Rear wing found on outlaw cars question
12-10-2011, 11:59 AM
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Re: Rear wing found on outlaw cars question
12-10-2011, 01:43 PM
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The hate is strong in you. I have to give you credit. It is not easy to hate on every thread lol
12-10-2011, 03:29 PM
#78
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I'm not that much of a hater. I recognize quality stuff when I see it. There are a few in this thread that look good to me. Not that it means anything to anyone....
The one Dave made for Jake looks functional for stability.
The one Dave made for Jake looks functional for stability.
12-10-2011, 09:55 PM
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Re: Rear wing found on outlaw cars question
How many guys have a car that runs a consistent 150+mph trapspeed and has tried swapping at the track and seen a trapspeed change?
On a hatchback, tested oem vs duckbill vs Outlaw type?
On a coupe, tested no spoiler vs Outlaw type?
What are YOU trying to achieve with one? Less drag? More stability under acceleration? Stability under braking?
Aesthetics is definitely a personal thing with these and I suspect alot of guys are doing this because it "looks cool".
That would be ours. Have you ever felt it? It is made of very heavy gauge alumimum and does not need any more supports as it is not flexible at all. We wanted to reduce drag & retain functionality of the hatch with the design and not have to use multiple struts to support it.
I have seen on car GoPro footage of some thinner gauge wings out there that were flexing and flopping all over at speed. I have footage of ours during a pass and it doesn't flex. The number and placement of struts should be determined by the designer based on mounting style, materials used, and what forces the wing will see by design.
That being said, I'm not trying to sell anyone here on ours at all. Please don't call us asking to buy one.
We originally had a CF duckbill on the car, and as soon as we put the aluminum wing on it the car started locking up the rears under braking. I plan on doing something different with the rear wing for the 2012 season. With the extreme F/R weight bias in these cars keeping the rear planted and stable when pulling the chute and under heavy braking is a concern that I want to address for the high mph turbo cars. With the all motor cars that isn't a concern.
On a hatchback, tested oem vs duckbill vs Outlaw type?
On a coupe, tested no spoiler vs Outlaw type?
What are YOU trying to achieve with one? Less drag? More stability under acceleration? Stability under braking?
Aesthetics is definitely a personal thing with these and I suspect alot of guys are doing this because it "looks cool".
I have seen on car GoPro footage of some thinner gauge wings out there that were flexing and flopping all over at speed. I have footage of ours during a pass and it doesn't flex. The number and placement of struts should be determined by the designer based on mounting style, materials used, and what forces the wing will see by design.
That being said, I'm not trying to sell anyone here on ours at all. Please don't call us asking to buy one.
We originally had a CF duckbill on the car, and as soon as we put the aluminum wing on it the car started locking up the rears under braking. I plan on doing something different with the rear wing for the 2012 season. With the extreme F/R weight bias in these cars keeping the rear planted and stable when pulling the chute and under heavy braking is a concern that I want to address for the high mph turbo cars. With the all motor cars that isn't a concern.
12-10-2011, 11:07 PM
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Re: Rear wing found on outlaw cars question
How many guys have a car that runs a consistent 150+mph trapspeed and has tried swapping at the track and seen a trapspeed change?
On a hatchback, tested oem vs duckbill vs Outlaw type?
On a coupe, tested no spoiler vs Outlaw type?
What are YOU trying to achieve with one? Less drag? More stability under acceleration? Stability under braking?
Aesthetics is definitely a personal thing with these and I suspect alot of guys are doing this because it "looks cool".
That would be ours. Have you ever felt it? It is made of very heavy gauge alumimum and does not need any more supports as it is not flexible at all. We wanted to reduce drag & retain functionality of the hatch with the design and not have to use multiple struts to support it.
I have seen on car GoPro footage of some thinner gauge wings out there that were flexing and flopping all over at speed. I have footage of ours during a pass and it doesn't flex. The number and placement of struts should be determined by the designer based on mounting style, materials used, and what forces the wing will see by design.
That being said, I'm not trying to sell anyone here on ours at all. Please don't call us asking to buy one.
We originally had a CF duckbill on the car, and as soon as we put the aluminum wing on it the car started locking up the rears under braking. I plan on doing something different with the rear wing for the 2012 season. With the extreme F/R weight bias in these cars keeping the rear planted and stable when pulling the chute and under heavy braking is a concern that I want to address for the high mph turbo cars. With the all motor cars that isn't a concern.
On a hatchback, tested oem vs duckbill vs Outlaw type?
On a coupe, tested no spoiler vs Outlaw type?
