itsukivr6

600whp runs 9's....

I mean, look at what Mapps did at the last event of the year at E-Town, 93 pump gas, not e85, not race gas, drove 2hours from Connecticut ran 10.31 @ 133 at 2400lbs and drove home.

I just don't understand why people insist on 62mm or entry level, or splitting classes to make things "more affordable"

If you want great racing a level playing field, show you are actually a driver, consistent, and can cut lights. Then you should be racing 10.50 and 11.50 index, and guess what you'd be surprised what happens when you are at every race competing in 10.50 or 11.50index and winning or consistently going deep into rounds. People notice, potential sponsors, potential car owners who need a driver.

The reason true street works at wcf is because you have all the domestic cars.

It won't work at ogs (imo) because yes they are always full fields but usually 20ish cars, that doesn't make enough for 2 16 car fields, and making a true street class isn't going to bring out another 12 cars in a "slower class" when "true street cars" already are competetive in sport fwd with the weight breaks. CCC / Eladio have ran 8.9's in ogs sport FWD which is plenty competitive.

Again personally i just don't understand why people want to club baby seals, and run a "slower" class and beat up on "spirit of the class" cars with there purpose built to the rules cars.

Sadly i don't think people will ever open there eyes to understand that consistency wins sport fwd / true street races. in the last 3 years, I can go back and actually get hard facts but i'd say less then 30% of the time #1 qualifier wins the event. I'd say that same 30% has been won by someone who qualified more more then .3 off the pace.

I mean Everley pretty much swept the entire season going no quicker the 9.3 with a 9.2 here any there. While the top qualifiers where runnings 8's.

nonvtecallmotor

Tim in 2011 I entered 8 races. I won 5 and got runner up at the Outlaw shootout (Fall Nats). The ONLY car that beat me that year was Speed Factory. The other 2 races (MIR) the car didn't run 100% in qualifying so I loaded it up. I went the best of a 9.14@160..

2012-13 I won a couple more.. I've raced some of the fastest cars in the sport to get there. The way I see it, you cant win if you don't race.

BoostR41

Index racing is an unorganized mess. Car counts continue to fall and will continue till actual street cars have a class to race. Power street had 30+ cars at Mir and Norwalk for years with actual street cars filling the class

itsukivr6

Uh what ?
I've never seen any unorganization in index racing, they are all run fields which is great for the "slower cars" every one gets to race atleast 1 round, then when you get down to 16 cars they get laddered and low r/t has lane choice, not really sure how you figure it's unorganized. Unless your talking bout WCF, in which case you can't control mother nature and oil downs. Every single class that weekend was "unorganized" if that is what you are refering to.

Car Counts for all classes have continued to grow over the last 3 years with the exception of all motor. The Index are growing more and more every race, 11.50 Index at Honda Day had 78 cars or something close, regularly having 40 cars.

10.50index is steadily increasing also over 20 cars at just bout every race and off the top of my head pretty sure was in the 40's at one of the e-town events.

Secondly Power Street was a flop, its why Nopi got rid of the class. Everyone on the internet talked bout how they wanted a street car class on street tires but no one showed up, the shocking revelation of the interwebs. I agree on paper it was a nice class, but people didn't show up to race it.
Also if you kept the same rules from Power Street when it was in Nopi the top cars would be safely into the 9 second zone. I mean Jim Hucks was going 10.7-10.8 back then

Lastly, i'm honestly curious what Nopi Power Street events had 30+ cars, would love to see the qualifiying sheet / results to see the times.

I also have a few questions for you.
1. What times should this "actual street car" class run?
2. What would be your rules for this class ?
3. Can you name me a minimum 16 racers/cars who fit your class rules and times, that will commit to racing the events ?

crazes

Ultimately it comes down to what is happening at the actual track. at the tracks SFWD and true street are together which is getting full fields with weight breaks to the TS guys. The other classes are growing per year. Its pretty much if the numbers are showing it then it will happen. Which is why the first 2 outlaw events worked. Now the numbers have gone down. Most are SFWD/TS which are actually running almost as fast or faster than some of the those outlaw cars did because of innovation. Either way just work on whats in place now and let the numbers continue to grow as they have been.

