For those who have broken oil pump gears
12-06-2006, 09:21 PM
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Re: (speeddave)
although, i drove mine to the end, drove down the return road and shut it off at the timing tower 
. checked the bearings, they were fine, but i got lucky
. checked the bearings, they were fine, but i got lucky
12-09-2006, 11:40 AM
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Re: (Garage 808 Hatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Garage 808 Hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">neutral, shut it off and coast, get a tow
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dont get no better then that
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dont get no better then that
12-09-2006, 01:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">seems like everyone with a ctr pulley broke gears. isnt that what the factory race cars ran? </TD></TR></TABLE>
180 whp N/A motors though. When a F/I engine detonates with triple the cylinder pressure i'm sure it will produce more shock to the oil pump gear than a N/A engine.
180 whp N/A motors though. When a F/I engine detonates with triple the cylinder pressure i'm sure it will produce more shock to the oil pump gear than a N/A engine.
12-12-2006, 08:14 AM
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Re: (nsxmatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxmatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
180 whp N/A motors though. When a F/I engine detonates with triple the cylinder pressure i'm sure it will produce more shock to the oil pump gear than a N/A engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
F1 can shock the oil pump as much as they want, thats why they run Dry Sump oil systems.
180 whp N/A motors though. When a F/I engine detonates with triple the cylinder pressure i'm sure it will produce more shock to the oil pump gear than a N/A engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
F1 can shock the oil pump as much as they want, thats why they run Dry Sump oil systems.
12-12-2006, 08:38 AM
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Re: For those who have broken oil pump gears (TurbodCX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurbodCX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the crank alighment is what causes this issue.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This is exactly why most people have pump failures. In addition to the machining, improper installation can promote oil pump failure. People that have problems, usually continue to have problems.
This is exactly why most people have pump failures. In addition to the machining, improper installation can promote oil pump failure. People that have problems, usually continue to have problems.
12-12-2006, 08:55 AM
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Re: For those who have broken oil pump gears (4piston)
A lot of people over look the pressure plate. Too much pressure will sometimes cause the crank to push forward and as well as a harsh engagement.
the people that are usually running on a C/C disc will more then likely be better off
do to the small amount of slippage that occurs unlike the cerametallic.
Look at everyone that has the Extreme pressure plates.
I have a gear break while only driving at 3k rpm taking off from a light....
too much wear and tear..(100+ dyno pulls) over the years.
the people that are usually running on a C/C disc will more then likely be better off
do to the small amount of slippage that occurs unlike the cerametallic.
Look at everyone that has the Extreme pressure plates.
I have a gear break while only driving at 3k rpm taking off from a light....
too much wear and tear..(100+ dyno pulls) over the years.
12-12-2006, 09:38 PM
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Re: For those who have broken oil pump gears (regamaster)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by regamaster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A lot of people over look the pressure plate. Too much pressure will sometimes cause the crank to push forward and as well as a harsh engagement.
the people that are usually running on a C/C disc will more then likely be better off
do to the small amount of slippage that occurs unlike the cerametallic.
Look at everyone that has the Extreme pressure plates.
I have a gear break while only driving at 3k rpm taking off from a light....
too much wear and tear..(100+ dyno pulls) over the years. </TD></TR></TABLE>
a helpful product for this is the tilton flow control valve, i talked to tilton monday because i heard that this valve should not be used with a cerametallic, but they recommend to use it with any type of their clutches. i doubt tilton would just say something to sell a product.
the people that are usually running on a C/C disc will more then likely be better off
do to the small amount of slippage that occurs unlike the cerametallic.
Look at everyone that has the Extreme pressure plates.
I have a gear break while only driving at 3k rpm taking off from a light....
too much wear and tear..(100+ dyno pulls) over the years. </TD></TR></TABLE>
a helpful product for this is the tilton flow control valve, i talked to tilton monday because i heard that this valve should not be used with a cerametallic, but they recommend to use it with any type of their clutches. i doubt tilton would just say something to sell a product.
12-13-2006, 12:40 AM
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Re: For those who have broken oil pump gears (Jared)
i think it should be noted also that the ITR oil pump is the same as the OBDII GSR oil pump(which is probably the same as the 94-95 GSR pump,just with the CF sensor mount).
people seem to look at this like an upgrade(i'm assuming since the ITR has a higher stock rev limiter?),but it's the same thing.
since the theory that which oil was used may have be a factor,why not include that in the list too?
chris
people seem to look at this like an upgrade(i'm assuming since the ITR has a higher stock rev limiter?),but it's the same thing.
since the theory that which oil was used may have be a factor,why not include that in the list too?
chris
12-13-2006, 10:06 AM
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Re: (speeddave)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamNextGenChris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think it should be noted also that the ITR oil pump is the same as the OBDII GSR oil pump(which is probably the same as the 94-95 GSR pump,just with the CF sensor mount).
people seem to look at this like an upgrade(i'm assuming since the ITR has a higher stock rev limiter?),but it's the same thing.
since the theory that which oil was used may have be a factor,why not include that in the list too?
chris</TD></TR></TABLE>
OBD 2 oil pumps run higher pressure than OBD 1 without shimming.
people seem to look at this like an upgrade(i'm assuming since the ITR has a higher stock rev limiter?),but it's the same thing.
since the theory that which oil was used may have be a factor,why not include that in the list too?
chris</TD></TR></TABLE>
OBD 2 oil pumps run higher pressure than OBD 1 without shimming.
