#VIDEO - The World's first 9 second All Motor Honda Civic - Prayoonto Racing
07-16-2012, 09:22 AM
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Why criticize those that ask questions?
Everyone says this forum went down hill because those that actually know things left or don't post anymore...that isn't accurate. They did leave, yes, but those that took their place are more concerned with marketing and making money than teaching. That is why this forum is falling apart.
The writing is on the wall.
07-16-2012, 12:10 PM
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realistically, unless every team contests every other team at an event, everyone has an opportunity to cheat. and that sounds like a really fun fad to start.
so let's continue to disparage the guys at the top of the heap. the guys that are actually participating in events every weekend, lowering ET's, and progressing the sport for everyone. because if they're going fast, they must be cheating. there's no other way, right?
signal - i get your point, i sincerely do. but what are you trying to prove or promote with this crusade? they don't x-ray every bat in MLB so from your perspective we should discredit every hit since there's a possibility someone could have corked it. teaching people that going fast = endless accusations of cheating isn't going to help sell anyone's product or progress the sport.
Norris - props to you. we need to catch up.
so let's continue to disparage the guys at the top of the heap. the guys that are actually participating in events every weekend, lowering ET's, and progressing the sport for everyone. because if they're going fast, they must be cheating. there's no other way, right?
signal - i get your point, i sincerely do. but what are you trying to prove or promote with this crusade? they don't x-ray every bat in MLB so from your perspective we should discredit every hit since there's a possibility someone could have corked it. teaching people that going fast = endless accusations of cheating isn't going to help sell anyone's product or progress the sport.
Norris - props to you. we need to catch up.
07-16-2012, 12:41 PM
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If people took the time and energy they waste in worrying about everyone else and what their car does and put that time and energy into their own car, maybe we would have a lot more cars competing. Who cares if it's truly a record or not. It's fast and he's out there non stop looking for ways to go faster while others sit back looking for excuses as to why he's going that fast.
07-16-2012, 02:11 PM
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If people took the time and energy they waste in worrying about everyone else and what their car does and put that time and energy into their own car, maybe we would have a lot more cars competing. Who cares if it's truly a record or not. It's fast and he's out there non stop looking for ways to go faster while others sit back looking for excuses as to why he's going that fast.
BTW this sport will always have fans and true fans don't get caught up in personal agenda's and false accusations, they just want to see fast cars and good drag races
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When all the fans leave, who is going to pay for the events that you show up to?
Why criticize those that ask questions?
Everyone says this forum went down hill because those that actually know things left or don't post anymore...that isn't accurate. They did leave, yes, but those that took their place are more concerned with marketing and making money than teaching. That is why this forum is falling apart.
The writing is on the wall.
Why criticize those that ask questions?
Everyone says this forum went down hill because those that actually know things left or don't post anymore...that isn't accurate. They did leave, yes, but those that took their place are more concerned with marketing and making money than teaching. That is why this forum is falling apart.
The writing is on the wall.
"Basically, what I am saying is, Norris is full of ****. If Loan can't hit 9's in the car when she was driving it, what makes you think Norris can clip off 2 tenths by hopping in a car he DOESN'T EVEN DRIVE?
Give me a ****ing break dude. Like Nikos said, it would at least been more believable if he had at least made it look like he was 'making improvements' at the 'test-n-tune'"
"Norris has been caught in lies, and if you choose to continue believing him, then that is your choice."
" As it stands, there is enough conjecture to support claims that during the test-n-tune, the car was not running in competition trim.
Hell, if it was MY car, I wouldn't run it in competition trim either. How are you going to test a chassis, to verify it can clip the times you want, if you don't put a larger/more powerful engine in it? "
"Why did it take so long for this thread to be made? It was posted like a month after that test-n-tune, right?
I think you assume a lot. I, like Nikos and Blazed, was waiting for someone to try to 'one-up' the guys in Bahrain when they posted that 10.00. We all discussed it amongst each other that day, so, it was kinda comical to us when Norris out of nowhere posts a 9 lmao."
07-16-2012, 03:25 PM
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Do you even race bro? 
Oh, tell me about the slip break down again lol.
Obviously this is beyond your comprehension, as you have proved over and over again.