fmfkid250

I think what he is trying to get at is he wants an 11.00 class like power street. I do agree this would be no where near an 11.00 class. Its the ugly truth these guys are so motivated to go faster and win. Unless your willing to do the same it makes it hard to compete. 2004-2007 was a different time. Power Street Rules did not stay consistent from year to year. Causing no one to catch up and blow out the class.

ninesecrx

Can we go back to the 90s and just do a run what you brung? Limit only weight and must be fwd unibody. With out NHRA I don't see big corp sponsored teams coming in and taking over. Someone will always have more money then the other guy, that's always been the name of the game but does not always mean its a faster car.

sleepinonacreeper

Index is the way to race if you feel you can't compete or don't fit in the already existing heads up classes. It basically has no rules except for the break out so everyone fits. There's really no need to organize or ladder an all run field. I'll "qualify" last or first and take whoever I line up with any day. It's fun. Sure the heads up classes are extremely fast... they're supposed to be. It's a lot of work, money, and dedication to run any heads up class anywhere. Racers will always push to the farthest end of the rules possible to be up top in their field. If there is a 10.0 or 10.5 index to race in, what's the need for another class before the next current heads up class?

MR.johnson

i would love to see an actual 62mm street class.

sleepinonacreeper

Oh me too but fast 62 guys will run what slower 67 cars do. Everyone will cry.

ekcoupeh22

iTrader: (2)

what about a 9.50 index? see alot of guys running mid 9's in the 10.50 index during quals

neonkid

i was thinking that to but once the sport gets bigger and sfwd gets alot faster i can bet theyll bring a 9.50 class in.

13173

Why not put together a class where you have to drive the car to the track, it has to be registered, and you race on street tires that you drove to the track on? Pump gas or E85 is what you can run.

A class where all the power that these cars have potential of making on a 62mm or 67mm do not really mean they will win. For whatever reason, that sounds fun to me and takes it back to the grassroots of FWD racing a little, at least to me it does. More of a "run what you brung" to the track and just have fun.

I understand people wanting to see the full potential of their cars and running slicks and what not. I do not blame people for wanting to do that at all, but in my mind a real street car class sounds fun. It seems that it could bring more cars out to compete. Maybe I am wrong and maybe my whole idea is just dumb, but it's a thought.

And I agree with what others have said about an Outlaw class. It seems there are very few interested in that right now. Personally I would rather watch 24.5" tire cars run and see how far that can go, but then again, the only race I really attend is the WCF's where I get to see more of the fast FWD cars. Screw it, everyone part out their FWD cars and jump on the LSx bandwagon. Swap it into whatever you want and beat whatever life your 200k mile junkyard find has left in it right out of it.

narfdanarf

Done...:-P

SPOOLINmatt

im surprised no one has screamed for a smaller tire class like 24.5 x 8" max haha. or even 23"

DKPR87

Whoa Whoa Whoa... let's not get too crazy here LOL

IMHO the Outlaw Class demonstrates what these car's can do when not given limits. When it comes to competitive classes, it'll be really difficult to warrant the creation of new classes due to some classes having difficulty filling them.

Mind you i'm all for a 62mm SFWD Class, i think that would be pretty sweet.

a DOT class like what they had in the NOPI/BOTI days would be pretty cool, i think that's the idea behind the Street Eliminator Class in DragMania. Mid to Low 10 Second and some 9 second All Motor Cars against some 62mm Boosted cars on DOTs, and even though it might seem a bit slanted, with todays technology in BBG, TC, and DOT Tires, it's not to crazy to think it'd be a competitive field.

Just my 2 cents

nonvtecallmotor

I went 9.2@171 on a 24.5X8.5... I noticed no difference.

I tuned a car this year that went 10.2@148 only on 25psi (I couldn't turn it up anymore because it was out of fuel)on a 5858 stock sleeves (zero block modifications,no concrete, no block guard or support) , stock axles, stock trans, on C16 and he drives it all over the place... True street isn't that far off for the car (except WCF).


Everyone wants to run in a class but no one wants put in all the hard work it takes to run in the existing classes that we have. Every year its the same ****. STFU and show up to support what we have NOW..

BADGUYNY

iTrader: (1)

Exactly my thoughts

SPOOLINmatt

That's it, I'm demanding a t25 only class!

SPOOLINmatt

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sleepinonacreeper

hahaha 23" class, I'm in!

crazes

And were done. Enough