12-13-2006, 10:51 AM
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Re: (PHDZINE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHDZINE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
OBD 2 oil pumps run higher pressure than OBD 1 without shimming.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Proven fact? Interesting.
We should be discussing WHY the CTR pulleys break gears now... there is obviously a huge problem with them. Is it the size? The lack of dampening?
OBD 2 oil pumps run higher pressure than OBD 1 without shimming.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Proven fact? Interesting.
We should be discussing WHY the CTR pulleys break gears now... there is obviously a huge problem with them. Is it the size? The lack of dampening?
12-13-2006, 02:07 PM
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Proven fact? Interesting.
We should be discussing WHY the CTR pulleys break gears now... there is obviously a huge problem with them. Is it the size? The lack of dampening?</TD></TR></TABLE>
everything ive seen points to the lack of the rubber damper connection.
Chris
Proven fact? Interesting.
We should be discussing WHY the CTR pulleys break gears now... there is obviously a huge problem with them. Is it the size? The lack of dampening?</TD></TR></TABLE>
everything ive seen points to the lack of the rubber damper connection.
Chris
12-13-2006, 09:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridKOOP »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Proven fact? Interesting.
We should be discussing WHY the CTR pulleys break gears now... there is obviously a huge problem with them. Is it the size? The lack of dampening?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is no dampening in the CTR pulley...a little weird because Honda built it without the dampening function but there are people breaking oil pump gears with ATI's and Fluiddampers.
We should be discussing WHY the CTR pulleys break gears now... there is obviously a huge problem with them. Is it the size? The lack of dampening?</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is no dampening in the CTR pulley...a little weird because Honda built it without the dampening function but there are people breaking oil pump gears with ATI's and Fluiddampers.
12-17-2006, 05:23 PM
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also should be noted when they broke the pump
ex: at track with slicks,,,dyno,,,,,,,just driving
from what i see alot of times they break when at the track dry launching the car on slicks
ex: at track with slicks,,,dyno,,,,,,,just driving
from what i see alot of times they break when at the track dry launching the car on slicks
12-18-2006, 07:49 PM
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I have a source that can make me a Honda Gear out of the same material that they use in the Race Ecotec GM motors in the hot rod cars. They had issues breaking them switched to those gears and none since. PM for more info.
12-18-2006, 11:21 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by E Town DSM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a source that can make me a Honda Gear out of the same material that they use in the Race Ecotec GM motors in the hot rod cars. They had issues breaking them switched to those gears and none since. PM for more info.</TD></TR></TABLE>
they already exsist
they already exsist
12-19-2006, 03:04 AM
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Re: (E Town DSM)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by E Town DSM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a source that can make me a Honda Gear out of the same material that they use in the Race Ecotec GM motors in the hot rod cars. They had issues breaking them switched to those gears and none since. PM for more info.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Any feedback from someone that's used them??
Any feedback from someone that's used them??
12-19-2006, 03:05 AM
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Re: (miller)
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they already exsist </TD></TR></TABLE>
Including choice of material....
they already exsist
</TD></TR></TABLE>Including choice of material....
12-19-2006, 09:36 AM
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Re: (miller)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by miller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
they already exsist </TD></TR></TABLE>
any info?
they already exsist
</TD></TR></TABLE>any info?
12-19-2006, 10:24 AM
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Re: (Jared)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any info?</TD></TR></TABLE>
they are currently being tested and are showing great results so far.
they are currently being tested and are showing great results so far.
12-19-2006, 10:49 AM
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How are they being tested to where you know if they're actually better than stock or not. My stock one is showing great results so far this year as well.
12-19-2006, 11:07 AM
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We have had good success with stock units also in the past, this is something that is being tested in a car right now that actually broke a pump once before out of the blue. The engine was running great for a long time with the stock unit and then just gave up on a 3-4 shift on a highway pull (roughly 15k miles of abuse). The engine didnt really get hurt to badly due to the driver happened to see the warning light go on and shut it off. I will say this though, this engine see's alot of abuse from the owner/driver on a daily basis. The engine has been running for a while now with this pump and occasionaly i will pull the pump and measure the gear and clearances and give it a visual inspection, sometime with in the next couple months i will have the gear sent back to who made it and they will do all their stress analysis on the piece.
This pump was originaly placed on a mild street build gsr engine for 5k miles to ensure that it would work to begn with, then we took the plunge and put it on this car and havent had any issues as of yet.
Do i know if this is going to work and solve any potential oil pump problems in the future? no, but im willing to try it out in hopes that maybe it will eventually lead us on the path to an indestructable oil pump.
we have been using and abusing this pump for over 9 months now.
This pump was originaly placed on a mild street build gsr engine for 5k miles to ensure that it would work to begn with, then we took the plunge and put it on this car and havent had any issues as of yet.
Do i know if this is going to work and solve any potential oil pump problems in the future? no, but im willing to try it out in hopes that maybe it will eventually lead us on the path to an indestructable oil pump.
we have been using and abusing this pump for over 9 months now.