Good luck this year
btw, I am not jealous of any racers. I hate sleeping in trailers lol.
Oh, tell me about the slip break down again lol.
Obviously this is beyond your comprehension, as you have proved over and over again.
Good luck this year
btw, I am not jealous of any racers. I hate sleeping in trailers lol.
07-16-2012, 03:28 PM
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signal - i get your point, i sincerely do. but what are you trying to prove or promote with this crusade? they don't x-ray every bat in MLB so from your perspective we should discredit every hit since there's a possibility someone could have corked it. teaching people that going fast = endless accusations of cheating isn't going to help sell anyone's product or progress the sport.
Simple enough for ya?
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I really want to see Loan pull the first 9. I think that would be cool.
I remember a few years ago, Saul was in an accident, and I sent her some money to give to him to help him with his medical bills so he could get back to racing again.
She was very nice and wrote me a thank you note. That is sportsmanship.
Now you just have people like 24/7 whining about any bit of sarcasm or criticism that comes toward him or his sponsor. Nikos is my daddy? C'mon guy, he is Greek, I am totally not Mediterranean. Straight ginger here
I grew up around old muscle heads that said this type of stuff,
"Find me an honest racer, and I will show you a man in last place."
"If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'"
"It isn't personal, it is racing."
Don't take it personal. The guys in NHRA don't lol.
I remember a few years ago, Saul was in an accident, and I sent her some money to give to him to help him with his medical bills so he could get back to racing again.
She was very nice and wrote me a thank you note. That is sportsmanship.
Now you just have people like 24/7 whining about any bit of sarcasm or criticism that comes toward him or his sponsor. Nikos is my daddy? C'mon guy, he is Greek, I am totally not Mediterranean. Straight ginger here
I grew up around old muscle heads that said this type of stuff,
"Find me an honest racer, and I will show you a man in last place."
"If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'"
"It isn't personal, it is racing."
Don't take it personal. The guys in NHRA don't lol.
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Re: #VIDEO - The World's first 9 second All Motor Honda Civic - Prayoonto Racing
how was it the offseason? IFO has events from the middle of January until the middle to later part of December usually, or are you now also in charge of telling all of us when the offseason starts and finishes?
07-17-2012, 12:47 PM
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you can really tell the sport is going downhill when even the people who are part of it cant get along =|
07-17-2012, 12:48 PM
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Nikos asked about both, and added some sarcastic jabs, but then he got ridiculed for it. For what? For asking questions? That is what people do when it doesn't make sense to them.
We were told later it was a fuel change. lol, Nikos was right, and people were pissed about it, but the things that he is talking about are bigger than just Norris or the fuel or anything else that people continue to try to divert the topic to.
You , Tim, Pepsi etc are great gentleman and that is very honorable. Luke too!
It so happens to be Norris but it could have been so many before him that also tried to run 9s. In fact Norris has been running 9s on kseries pro all motor car for the past 8 years now before he decided to start swimming with the small fish so to speak for whatever reasons.
So off the trailer on a test a tune he run what he run and that's great for the sport, showing everyone what is possible with these cars, just like IPS did with the fake 400whp dynojet that is now a reality, 5 years later lol
Your fans want to believe that it is a fair race and win or loose at least, some basic rules are enforced.. like weight and fuel.
Things change and sometimes you used to run against is now your fuel supplier or track personal tuner etc etc
Like last year, I will try to pledge $1000 for the first car that breaks nines in your shootout and will take your word that whoever gets the money is not cheating and we should pretty much leave it at that..
Now, please consider any future sponsors coming into your sport to support you, the drag racer. The way it looks now, contesting fuel is for pussies. All you can do is try your best and hope FTW.
My personal opinion is that he was stuck at a power level for a while and used cheater fuel to make the news. Seeing that probably he cannot get away from the smell on track day he has moved on using some short of Miller Blend that is legal because someone said so.
Even during the video, a cam manufactured that he claims to be, he was showing off gearbox components talking about trying different things etc etc
How else can we sugar coat it?
Even the paragraphs are copy and paste from brian crower site and that dude Brian Crower doesn;t even want to let the guy claim his 9 second run with his own proyoonto cams that Norris does. Instead he has to take credit for that too.
