gave you a nice place to begin

nowtype

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At least half of that was already done and sits in pgmfi's sourceforge account. So you reverse engineered half of everything maybe. Even then I'm sure if I asked you what was occurring at 10 different memory locations on the ROM, a good percentage of the time it would be a very convoluted gray area answer.

.nate

Calvin has been a big part of the PGMFI community way before CROME came about... It is likely that some of the features you use in CROME he has had a part in. So what have you contributed? I know that I have spent my share of time helping to develop crome plugins...

nowtype

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Nate, what happened between now and 12 months ago when you couldn't handle converting the AC output plugin? You are now a developer? Not to be a dick, but I've never seen you develop a single plug-in ever. You added somethings to the advanced fuel tools? Thats not development. That would be like saying I'm a developer, and thats just a lie.

And yes, I'm in a **** talking mood. I don't like the fact that you guys are acting like you aren't using other peoples work that they contributed to a project for free and turning it into a way to make profit without giving them credit. Also I don't care for your claims that you've somehow redone the whole Honda ROM and now you have your own special ROM. Its all horse ****. Your roms are probably 90% the same and 10% unique at best. Things are what they are, and you a representing them as something completely different. Not a great quality.

.nate

I'm no assembly programmer, I didnt write a scrap of code in eCtune... never claimed to either.

I did what I was capable of doing in order to help the community. I can't say the same for 95% of the people on PGMFI...

And in terms of the AC Output plugin... CALVIN wrote the code, I tried my hand at making the plugin, my car went down and I didnt have a way to test, not to mention I was very swamped for time so I had to give up. Sorry I couldn't make a bigger contribution to make you happy