What are YOU trying to achieve with one? Less drag? More stability under acceleration? Stability under braking?
Aesthetics is definitely a personal thing with these and I suspect alot of guys are doing this because it "looks cool".
That would be ours. Have you ever felt it? It is made of very heavy gauge alumimum and does not need any more supports as it is not flexible at all. We wanted to reduce drag & retain functionality of the hatch with the design and not have to use multiple struts to support it.
I have seen on car GoPro footage of some thinner gauge wings out there that were flexing and flopping all over at speed. I have footage of ours during a pass and it doesn't flex. The number and placement of struts should be determined by the designer based on mounting style, materials used, and what forces the wing will see by design.
That being said, I'm not trying to sell anyone here on ours at all. Please don't call us asking to buy one.
We originally had a CF duckbill on the car, and as soon as we put the aluminum wing on it the car started locking up the rears under braking. I plan on doing something different with the rear wing for the 2012 season. With the extreme F/R weight bias in these cars keeping the rear planted and stable when pulling the chute and under heavy braking is a concern that I want to address for the high mph turbo cars. With the all motor cars that isn't a concern.
12-11-2011, 08:23 AM
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Re: Rear wing found on outlaw cars question
Anyone tried the old taping yarn to the car and videoing it to see how the yarn moves around under speed with one of these wings? If anyone knows what I am talking about...
12-11-2011, 08:49 AM
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12-11-2011, 08:52 AM
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Chuck's wing on his HR car was always nice, sort of a barn door style to help keep air from swirling off the side and a nice rigid design and I believe he had some wickers up there?
(I lied, but see pic for reference and for arguments sake lol)
12-11-2011, 09:18 AM
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The purpose of a wing is to decrease flow separation from happening on or near the vehicle and pushing it behind the car. It increases stability, reduces turbulence, and decreases drag.
Or you can have it just for the cool factor. lol
12-11-2011, 09:39 AM
#87
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Down force on a car with a 73/37 balance is a good thing, but not on a car that's 55/45 (F/R).
The purpose of a wing is to decrease flow separation from happening on or near the vehicle and pushing it behind the car. It increases stability, reduces turbulence, and decreases drag.
Or you can have it just for the cool factor. lol
The purpose of a wing is to decrease flow separation from happening on or near the vehicle and pushing it behind the car. It increases stability, reduces turbulence, and decreases drag.
Or you can have it just for the cool factor. lol
What Outlaw cars can get 73%..
I know what the GM ProFWD cars are and they still dont have a wicker...
12-11-2011, 02:34 PM
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12-15-2011, 09:46 AM
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12-18-2011, 07:20 PM
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12-20-2011, 04:10 AM
#92
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These are really easy to find and here is a good tip on finding these.
Don't think honda and think on where they originated from.
Trust me, they aren't more than $300 complete . Just some tweaking needed
Don't think honda and think on where they originated from.
Trust me, they aren't more than $300 complete . Just some tweaking needed
12-20-2011, 08:23 AM
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RJ racecars charges 450 for an aluminum wing kit, with adjustable strut rods.
RJ also makes a carbon molded spoiler. its 450, not including a mount kit.
im not talking about some cheap *** lookin wing like sw racecars makes for 69 camaro's..
check urself !
12-20-2011, 02:18 PM
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12-20-2011, 02:25 PM
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12-20-2011, 03:41 PM
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More like, why would you pay 300 for some sheet aluminum with a couple of creases and adustable rods/struts?
12-20-2011, 03:45 PM
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Thats like saying 4x114 Weld racing wheels didnt belong on Hondas in the early 90s, when people didnt have an option for 4x100. "Thats like saying, I can get these wheels/slicks for a Mustang, but it needs some tweaking to fit my Honda"... People do what they gotta do, to make **** work, and go fast.
12-20-2011, 05:04 PM
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12-20-2011, 05:05 PM
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And in all reality, many spoilers are a "universal fit", where as bumpers are not. So you can really use that as a comparison.
Thats like saying 4x114 Weld racing wheels didnt belong on Hondas in the early 90s, when people didnt have an option for 4x100. "Thats like saying, I can get these wheels/slicks for a Mustang, but it needs some tweaking to fit my Honda"... People do what they gotta do, to make **** work, and go fast.
Thats like saying 4x114 Weld racing wheels didnt belong on Hondas in the early 90s, when people didnt have an option for 4x100. "Thats like saying, I can get these wheels/slicks for a Mustang, but it needs some tweaking to fit my Honda"... People do what they gotta do, to make **** work, and go fast.
Get the **** outa here with that bullshit