And you really think, we are going to sit here and be quiet about so that you, Pepsi and Tim do not appear like sore losers?
Don't worry guys, as long as we are the jerks and haters you guys can pretend to be all friends at the track talking behind each others back at any opportunity. I love racing!
Keep making the nice PC posts on here, deep down inside I know you guys are not really loosing much sleep over this. Too many factors in racing and fuel is definitely as important as any other component in the engine.
It so happens to be Norris but it could have been so many before him that also tried to run 9s. In fact Norris has been running 9s on kseries pro all motor car for the past 8 years now before he decided to start swimming with the small fish so to speak for whatever reasons.
So off the trailer on a test a tune he run what he run and that's great for the sport, showing everyone what is possible with these cars, just like IPS did with the fake 400whp dynojet that is now a reality, 5 years later lol
Your fans want to believe that it is a fair race and win or loose at least, some basic rules are enforced.. like weight and fuel.
Things change and sometimes you used to run against is now your fuel supplier or track personal tuner etc etc
Like last year, I will try to pledge $1000 for the first car that breaks nines in your shootout and will take your word that whoever gets the money is not cheating and we should pretty much leave it at that..
Now, please consider any future sponsors coming into your sport to support you, the drag racer. The way it looks now, contesting fuel is for pussies. All you can do is try your best and hope FTW.
My personal opinion is that he was stuck at a power level for a while and used cheater fuel to make the news. Seeing that probably he cannot get away from the smell on track day he has moved on using some short of Miller Blend that is legal because someone said so.
Even during the video, a cam manufactured that he claims to be, he was showing off gearbox components talking about trying different things etc etc
How else can we sugar coat it?
Even the paragraphs are copy and paste from brian crower site and that dude Brian Crower doesn;t even want to let the guy claim his 9 second run with his own proyoonto cams that Norris does. Instead he has to take credit for that too.
And you really think, we are going to sit here and be quiet about so that you, Pepsi and Tim do not appear like sore losers?
Don't worry guys, as long as we are the jerks and haters you guys can pretend to be all friends at the track talking behind each others back at any opportunity. I love racing!
Keep making the nice PC posts on here, deep down inside I know you guys are not really loosing much sleep over this. Too many factors in racing and fuel is definitely as important as any other component in the engine.
Like I have said, it isn't personal. It is an observation of the sport as a whole, and how it is falling apart.
As fans and enthusiasts, we can only support it so much. When the business side of it encroaches on the fun side of it, the fans notice it, and they turn away. The fans have no problem pressing the 'I believe' button and moving on when specs are not shared on a setup. No one really expects them to be. That is part of the allure of the sport. But to make a huge change, and expect no criticism, and then ridicule those same people asking the questions...where is the fun? No one wants to support that.
07-17-2012, 01:04 PM
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Re: #VIDEO - The World's first 9 second All Motor Honda Civic - Prayoonto Racing
My apologies, it was inferred that since Loan was not driving the car, it was in development.
07-17-2012, 01:20 PM
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Norris drove the car that day and other days as well? didnt you post the video of him in the finals at honda day? he just drove the car at the Midwest nationals as well..
still in development?
like i said in the first thread you guys made up this scenario that Norris rushed to make that 9 sec pass as soon as the Bahrain guys went 10.00 but in reality Norris said he was gonna do it at WCF and didnt and then said on facebook the next day after WCF that in 2 weeks he was coming back to MIR to try again. Didnt he make a thread on here called journey to the 9's well before that as well?
he must have seen the future and knew the bahrain guys were going to hit 10.00 a few days before that track day.
07-17-2012, 01:43 PM
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Signal, why is that you and Nikos only focus on one person and one car and debunking it?
I mean what your basically saying is that Speed Factory's recent 8.33 and 190mph trap don't count then right? As well as Tony's 8.38? Because those were done at test and tunes as well. And NUMEROUS others?
I mean what your basically saying is that Speed Factory's recent 8.33 and 190mph trap don't count then right? As well as Tony's 8.38? Because those were done at test and tunes as well. And NUMEROUS others?
07-17-2012, 01:52 PM
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Ok I think this is turning downwards.
I see it like this the guy got into the 9's was it at at at test and tune. Where there were no outsiders to check to make sure everything was legit? NO!!! Was this at an event? NO!!!! Thats what I think it should matter period. He could go 8's for all I care but if there is no outside tech inspection to make sure everything is within the rules its just another pass maybe fast but its really just another pass. If he is able to achieve it at an event and back it up then let the big giant jump for joy begin for him. Otherwise let it be for now. If he isnt able to achieve 9's this year oh well. I am pretty sure there will be alot of top racers extremely close to possibly getting it this year.
So for now Signal I understand your intentions on what your stating with the comments but leave it be. Dont let it look like its becoming personal.
Ok back on topic or this is getting LOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see it like this the guy got into the 9's was it at at at test and tune. Where there were no outsiders to check to make sure everything was legit? NO!!! Was this at an event? NO!!!! Thats what I think it should matter period. He could go 8's for all I care but if there is no outside tech inspection to make sure everything is within the rules its just another pass maybe fast but its really just another pass. If he is able to achieve it at an event and back it up then let the big giant jump for joy begin for him. Otherwise let it be for now. If he isnt able to achieve 9's this year oh well. I am pretty sure there will be alot of top racers extremely close to possibly getting it this year.
So for now Signal I understand your intentions on what your stating with the comments but leave it be. Dont let it look like its becoming personal.
Ok back on topic or this is getting LOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07-17-2012, 02:03 PM
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http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=97842
Read it. Refresh your memory. Don't want to make yourself look like an *** here too.
Read it. Refresh your memory. Don't want to make yourself look like an *** here too.
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Signal, why is that you and Nikos only focus on one person and one car and debunking it?
I mean what your basically saying is that Speed Factory's recent 8.33 and 190mph trap don't count then right? As well as Tony's 8.38? Because those were done at test and tunes as well. And NUMEROUS others?
I mean what your basically saying is that Speed Factory's recent 8.33 and 190mph trap don't count then right? As well as Tony's 8.38? Because those were done at test and tunes as well. And NUMEROUS others?
The car cut 2/10ths. You wouldn't question that?
Why does everyone include Nikos and I in the same sentences?
There is an ocean that separates us lol. Just because I am a moderator on a site he use to own, does not mean we are some how the same person or have the same thoughts.
Speed Factory's recent run was awesome. The feat of taking a honda chassis to 190mph is amazing irregardless of when it was done. 9s on the other hand have been done multiple times in different classes, we all know a honda can run a quick time, but that MPH is something else. That is ***** right there. What drag racing is all about, the raw ***** of it.
Craze, you can lock it up, I don't really have anything else to say. 247 likes to plow threads into left field. I think he gets confused with the facebook denizen chatter and what is actually being discussed in the threads he is posting in.
07-17-2012, 02:32 PM
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Now, that is good and bad (modifying the rules), but no one can honestly state that all of a sudden I am the only guy questioning Norris.
The fact that I have to defend myself for asking questions is bothersome. The sport should encourage it if they expect people to stay interested. Otherwise they might as well be out there drifting, and just putting on a show for marketers/promoters.
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Signal..y was this now resurrected after this happened almost a year ago..im really curious to know..Really i thought someone commented on a old *** post...Seems like theres alot of hate coming from your side in threthread..in reality you should congratulate him for going out to another event to make this happen..I mean hell if you think you can do a better job and go set record..
07-18-2012, 03:29 AM
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Signal..y was this now resurrected after this happened almost a year ago..im really curious to know..Really i thought someone commented on a old *** post...Seems like theres alot of hate coming from your side in threthread..in reality you should congratulate him for going out to another event to make this happen..I mean hell if you think you can do a better job and go set record..
There isn't hate coming from me, please stop reading my posts as such.
Where did I say I can do a better job? Please, read my posts in a neutral point of view of someone with no vested interest at all, that is merely observing.
07-18-2012, 04:08 AM
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Signal..y was this now resurrected after this happened almost a year ago..im really curious to know..Really i thought someone commented on a old *** post...Seems like theres alot of hate coming from your side in threthread..in reality you should congratulate him for going out to another event to make this happen..I mean hell if you think you can do a better job and go set record..
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Lol really, says you only. I have done a lot for this sport.
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